What are your favorite EXTREME accessories?

max

Out to lunch
I'll just paste the post I made in another thread the other day. I think the PD is as efficient as they come because of the physical design of the vape and the way most of us tend to take hits.

The PD is more efficient than any regular sized whip unit because there's very little condensation loss. As vapor travels through 2-3' feet of glass and tubing, with cooler surfaces, you're going to get condensation. Even the Vapolution, using just the all glass, 8" AIW bowl and no tubing, collects much more condensation in the bowl than the shorter, poypropylene and steel PD vapor tube.

The other, and probably more important factor for efficiency, is the tendency to take the bigger hits that larger vapes can supply. I've been using both the SSV and PD for some time now-the Surfer for a year, and the PD since last May. Although I can and do sometimes take bigger PD hits than I can efficiently process, I consistently waste vapor with the SSV, because I enjoy the big hits. Certainly you can load less and/or take small hits from any vape, but if you like beer it's kinda hard to make yourself take tiny sips as if it were wine or straight liquor.

Now if anyone wants to argue that the THC via vapor is absorbed as quickly as it is with smoke, feel free. But my opinion is based on the info from the University of Leiden that 30-40% of the THC in vapor is lost with a quick exhale. It makes sense to me and that's the approach I use with vaporizing. So on the basis of very low condensation loss, and smaller than average hits due to the small bowl, I can't think of another popular vape that can compete with the PD for efficiency. Now if you want to consider higher vaping temps in the efficiency dept., then any vape with a temp control has the edge.
I think you can look at efficiency in different ways. There's the human factor, as far as taking bigger hits than you can efficiently process. Getting the most vapor per draw is one way. Getting all the herb in the bowl vaped is another. Condensation loss is another, and that one mostly depends on the vape design, although you can shorten tubing (if that's a part of the particular model), keep glass and tubing cleaner, etc.

From my experience with the V-Tower, the Cyclone bowl design works against efficiency as far as getting all the herb exposed to the vapor path. I'd hit it and the herb would move around in the bowl. How much it moved depended on how much was loaded, how finely ground, how dry, and how hard I hit it. At worst, the particles would fly around and maybe avoid the hottest part of the vapor path-at least part of the time they were in the outer, cooler part of the bowl. If I raised the temp to compensate, it didn't really help, since higher temps roast the herb faster, thus inefficiency occurs. The answer is to just keep hitting it until all the herb particles are fully exposed to the hot vapor path. You have to do the same with the SSV. Although the herb stays put in that bowl, the vapor path is narrow, requiring stirring of the bowl to get it all exposed. So although both vapes are inefficient to some extent as far as requiring multiple hits, what if you either narrowed the bowl or widened the vapor path so that all the herb got vaporized in one or two hits? If there was a large amount in the bowl, you'd get a ton of vapor per hit, then inefficiency would kick in on the human side-you'd get more vapor than you could hold and process. You'd have to load less in the bowl or take smaller hits.

I've thought about some kind of bowl add-on (or add-in) for the Surfer bowl, to keep more of the herb in the vapor path. Seems like narrowing the bowl is the best answer for fewer hits per bowl on any vape, but if you don't compensate by loading less and/or taking smaller hits, it can be counter productive. That's where the PD shines-narrow vapor path but it covers the whole bowl, and a small amount for easier processing (the human factor).

If I were going to change the Extreme bowl setup for better efficiency as far as number of hits required, I'd narrow the bowl to keep more of the herb in the hot air. I'd do the same with the SSV or any other full size whip vape. You'd still have to adjust for smaller load and/or smaller hit, but that would be my choice. And some method of keeping the herb from flying up to the elbow connector would be nice too.
 
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peerka

Well-Known Member
Wow, I didn't expect such a fast materialization of the concept! Great work, Clear_Dome, and good insights, everybody else.
 
