Volcano gave me breathing problems, what about Extreme with ice water?

[ombass]

Hi guys,
First off, great community here. Glad i found it!

Secondly, I really want to get (back) into vaping. Smoked my whole life, and hack like crazy when i use my bong... so I know something needs to change. But first some background:

I bought the original Volcano when it first came out. But to my surprise, it actually aggrivated my lungs! Basically after using, my lungs would be very tight, breathing constricted, and wheezing/athsma I have had slight athsma probs my whole life, so I guess i have sensitive lungs. But i would have to reach for my inhaler after every use, and I eventually had to give it up. And to this day whenever i use a friend's volcano, same problem. Not sure if it was the metal parts, or the high temp (no ice water etc), but I know that (sadly) the Volcano's not for me!

But cant help but think that vaping has got to be better than all that smoke, and have set out to find an option that works for me. My research has led me to the Extreme. No metal, and can be used with an ice water attachment. Seems like if any vape is going to work for me... it would be this one.

Has anyone else had breathing problems with vaping and/or the volcano? And have you successfully been able to use the Extreme or a similar system with ice water?

I really want to transition to vaping!! Just got really burned on the Volcano. Any adivice here?

Thank you!!

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

if your asthma is like mine, its the dry air thats aggravating your lungs, every time the humidity gets below 50 i cant really breathe that well

ive seen someone over on the shroomery running their volcano through a bong, so its not like it cant be done if you still have your volcano, i think he did it just by pressing the mouthpiece onto the downstem and inhaling

but the ones that have the whip option go through a bong much easier, also you can look into the inline ice chamber that partially veiled posted over in the "freezing your wand" thread if you decide to go for a whip vape

 

[Clear_Dome]

Hi ombass wekcome on fc !!
I'm pretty sure runing vaper under water will help you (also ice is better ,colder) .It help a lot to get smooth hit !! and for the vap just read the tread around and try to found the perfect vap FOR YOU !!! there is a lot of good vap on the market and a lot of good review here so take the time to choose the good one !!
once again welcome on fuckcombustion !!


-cd

 

[ombass]

Hey guys!
Thanks for the replies here Wizard Ninja, I checked that thread. That ice catcher could be cool! Definitely would cool things down. And THANKS for clarifying that its the hot air that also bothers your asthma. I think thats what it is for me too. So just need to cool that shite down.

I think at this point I am leaning towards the Extreme, but also am considering the Aromed! I know its not that popular of one...Sorta clinical looking & hard core... But just seems so pimpin and full on medical grade! I just dont like the whip only aspect to it. Seems the Extreme is more versatile, where it can fill bags or whip method.

The Part 2 video on the Extreme shows that the mouth pieces are made to fit in a small glass bong/bubbler. So thinking that might be the best option. Although, if i need to filter it, i might limited to bag use on the Extreme? Or maybe whip with fan off. Not sure if that would work with fan on.

Anyhow, water/ice cooling=seems like way to go I look forward to a soon aquisition of a proper device I shall let you all know what i end up with and give a full report

Thanks!!

 

[partially veiled]

Good luck, ombass. Take your time and pick the one that's right for you...there's quite a few good models out there, and I think we're all starting to see which ones we need to steer clear of... Anyway, I'm sure you'll find the right one this time around, make sure you do let us know what it turns out to be! I'm sure some one here can help you with the learning curve...there's definitely a lot of Extreme users here! Vaporizing has fixed my smokers hack (well, that and quitting cigs )...it's completely gone!!! I'm sure it can work for you as well! Good luck and welcome to FC!

 

[vtac]

If you need bag capability as well I guess your choices are limited to the Extreme or herbalAire.

But basically any whip vaporizer with tubing can be connected to a water pipe using an inexpensive GonG adapter. A little ice and water definitely go a long way to cooling the vapor. It still expands in your lungs and can give you that tickle if you take a big enough hit though.

Personally I haven't loaded up the ice chamber in over a month so I guess it doesn't bother me. Also lazy.

 

[vaporcloud]

I can attest to the cool vapor when going through water. Had some vapor bong rips last night (and this morning ) and they were smooth tasty and didn't irritate my throat at all. My set up is super getto, I just hold the end of my whip into the glass stem. I'm sure going thru water moistens the vapor.

