So I've had my air for a year. I absolutely love arizer and the simplicity and functionality of their products. However I want something that heats up quicker and is a bit more stealthy. I am looking for something that can match its vapor production. Im thinking crafty but I really am not sure I want to spend that much on a VAPE especially that it's not the best battery or heat up time. Please help lol.
Want something new.
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TeeJay1952
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So is you want something a bit more stealthy and heats up faster, here's the options I would suggest you consider:
- Grasshopper
- Vapcap (Titanium Woodie or Carbon versions, or the more expensive OmniVap)
- Magic Flight LaunchBox - (bitch to learn, but a cult classic - and very stealth with practice)
- Pax3 (new heater produces MUCH faster heatup times than the Pax2)
Real talk, the Crafty is a decent vape. But it's pretty expensive, and the heatup times do not impress me. The only good thing about the Crafty is the cooling unit feature - this helps really smooth out the hit.
It sounds to me like stealth is a larger concern for you. I would say don't go for the Crafty unless you're also looking for a smoother hit than the Air.
Personally, I travel everywhere with a Grasshopper and a Vapcap as my backup. I love my Vapcap so much, I actually invested in an OmniVap so I have a basically indestructible backup vape
Squiby
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I only use my Vapcaps now. I have some nice vapes but the Vapcap fills the void so completely that I no longer want to use anything else.
Vapcaps have a simple and genius design, are tiny, beautiful, affordable ($35 - $160) and can be heated by basically any external source. A Vapcap can create fantastic smooth vapor when the power goes out!
Here is some of my favorites; the Ti tipped Copper Stoned, the Blackwood VonG and my beloved Damascus Omnivap.
You can't go wrong with a Vapcap. Everyone should have at least one.
Vapcaps have a simple and genius design, are tiny, beautiful, affordable ($35 - $160) and can be heated by basically any external source. A Vapcap can create fantastic smooth vapor when the power goes out!
Here is some of my favorites; the Ti tipped Copper Stoned, the Blackwood VonG and my beloved Damascus Omnivap.
You can't go wrong with a Vapcap. Everyone should have at least one.
DUDE! Damascus Omnivap??? Is George selling damascus bodies???? I just bought an Omnivap and would LOVE to grab a damascus body for it!
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
Every vapor enthusiast should have a log vape such as an Enano. Then I would buy a Malaana. In that order. With my Solo too, I feel I have the perfect setup. I have several other vaporizers. Maybe an EVO too. My Malaana is as a heavy hitter as my EVO. I haven't used my EVO too much since I bought my Maalana.
My next vape purchase will be a log vape from @Ed's TnT. I'm curious about the Grasshopper but that comes later.
My next vape purchase will be a log vape from @Ed's TnT. I'm curious about the Grasshopper but that comes later.
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Ok thanks for the advice guys. So I've been checking out the firewood 4 because its on demand and that seems to be what I'm most interested in. I have heard good things about the milaana also, i just don't know if its as small or stealthy.
I definitely don't want a pax. I like vapes that don't require cleaning after every couple of uses.
I am now very intrigued by these vapcaps lol. Couple questions. How many hits can i typically take after it clicks?(heats) How hot does it actually stay? I always get paranoid that I'm going to burn myself or something when setting it down with vapes like this. What is the smallest/largest size pack i can get in these bad boys? And also is cleaning the wood difficult?
I used a friends IQ last night and was not impressed at all, outside of the actual design. Then again though, I don't like the idea of my vape being made in china.
I definitely don't want a pax. I like vapes that don't require cleaning after every couple of uses.
I am now very intrigued by these vapcaps lol. Couple questions. How many hits can i typically take after it clicks?(heats) How hot does it actually stay? I always get paranoid that I'm going to burn myself or something when setting it down with vapes like this. What is the smallest/largest size pack i can get in these bad boys? And also is cleaning the wood difficult?
I used a friends IQ last night and was not impressed at all, outside of the actual design. Then again though, I don't like the idea of my vape being made in china.
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Squiby
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@SiDankies
I microdose and I get three good draws per heating cycle and I get three cycles per load. Heat to the the click, toke away. When you hear the cooling click, heat again etc. I tear a tiny bug off a flower bud and it gets me where I want to be. The Vapcap is incredibly efficient with your weed.
Only the heated cap gets hot, and of course the bowl that it covers. I have never burned myself. Don't grab it by the heated end just like you would not grab a cigarette by the burning tip. The rest of the Vapcap stays room temps. It does not heat up.
