What are some of the most open pull, smoothest vaper choices without needing a torch, & likely won't burn you by accident

[2tiki]

I have been vaping for a few decades, but still haven't tried many of the vapes out there.
I am looking to get something new during the upcoming black Friday/cyber Monday deals. I would prefer a portable one, but already have something good enough for out of the house. I just don't have a lot of desk space so a desktop that is pretty small and low profile (to not block my monitor) could work.

I have a handful of health issues that make some aspects of what I'm looking for 100% necessary due to added safety concerns, and some that are more of a preference.

The required aspects:
Very easy to breath in, and not harsh on the throat and lungs.
I can not use a torch (but am open to getting the Ispire wand or something else non-flame based)
I can not have something hot enough that can burn me, sitting out. I will (and have in the past) badly burnt myself, and I have animals that get onto and into all things around the house. Otherwise I'd probably just buy a ball vape or the Elev8r kit with the coil and PID.
Not easily breakable if dropped or knocked over.

Preference, but not 100% required:
Easy to clean
Not huge in size
Inexpensive or free to maintain. (Not having to buy replacement parts, or at least not often and for not much $)


After months of research on this forum as well as around the net, the ones that looked like the closest fit for me were the following, but all have at least one thing that makes me not sure I should get them.

Elev8r kit with the coil and PID {Problem, very hot coil and glass while in use that I could burn myself on, and glass will likely get broken (based on my past experiences due to some of my health / muscle issues)

Ace with the wireless ball vape. {I like this idea in part because I can also use it for dabs, but I do already have a portable for dabs, so it's not needed. I like that the injector is wireless, but I can't have the heating coil on because I'll likely accidentally touch it, or one of the animals will touch it. I'm also worried about having something that hot on near my monitor, and have no space to put it anywhere else.}

If one of the dynavap style (dani, camuflet, etc) has open flow and good taste even close to that of a ball vape, I would be up for using it with IH and exclusively on a dry bong. {I'm nervous about how hot it is when in use, but if I keep it on the bong, I probably won't accidentally touch the hot part. Right?}

There are also a few halogen options that I've considered, including a DIY one. But of course there is the issue of a big breakable hot thing sitting on the bong all the time.

Maybe getting some sort of ball vape, or one of the other things I've mentioned could work if I can build a wooden "heat shield" to keep anyone from accidentally touching the hot part. I don't know.

The ZX ball vape looks great from a taste standpoint, but again there is the issue of desk space, and burning hot items sitting out.

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[Grass Yes]

How do you feel about log vapes? They tend to produce very smooth vapor, even in direct draw. The heater is typically contained in the log. And the newer ones can also hit pretty hard.

 

[2tiki]

How do you feel about log vapes? They tend to produce very smooth vapor, even in direct draw. The heater is typically contained in the log. And the newer ones can also hit pretty hard.

I have looked into some log style ones. I've been reluctant because I think they all take a while to heat up, and I don't like the idea of leaving it plugged in when not in use. Also, I wasn't sure if they have a very open flow of air when in use. Do any have a really easy pull on the air flow?
If they do, which logs would you recommend?
Also, are there any that heat up in less than 2 minutes? Or at least 5 min?

I forgot to mention that I have also thought about the TM2, but I don't know if that has very open air flow either.

 

[Grass Yes]

I have looked into some log style ones. I've been reluctant because I think they all take a while to heat up, and I don't like the idea of leaving it plugged in when not in use. Also, I wasn't sure if they have a very open flow of air when in use. Do any have a really easy pull on the air flow?

Most of mine have a nice easy open airflow. The woodscents is extremely restricted but the newer version might be more open, I haven't tried it.

If they do, which logs would you recommend?

My favorite log is my CouchLog. It's a really nice session sipper, but it can also do one-and-done bowls on glass.

For the classic logs, my favorite is the Heat Island. Easy to hit, smooth and flavorful. I recently got a GTR, also by Alan, but I am still getting to know it. I think is a winner though. The toasty top logs also have the advantage of being very reasonably priced. Probably the best deal in vaping, ime.

Also, are there any that heat up in less than 2 minutes? Or at least 5 min?

I typically let them heat up more than 20 minutes because I'm easy to distract. I don't leave them running all the time because I don't need that. I believe most are ready in 5-10 minutes, although those withore thermal mass (like the CouchLog) might need more time.

I forgot to mention that I have also thought about the TM2, but I don't know if that has very open air flow either.

I love my Tinymight and it's very smooth for me. Some stems can be restricted, but most are quite open. I don't love the stock stem and find the aftermarket ones preferable.

All of these are pure convection vapes of course so they require a bit of technique, but is suspect that would be familiar to you.