 

[voporay]

ilike to fill my whip with water then let the water run out leaving a little moisture in the tube then pull the vapor thru the moist tube .
to me it adds just enuff moisture to the vapor to keep itfrom irratating my lungs and throat.

 

[Purple-Days]

This may sound dumb, but can't you fill a bag and then run the contents through a water filtration system (aka bong) ? And would that help ?

 

[max]

I may be off base as far as what's bothering ombass, but 'tight lungs' with me has been due to big whip hits, rather than vapor that's not cooled down. I've always found bag hits to be easier on my lungs, which is what confuses me about Volcano use bothering him. Even when I take really big bag hits, I get dry throat rather than tight lungs. The PD doesn't bother me either, since it precludes huge hits.

 

[Purple-Days]

What I was at, was re-hydrating the 'baked' air, since AoZ mentioned the low humidity causing a problem with asthmatics. Would the bag through water help any? NOt sure it would at all, don't know how much the bong water re-humidifies the dry air. Ice melting anfd the large surface area of crushed ice might get more H2O into the vapor stream.

One interesting thing I have heard about pot smoke and asthma is the expectorant effect of the smoke. Seems that what sounds bad might actually help in some cases.

I have no idea, as I don't have the problem, and am just throwing out some suggestions and things I hear.

Besides, he has a 'cano and might get some good use from it with slight mods before going on to spend more money.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

ya, i think i mentioned the guy over on the shroomery that ran his cano through a 4 chamber bong, he said it made the rips so much smoother, im pretty sure he was pressing the mouthpiece onto the downstem

ombass may not still have the volcano though, which would be unfortunate, its a decent unit, the main criticism on here is the price, ive never hit one, but im sure it hits good

 

[ombass]

Hey guys! Thanks for all the replies here

re: asthma, I guess maybe I should have specified asthma aka tight lungs effect from Volcano. After using it i have asthma/trouble breathing/tight lungs/short of breath. I owned one for a while, and tried a lot of things, smaller inhales, diff temps, etc. But found the effect on my lungs in the end to be pretty much the same. I mean its technically a little bit better if I dont I take the hits DEEP...but yeah. I noticed dry/irritated throat too, which is what my roommate complained of. We are both very heavy smokers, so the Volcano all the time just wasnt working for us. For me, overall pretty much defeats the purpose of vaporizing aka "healthier smoke" if I cant breath afterwards and need an inhalation off an inhaler to keep going. I hate using that damned inhaler, steroids inhaled into lungs: not good, bad for adrenal glands too.

So.... this brings us to the "why did the volcano fuck me up" argument Is it the hot, dry air? Most likely. More dry than hot i think. Because the air's not very hot once it goes into a balloon. Right? Doesn't seem hot to me. I just used a friend's Digi Volcano over the weekend, and tried to pay attention. The air didn't seem too hot. Did seem dry though. I tried running it through my friend's bong, which helped too, but at that point i had already been raging it for a while and my lungs were getting chapped. I think though that it would prob help me. That is unless for some reason its the plastics/metals being used in the Volcano? I just have a hard time thinking that they could be offgassing THAT much... ya know? I mean maybe... but the hot air theory seems more solid.

So at this point.... I guess the best option is either the Aromed, or the Extreme with bag running through small water piece? Its cool that its made to do that

P.S. I notice the expectorant aspect to pot smoking/asthma too... but i have to also notice that I dont think i'd be hacking in the first place if i wasnt puffing... so sort of a chicken/egg argument

But thank you guys, you all rock!!! Killer community here glad to be a part of it

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

nah its most likely the dr air, thats what gets me too, i ride my bike a lot, and if the air is dry outside im gasping for breath within 2 minutes and inhaler doesnt seem to work well for it

if you still have the volcano, try running it through a bong with warm or steaming water, that would be the best way to moisturize it, im sure cool water works fine, but warm water will really add the humidity

if you do decide on another vape, dont be too quick to look over the whip models

 

[vtac]

ombass

Few questions:

- How much air/vapor are you inhaling during a Volcano session? 2,10,50 lungfuls?
- How are you smoking your herb? Spliffs, water pipes etc.
- Have you tried any other vaporizers?

Hope we can figure this out, I'm pretty curious now.

 

[Purple-Days]

OK, I have never bagged.

But when we had that nasty whip vape, , if you let the vapor get 'stale' in the whip it would create the lung problems you suggest. I could not take it and insisted on a 'clear air' whip hit.