I'm not sure of the max amount the bowl will take and my precision scale needs new batteries.
The wood midsections, bodies or stems and the mouthpieces do not need to be cleaned, ever. The vapor path is through the tip and condenser that is placed inside the wood midsection. Only the tip, screen and condenser needs to be cleaned. You just place these bits into the doob tube that comes with a vapcap. Fill it with cleaning solution, cap and shake, rinse and dry. Super quick and easy.
I place a degummed hemp fiber filter in the bottom of the bowl and it keeps my condenser surprisingly clean for a long long time. I go many months without cleaning my vapcap and I toke every couple of hours, all day long, every single day.
Yes. Beautiful swirly wood grained Damascus!
Mine was a custom turned body for my omnivap. But George is selling the straight bodies as well. It's not on his website, but a short email to George and he will fix you up.
Here is one from the Artist's Corner on the site that is still available. Made by the resident artist, Jason.
Damascus Steel Body with Steps with a Bloodwood Mouthpiece
Here's @Quint 's new Omni with a Damascus body. She's a beaut!!
I microdose and I get three good draws per heating cycle and I get three cycles per load. Heat to the the click, toke away. When you hear the cooling click, heat again etc. I tear a tiny bug off a flower bud and it gets me where I want to be. The Vapcap is incredibly efficient with your weed.
Only the heated cap gets hot, and of course the bowl that it covers. I have never burned myself. Don't grab it by the heated end just like you would not grab a cigarette by the burning tip. The rest of the Vapcap stays room temps. It does not heat up.
I'm not sure of the max amount the bowl will take and my precision scale needs new batteries.
The wood midsections, bodies or stems and the mouthpieces do not need to be cleaned, ever. The vapor path is through the tip and condenser that is placed inside the wood midsection. Only the tip, screen and condenser needs to be cleaned. You just place these bits into the doob tube that comes with a vapcap. Fill it with cleaning solution, cap and shake, rinse and dry. Super quick and easy.
I place a degummed hemp fiber filter in the bottom of the bowl and it keeps my condenser surprisingly clean for a long long time. I go many months without cleaning my vapcap and I toke every couple of hours, all day long, every single day.
Yes. Beautiful swirly wood grained Damascus!
Mine was a custom turned body for my omnivap. But George is selling the straight bodies as well. It's not on his website, but a short email to George and he will fix you up.
Here is one from the Artist's Corner on the site that is still available. Made by the resident artist, Jason.
Damascus Steel Body with Steps with a Bloodwood Mouthpiece
Here's @Quint 's new Omni with a Damascus body. She's a beaut!!
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@SiDankies
I microdose and I get three good draws per heating cycle and I get three cycles per load. Heat to the the click, toke away. When you hear the cooling click, heat again etc. I tear a tiny bug off a flower bud and it gets me where I want to be. The Vapcap is incredibly efficient with your weed.
Only the heated cap gets hot, and of course the bowl that it covers. I have never burned myself. Don't grab it by the heated end just like you would not grab a cigarette by the burning tip. The rest of the Vapcap stays room temps. It does not heat up.
I'm not sure of the max amount the bowl will take and my precision scale needs new batteries.
The wood midsections, bodies or stems and the mouthpieces do not need to be cleaned, ever. The vapor path is through the tip and condenser that is placed inside the wood midsection. Only the tip, screen and condenser needs to be cleaned. You just place these bits into the doob tube that comes with a vapcap. Fill it with cleaning solution, cap and shake, rinse and dry. Super quick and easy.
I place a degummed hemp fiber filter in the bottom of the bowl and it keeps my condenser surprisingly clean for a long long time. I go many months without cleaning my vapcap and I toke every couple of hours, all day long, every single day.
Yes. Beautiful swirly wood grained Damascus!
Mine was a custom turned body for my omnivap. But George is selling the straight bodies as well. It's not on his website, but a short email to George and he will fix you up.
Here is one from the Artist's Corner on the site that is still available. Made by the resident artist, Jason.
Damascus Steel Body with Steps with a Bloodwood Mouthpiece
Here's @Quint 's new Omni with a Damascus body. She's a beaut!!
I think you sold me dude. Do any of these vapcaps noticeably perform better than another?
Squiby
Well-Known Member
To me, they all perform the same.
The OG can be considered disposable due to its low cost, $35, and glass bowl and body. I think that they are fantastic stocking stuffers! The soft mp can seal a 14mm female water piece.