 

[mixchu69]

I have looked into some log style ones. I've been reluctant because I think they all take a while to heat up, and I don't like the idea of leaving it plugged in when not in use. Also, I wasn't sure if they have a very open flow of air when in use. Do any have a really easy pull on the air flow?
If they do, which logs would you recommend?
Also, are there any that heat up in less than 2 minutes? Or at least 5 min?

I forgot to mention that I have also thought about the TM2, but I don't know if that has very open air flow either.

TM2 has one of the most open air flows of all my vapes. Can hit u like a truck or you can temp step.

My most used vape is the ZX , but with your requirements, probably not the best option.

 

[2tiki]

I tend to fluctuate between 0.1g per bowl to some times (usually when I end up with stuff that isn't very strong), do up to a .25 per load. Does the couch log work well with those amounts?
Does it require stirring?

Have you used the TM2 on glass with the standard WPA? Was it pretty open that way? I'd probably mostly do it on a dry bong, or with a J-hook via a WPA. Though I think I'd prefer to find a WPA that doesn't have a built in glass screen to help with the air flow.

TM2 tastes good too, right? One thing about the TM2 that has kept me from getting it is that people always say it's hard hitting, and I don't know if they mean it like it hits the throat and lungs hard, and/or has very efficient extraction. I don't want to cough if possible, and my throat is very sensitive. @mixchu69 do you also find it smooth as well as open?

Even though it may take up too much desk space, do you think the ZX could be adapted without to much hassle to shield the heat better? From what I read, the taste, airflow, and extraction quality looks perfect.

I was also remembering that at some point I had read about people putting balls in a SilverSurfer or something like that, and I thought maybe that with a whip directly or connected to glass may work for me, but I think it may be too tall.

But ultimately, if I am reading this correctly, it sounds like the TM2 may be more than good enough for my needs.

 

[TigoleBitties]

I think the log idea is sound. I own a Couchlog myself. I think the logs @Grass Yes mentioned are good picks. I've also heard good things about the e-nano XL. Supposedly it can be ready in a couple of minutes.

There are halogen logs available as well that are excellent and the log style protects the bulb (MuSA, Vapor Halogen Wand...)

I was also remembering that at some point I had read about people putting balls in a SilverSurfer or something like that, and I thought maybe that with a whip directly or connected to glass may work for me, but I think it may be too tall.

Check out https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/da-buddha.172/post-1764405. I have the DBV mod as a desktop and it's great. I don't find it takes much space. Like a medium size PB jar?

 

[Grass Yes]

tend to fluctuate between 0.1g per bowl to some times (usually when I end up with stuff that isn't very strong), do up to a .25 per load. Does the couch log work well with those amounts?

That should be no problem.

Does it require stirring?

I never stir. I have a slow draw so that helps with an even extraction, but I have never seen good evidence that stirring actually improves extraction in pure convection vapes.

Have you used the TM2 on glass with the standard WPA? Was it pretty open that way? I'd probably mostly do it on a dry bong, or with a J-hook via a WPA. Though I think I'd prefer to find a WPA that doesn't have a built in glass screen to help with the air flow.

I dislike the 3-in-1 wpa with the glass screen. I would recommend getting one from JoDa glass or TRWW.

TM2 tastes good too, right?

I still consider the Tinymight in the top of my tasty vapes. It does low temps extremely well, due to that powerful heater.

Even though it may take up too much desk space, do you think the ZX could be adapted without to much hassle to shield the heat better? From what I read, the taste, airflow, and extraction quality looks perfect.

I have a ZX. I like it. It's not my favorite ball vapes but it is great. I don't think it would adapt well to the kind of shielding you are talking about, but I could be misunderstanding your requirements. In my experience, ball vapes, including the ZX, are not in the most flavorful end of the spectrum. They can deliver a nice flavor burst in one hit, but those bowls that need multiple hits have much more muted flavors. Especially compared to top tier tasty vapes like the Neo or the CC Halo.

 

[2tiki]

That should be no problem.

I never stir. I have a slow draw so that helps with an even extraction, but I have never seen good evidence that stirring actually improves extraction in pure convection vapes.

I dislike the 3-in-1 wpa with the glass screen. I would recommend getting one from JoDa glass or TRWW.

I still consider the Tinymight in the top of my tasty vapes. It does low temps extremely well, due to that powerful heater.

I have a ZX. I like it. It's not my favorite ball vapes but it is great. I don't think it would adapt well to the kind of shielding you are talking about, but I could be misunderstanding your requirements. In my experience, ball vapes, including the ZX, are not in the most flavorful end of the spectrum. They can deliver a nice flavor burst in one hit, but those bowls that need multiple hits have much more muted flavors. Especially compared to top tier tasty vapes like the Neo or the CC Halo.