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max

Out to lunch
If the Extreme had a more efficient bowl I would definitely get it, as I cannot afford much material.
You know, aside from condensation, it is possible to get just as much THC, etc. from the Extreme as from the PD. It's just more difficult and less enjoyable. If I had to use my SSV with PD type efficiency as my prime concern, I probably wouldn't use it at all. It would be like driving a 6 speed sports car in nothing but a stop and go, traffic jam type environment. It's just not designed for that.
 
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mrshock486

Well-Known Member
I definitely see what you're saying Max. It is definitely more of a pain
to make if efficient when you're just trying to kick back and relax. It takes quite a bit of discipline and concentration(at least for me). smaller/modified bowls would make it quite a bit easier

Nice job CD. They look great! You've been really busy at it eh?
keep updating us on your tests!
 
mrshock486,

Progress

'Socratic Existentialist, MD'
CD - As you can see I had try many thing , first I load it with a small amount of herb and try it with the bong , not that bad but nothing impresive
CD, that little E bowl looks cool :tup: . It may work better if the bowl bulges out a little and then gets skinny again at the top (same as the bottom if possible--may need to use a screen or tight ice dimples/glass screen). Also (just in case you didn't do it already), make sure to let the bowl warm until HOT. Just my :2c: (good luck & have fun playing around :D ).

PS: CD, have you tried to use small glass beads instead of a bed of herbs for large/long oil sessions ;) ?

edit: H, I hope this fits into what you were looking for in this thread (if not feel free to ask the mods to delete the edit from this post)... http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=13957#p13957
 
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peerka

Well-Known Member
One of Progress's posts is where I saw the idea for the PD sized bowl insert. Progress, have you actually seen or made one of these?
 
peerka,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
peerka...don't sweat it. We're on to something better in the Extreme thread...check it out.
 
stickstones,

Progress

'Socratic Existentialist, MD'
P - One of Progress's posts is where I saw the idea for the PD sized bowl insert. Progress, have you actually seen or made one of these?
I have actually used the stack-of-washers-like insert (like I describe in the CD glass thread-- http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=13957#p13957 ) before (best with tiny beads and oils). I have never used a functioning tiny cyclone (tried one but draw was tight and vapor was whispy). Additionally Steve's idea and the subsequently-suggested-and-posted adaptations of it (http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=17911#p17911) are (IMO) actually much easier to set-up and works just as well (with the exception of the oil/glass-'washer'/tiny-bead combo).
 
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Evil1

Well-Known Member
High All
This is my first post here.
I have just returned from Amsterdam ;) I tried the cano and a couple of other vaps.
I have decided to purchase the Extreme.
Can someone please recommend a shop to buy a water bong and ice container (Im not sure of the correct terminology). Recommendation of specific model bong would be appreciated.
Also - while Im shopping are there any other accessories I should consider ?
Is it worth getting a diffuser ? Ive read conflicting posts here.
Cheers !
 
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RiSC

Well-Known Member
Anyone have any thoughts on This
clearbubmp.jpg

looks cheesy to me, but for 50 bucks , you get what you pay for.
 
RiSC,

bluntfaced

I'm El Diablo Baby!!!
Just get a straight tube, simple bong with a solid base an ice pinch and an 18.8 gong piece.
 
bluntfaced,

IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
I would love to have a smaller available cyclone bowl, that has a modified screen above it. I would also simply like an elbow that i could pack that could hang down lower. Maybe a cool looking cyclone too... Oh i want it all!!

Is there ANY websites selling custom extreme parts?
 
IAmKrazy2,

illadelph

vaked fresh daily
i like the look of that bubbler mouthpiece. i have been looking for something of that style for while now.
 
illadelph,

illadelph

vaked fresh daily
i would be wary because im pretty sure these are made for the SSV which has a larger diameter tubing.
 
illadelph,

cookie

Well-Known Member
Well damn. I think you might be right. I wish someone had bubbs and shit for the E I really want some accesories.
 
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