The Ti tipped models are beautiful. They range from $80 - $125. They have a modular build so you can switch up bodies, stems mouthpieces and contenders to suit your mood or aesthetic or function. The VonG bodies and stem are compatible with water tools 14mm or 18mm. These are LEGO for stoners.
The top of the line Omnivap has an all metal construction. $160. It is also modular but it has an advantage over the regular ti tipped models. The condenser scenes into the mp and as it does so, it pushes the condenser into or out of the ti tip which adjusts the air flow restriction. It is a set it and forget it vape . It is indestructible. It is a doomsday vape.
Get the model that moves you, for it will be with you for a long long time, while your other vapes quietly collect dust in the corner.
If on-demand is what you want, you can't go wrong with the Milaana. Easily my favorite vape. I keep coming back to it.
Grasshopper is good too but with availability/reliability still being an issue I'd wait on that one.
If you're good with plug-in then logs like the Underdog and HI are both incredible, easy to use, and reliable as can be.
Vapcap is great, but if butane sounds like a hassle to you it probably will be. It's faster than the Air, but you do have to keep the flame on the cap while rotating it. I and many others enjoy the "ritual" to it, but it might not be for everyone.
If I was going to choose a favorite butane vape it would be the lotus though. Instant convection and the best flavor of any vape I've tried.
Grasshopper is good too but with availability/reliability still being an issue I'd wait on that one.
If you're good with plug-in then logs like the Underdog and HI are both incredible, easy to use, and reliable as can be.
Vapcap is great, but if butane sounds like a hassle to you it probably will be. It's faster than the Air, but you do have to keep the flame on the cap while rotating it. I and many others enjoy the "ritual" to it, but it might not be for everyone.
If I was going to choose a favorite butane vape it would be the lotus though. Instant convection and the best flavor of any vape I've tried.
Andreaerdna
If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
+1 for vapcap!
Glass tip heats a little faster but it is fragile, performances are very close.
Omnivap seems more expensive, but in the long run I am sure it will be less expensive (glass shatter..)
I also own a AA and solo, not having to reload daily some batteries is for me a clean evolution in my vaporizing habit. microdosing is very easy as the bowl is tiny and narrow. As @Squiby suggested in vc thread I started to load ungrinded tiny buds and it is still a satisfying vaporfull experience while cutting down an already small bowl
And cherry on the cake: customer service is one of the best around here!
Glass tip heats a little faster but it is fragile, performances are very close.
Omnivap seems more expensive, but in the long run I am sure it will be less expensive (glass shatter..)
I also own a AA and solo, not having to reload daily some batteries is for me a clean evolution in my vaporizing habit. microdosing is very easy as the bowl is tiny and narrow. As @Squiby suggested in vc thread I started to load ungrinded tiny buds and it is still a satisfying vaporfull experience while cutting down an already small bowl
And cherry on the cake: customer service is one of the best around here!
Squiby
Well-Known Member
Everything is relative. If applying heat for a few seconds is a hassle for you, then you might be better off with a battery powered device.
In my life, I actively seek out tools, devices and accoutrements that do not add clutter or require endless fussing about.
Nothing irritates me more than adding to the growing array of stuff that needs to be plugged in, charged, stored, rotated and organized while it clutters up my home, as I deal with the inevitable failure of coils, electronics, batteries and plastic bits.
Give me something built to last, with few parts and a design that simply works, and will always work. Give me something that I won't be having to send to the dump because some component failed or became unavailable, or because I got fed up with the short battery life.
I know that if I have a match to light a candle or a bic or jet lighter or even a solar heater, my Vapcap will create fantastic smooth clouds of vapor. Always. Every time.
I appreciate the simple beauty of a brilliantly designed device that should last me the rest of my life. There is pride in owning and passing on something as well crafted as the Vapcap to the next generation to admire, and use.
I live in a remote rural area and sometimes the power goes out. I am at peace knowing that my home is heated with wood and that I cook on a stove that does not require electricity and that I have my devoted Vapcap, that will always work, even when the lights go out. Who could want anything more?
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rozroz
Well-Known Member
this i understand completely,
it's just that it doesn't sound so simple to heat it evenly..
why would i need to turn it around in order to do that and even be concerned about that?
The Beagle
Bubbles & Bags
Can't comment about the VapCap as I'm just about to order one but I'd definitely say try a butane vape.
I bought my first one (a Vapman) as a backup for my Air and I ended up selling the Air and buying a Lotus and now I'm ready to pull the trigger on a VapCap.
I'm not @Squiby but I can give you my perspective on this.