Thanks for the feedback! If you don't mind, based on what I've said I'm looking for, could you tell me any reasons you think I'd be better off with a couch log or other log style vape than with the TM2? Or do you think I should go for the TM2? Because it's starting to sound like the TM2 is the way to go for me. Especially since it doesn't need to be plugged in, and I can just sit back on the couch and use it without worrying one of my fuzzballs (cats) are going to start swatting at or trying to eat the cord.

Any chance you have used the Roffu? I have been using that for a year or 2 and over all I like it, but especially on glass, I don't like the air flow restriction. I assume the airflow is better on the TM2, but I'm wondering if someone can tell me the difference in experience so I can know if it's worth the money to move up to the TM2.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Any chance you have used the Roffu? I have been using that for a year or 2 and over all I like it, but especially on glass, I don't like the air flow restriction. I assume the airflow is better on the TM2, but I'm wondering if someone can tell me the difference in experience so I can know if it's worth the money to move up to the TM2.

Yes TM has much more airflow, more power, larger heating element, larger chamber size, more of an analog full temp range, quicker on demand, and all around better flavor with more top tier vapor quality in my experience... With the same setup it hits much smoother imo (yes not the stock setup, simple glass WPA with basket screen, through hooks or other dry glass, and custom Good Vibes Boro stems, u hook stem is such an ideal I hardly ever use anything else with mine now)

 

[Grass Yes]

If you don't mind, based on what I've said I'm looking for, could you tell me any reasons you think I'd be better off with a couch log or other log style vape than with the TM2? Or do you think I should go for the TM2?

I love both, but I use the Tinymight more often. Mostly because it is also portable. Either one I would replace immediately. So yeah, I suppose the TM is your best bet.

Any chance you have used the Roffu? I

Nope! But it looks like @Shit Snacks got you.

 

[2tiki]

Thanks for the help everyone. Unless between now and when the black Friday sales get announced, I hear any other suggestions that measure up, I'll probably get a TM2 from POTV or another trusted site. I'm hoping I can get it on sale for at 10% off to make room in my budget for a WPA.

Where do you think I should get the:

simple glass WPA with basket screen

from?

It looks like they only have the one with the built in glass screen on POTV.

 

[nicknobody]

Most airflow? Safe? Underdog Alpha hands down.

 

[chillAtGVC]

The Venty from Storz and Bickle might suit.

"Very easy to breath in, and not harsh on the throat and lungs." - Wide open it has basically no airflow restriction. I bought it for that reason and flavour. I find it is too open for my tastes and I usually dial it back a bit. The airflow restriction is adjustable from 0 - 100% (in which you can't inhale at all).

"I can not use a torch" - check
"I can not have something hot enough that can burn me" - check
"Not easily breakable if dropped or knocked over" - check. Some may disagree but I have knocked over, knocked off the table, dropped etc my Venty several times with no impact. Yes, I am clumsy.

Preference, but not 100% required:
"Easy to clean" - not sure about this one. You do need to remove one fastener and take the cooling unit to pieces to clean.
"Not huge in size" - while larger than some portable vapes it is not huge
"Inexpensive or free to maintain" - check, I think. I've used a couple of replacement screens (cheap) but everything else is fine.

 

[justcametomind]

Your best bet is a Venty, even better airflow on Volcano which you probably already know if you vape since decades.

 

[Piecho]

Maybe some heat injector with the rubbies (or other thermomass)? You can use it in low tem with water filter to get fast and eaven extraction. For <200$ ruby thermal injector is a budget one, you can get a microdose glass bowl for almost all glass air path and 0.05-0.3 bowl. I turn mine on <5m before session usually, second bowl is noticeable better.

 

[Photonic]

I can attest to the TM2 being among the easiest vapes to clean, with minimal chance of accidental burns, etc. With some upfront investment in an aftermarket stem and/or wpa, there should be very little restriction or irritation, and great flavor. The only "issue" might be if you prefer a hybrid or more conduction leaning experience. The TM2 is primarily convection, which does impact the effects to some degree.

Good luck!

 

[Shit Snacks]

I'll probably get a TM2 from POTV or another trusted site. I'm hoping I can get it on sale for at 10% off to make room in my budget for a WPA.

I'm not sure if they go for 10% off there or anywhere, I really wish they sold a bare bones unit because it comes with so much I would never use anymore lol

Where do you think I should get the:
from?

It looks like they only have the one with the built in glass screen on POTV.

This is the one you want:

TMS03 18mm TinyMight WPA

18mm TinyMight WPA This is a simple 18mm WPA for the TinyMight Comes with 2 rimless basket screens

theroguewaxworks.com

There are other cheaper accessories, when you go China you don't need to spend much on glass, there is a spiked right angle hook and other budget options, before you invest in GVB stems

 

[Postlark]

I wish I had asked a question like this years ago and someone had answered "silver surfer"... Either with it without the baller heater, depending on personal preference... For me the baller version is top

 

[dude_de]

TM2 tastes good too, right? One thing about the TM2 that has kept me from getting it is that people always say it's hard hitting, and I don't know if they mean it like it hits the throat and lungs hard, and/or has very efficient extraction. I don't want to cough if possible, and my throat is very sensitive. @mixchu69 do you also find it smooth as well as open?