A) has any other whip user noticed stale vapor creating a hacking effect?

B) does stale vapor from a bag do the same?

Yes, AtoZ hot (warm) water would be the best humidifier, and would still be cooler than the 'hot' (it's not hot, it's dry) vapor. That is brilliant.

 

[SpiralArchitect]

Just like clearing a bong, I insit on a 'clear air' whip hit with my vaporizer.

I haven't noticed the stale vapor causing any problems though, sometimes when I am fiddling with my vape moments after taking a hit I'll inhale and exhale the 'remainders' in the tubing.

 

[max]

A) has any other whip user noticed stale vapor creating a hacking effect?

Not me.

B) does stale vapor from a bag do the same?

The same, meaning not me again.

 

[SpiralArchitect]

I figured something out a minute ago.

Any of you ever use a 'mouth bong'?

Just sip some water, not too much, enough so that you can breathe in and make lil'bubble sounds. Like a bong in your mouth. Put the whip up to your mouth an inhale. Easy cheesy.

Your friends might not appreciate it if your toking with them ("ewww slobber") but since I vape by myself practically exclusive, no worries.

I can actually feel the warm vapor enter my mouth and leave it much cooler. My lungs have been giving me grief for all the hot dry vapor and this really seems to be helping.

 

[vaporcloud]

A) has any other whip user noticed stale vapor creating a hacking effect?

B) does stale vapor from a bag do the same?

Yes me on both acconts

I use to call it dead smoke when bonging ... that is the smoke that doesn't clear the chamber. Same goes for vapor left in the whip. I like to remove the bowl from the heating rod and keep sucking to remove all the vapor but the wife does not and this leaves dead vapor in the whip which I do find irritating and stale. And this is something I have wondered about bags, wouldn't the vapor sitting in the bags start to taste stale?

Like Tom, I have never bagged

 

[max]

wouldn't the vapor sitting in the bags start to taste stale?

I think it does. That's why I rarely do bags. Dilution from the air pumped in is an issue for me too. Never been able to tolerate bourbon/scotch and water either. Either drink it straight for the taste, or hide the taste with Coke or something. With water- yuck.

 

[marcuss]

Hey guys!
Thanks for the replies here Wizard Ninja, I checked that thread. That ice catcher could be cool! Definitely would cool things down. And THANKS for clarifying that its the hot air that also bothers your asthma. I think thats what it is for me too. So just need to cool that shite down.

I think at this point I am leaning towards the Extreme, but also am considering the Aromed! I know its not that popular of one...Sorta clinical looking & hard core... But just seems so pimpin and full on medical grade! I just dont like the whip only aspect to it. Seems the Extreme is more versatile, where it can fill bags or whip method.

The Part 2 video on the Extreme shows that the mouth pieces are made to fit in a small glass bong/bubbler. So thinking that might be the best option. Although, if i need to filter it, i might limited to bag use on the Extreme? Or maybe whip with fan off. Not sure if that would work with fan on.

Anyhow, water/ice cooling=seems like way to go I look forward to a soon aquisition of a proper device I shall let you all know what i end up with and give a full report

Thanks!!

ciao ombass!
I'd suggest you to consider The Herborizer vape that i raccomend to those looking for a very smooth vapor....i owned a Aromed vape for a while and i can say that it is a very good vape but IMO a bit unconfortable for his design.
I'm sure dry air/vapor + hi-grade material + micro plant's debrids are responsable of your lungs and throat irritation......water filtration helps a lot to minimize this side-effects without any loss in goodness and medication.

 

[Clear_Dome]

allouya marcuss ....nothing to add !!!

 

[kram]

I figured something out a minute ago.

Any of you ever use a 'mouth bong'?

Just sip some water, not too much, enough so that you can breathe in and make lil'bubble sounds. Like a bong in your mouth. Put the whip up to your mouth an inhale. Easy cheesy.

I'm loving this with icy water. Definitely cools the vapor.

 

[partially veiled]

I am totally going to try that mouth bong business...such an awesome simple idea. Amazing how those are the ones that never pass through your mind

kram, I know this is off-topic...but holy hell man. Your avatar is AWESOME!!!! DOTT, yes!! That brings me back for sure...that game kicked so much ass. Hi-larry-us.