First of all a battery powered vape needs electronics that may fail, especially if you consider that they are exposed to high temperatures. They also usually have more parts and are more complex so again more things that can break. Then there's the battery: it need to be charged and if you own a vape that allows you to switch it you can just have some spares but if it's a fixed battery unit you will be limited to its capacity. I owned an Arizer Air before going butane and the thing I hated the most was having to deal with batteries and chargers and carrying spares and having to worry about charge level and so on.
Butane vapes are usually simpler, with less things that can break and they usually are easily serviceable by the user if needed. Butane is a very powerful energy source and the small tank of a lighter will give you way more sessions that any battery. The extreme amount of heat a torch can provide also means you can use your vape with every kind of concentrate/oil/hash/whatever as well as with flowers. Gas cans (and torches if you don't buy the fancy ones) are also pretty cheap and recharching a lighter requires less than one minute compared to the several hours needed to fully charge a battery.
There alse are negative aspects of course, the main one being the learning curve involved in understanding how to properly heat a device to obtain the desired extraction and the risk of combusting your load. Butane vapes are also usually a bit less discrete than the electronic ones as the torch makes a distinct hissing noise and the act of heating something isn't exactly the stealthiest one to perform in public.
tl;dr: no batteries to charge, no electronics to fail, simplicity, portability, versatility but you can combust your load if you are not careful.
I bought my first one (a Vapman) as a backup for my Air and I ended up selling the Air and buying a Lotus and now I'm ready to pull the trigger on a VapCap.
I'm not @Squiby but I can give you my perspective on this.
First of all a battery powered vape needs electronics that may fail, especially if you consider that they are exposed to high temperatures. They also usually have more parts and are more complex so again more things that can break. Then there's the battery: it need to be charged and if you own a vape that allows you to switch it you can just have some spares but if it's a fixed battery unit you will be limited to its capacity. I owned an Arizer Air before going butane and the thing I hated the most was having to deal with batteries and chargers and carrying spares and having to worry about charge level and so on.
Butane vapes are usually simpler, with less things that can break and they usually are easily serviceable by the user if needed. Butane is a very powerful energy source and the small tank of a lighter will give you way more sessions that any battery. The extreme amount of heat a torch can provide also means you can use your vape with every kind of concentrate/oil/hash/whatever as well as with flowers. Gas cans (and torches if you don't buy the fancy ones) are also pretty cheap and recharching a lighter requires less than one minute compared to the several hours needed to fully charge a battery.
There alse are negative aspects of course, the main one being the learning curve involved in understanding how to properly heat a device to obtain the desired extraction and the risk of combusting your load. Butane vapes are also usually a bit less discrete than the electronic ones as the torch makes a distinct hissing noise and the act of heating something isn't exactly the stealthiest one to perform in public.
tl;dr: no batteries to charge, no electronics to fail, simplicity, portability, versatility but you can combust your load if you are not careful.
Squiby
Well-Known Member
Even people with coordination challenges report that they can heat a vapcap successfully. It is a relaxing movement and ritual to either rotate your wrist or twirl the VC between your fingers while applying heat evenly to the cap.
If you don't rotate the VC while heating you won't heat your load up evenly, but it would work, sort of, I suppose.
It's the same action of absentmindedly twirling a pencil between your fingers as you contemplate life. You may even be doing this already without realizing it.
rozroz
Well-Known Member
thanks for the video!
seems ok i guess.
i do not wanna derail the thread so just last question regarding Vapcap:
i'm aware of the "click" system and it's sounds a nice method of controlling temp.
so in this last video you've heated the heating element to what temp? (more or less?)
and i understand the herb is loaded in the upper area so it's still pure convection?
that's why it's unclear to me why would i fear conduction at all?
(one of the reasons i wanna check this is convection, unless i am totally mistaken?)
ps - i was right it's not pure convection at all. the bowl also gets heated in the process to some degree.
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Squiby
Well-Known Member
Hahaha!!!
We have followed the same path. I love both my Vapmans and my Lotus. They are both fantastic vaporizer. I will never part with them. But the Vapcap is my daily driver now, every day.
I love my Vapcap.
@rozroz
The temperature of the bowl is controlled by where heat is applied to the cap. If you heat the lower end of the cap near the digger outter, you achieve higher temps. Heating closer to the cap tip results in cooler vaping temps.
Either way, respect the click and you will NOT combust.
The Vapcap operates with a combination of convection/conduction. The bowl heats up offering conduction and heated air passing under the cap and through the loaded tip offers convection.
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rozroz
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Good thinking