I love the taste from TM2. I am also a little sensitive when it comes to coughing. So with the default stems I have learned to take it reaaaaal slow, start at level 3 or 4 and inhale slowly. When I was "learning the TM2", I mostly hit it on a 16" tall bong which helped me see the vapor density change a few seconds in.

I can now deal with it by adjusting how I hit it. I have gotten a few third party stems from smoke6.com which really help (long dimpled, rocket xl with balls). As for a WPA, I love this one:

Tinymight 2 1 14mm 18mm WPA Stainless Steel Adapter injector T bowl flowerpot Kit

This is the stainless steel WPA T Bowl kit for tinymight 2 and tinymight 1. It includes the 14mm and 18mm post so it can work with any other 14mm and 18mm females glasses. The full kit includes the SS WPA with handle, 14mm and 18mm male posts, reducer, screens and o rings.

www.smoke6.com

The bowl part sits on the bong and you slide the TM2 over it as you would a ball vape. It has way thinner walls than all the glass WPAs and therefore maximizes air flow. It's an amazing difference compared to a glass WPA. I also love the handling, I find it much more convenient than the stem based WPAs.

 

[2tiki]

I love the taste from TM2. I am also a little sensitive when it comes to coughing. So with the default stems I have learned to take it reaaaaal slow, start at level 3 or 4 and inhale slowly. When I was "learning the TM2", I mostly hit it on a 16" tall bong which helped me see the vapor density change a few seconds in.

I can now deal with it by adjusting how I hit it. I have gotten a few third party stems from smoke6.com which really help (long dimpled, rocket xl with balls). As for a WPA, I love this one:

Tinymight 2 1 14mm 18mm WPA Stainless Steel Adapter injector T bowl flowerpot Kit

This is the stainless steel WPA T Bowl kit for tinymight 2 and tinymight 1. It includes the 14mm and 18mm post so it can work with any other 14mm and 18mm females glasses. The full kit includes the SS WPA with handle, 14mm and 18mm male posts, reducer, screens and o rings.

www.smoke6.com

The bowl part sits on the bong and you slide the TM2 over it as you would a ball vape. It has way thinner walls than all the glass WPAs and therefore maximizes air flow. It's an amazing difference compared to a glass WPA. I also love the handling, I find it much more convenient than the stem based WPAs.

That looks interesting. Do you notice a difference in taste using this steel WPA as apposed to a glass one? Does it also give a bit of conduction after the first hit? I love the idea of having less to fragile parts than glass, but I really appreciate the taste you get from glass.

Can you use anywhere from .5 to .2 g in per bowl and have it still work well?

Also, does the part sticking out get hot to the touch when in use?

 

[Cheebsy]

I'm late to the party, sorry! Whatever you decide to spend on, you should definitely still do this:

There are also a few halogen options that I've considered, including a DIY one. But of course there is the issue of a big breakable hot thing sitting on the bong all the time.

It's a very satisfying project, very inexpensive, and worth a go for anyone even toying with the idea. I don't use my halo vape often these days but it taught me loads and I would recommend trying it, even just for fun.

 

[Perfect_Speed4069]

It's a very satisfying project, very inexpensive, and worth a go for anyone even toying with the idea.

I admire your commitment to the cause. Weren't you learning lampworking at some point as well, or did I imagine that?

 

[dude_de]

Do you notice a difference in taste using this steel WPA as apposed to a glass one?

Not really but I'm not the right person to ask about taste. I guess a real cannaseur might but I don't.

As an example, I am amazed at the tastes and little notes of tastes geeks can find in whisky or wine. For me, there is "I like it or I don't".

I've never tasted strawberry or banana or mango in any weed with these fruit in the name. Lemon/lime sometimes works... a little

Since the steel WPA is a bit thinner, it does not need to squeeze through the o-ring, it just slips over, which makes it very easy to lift the TM2 off for a quick roast check. The steel does get warm, but not hot enough for conduction, I think. That might be different if you hit it back to back with huge rips, I can't test that.

 

[Cheebsy]

I admire your commitment to the cause. Weren't you learning lampworking at some point as well, or did I imagine that?

No you didn't imagine that, I mentioned it to you in a pm. Making a halo vape is an awful lot easier than learning lampworking. I made mine a few years before starting glasswork. I do want to make a custom glass log at some point, it's just finding the time, but that one will be cartridge heater powered because I dislike the halo lamp holders.

Edit: for anyone looking for information on a DIY halo vape, search the DIY log thread for "budeater"