Discontinued Versa Infinity - The Glass Vaporizer

[IAmKrazy2]

I couldn't read the whole thread, too painful.

For those who don't know, weird lies, astroturfing, and all around shady business practices have been commonplace with the manufacturer of this product in the past. I bought both an ingognito and magicwand way back when, and this is without a doubt the same manufacturer. I also was involved with debunking some very shady behaviour by this manufacturer in the past.

previous products offered a "lifetime" warranty. but the company imploded itself.

my opinion? DO NOT SUPPORT THIS SHADY COMPANY. They will lie and lie over and over. don't be fooled.

 

[LaFouine]

For evidence , it was a "lifetime enterprise" warranty
Even if you are a good businessman, sometimes if things goes wrong you can't do nothing to keep your society alive... And if you are a beginner it's easy to find a way to fall down with your business.
I believe he would prefer having success with his first "society"...

Wait N See....

 

[grokit]

I don't know if this vape will perform as shown, but I became skeptical the moment I saw the hookah video, so much vapor from such a small amount of herb, I never saw vapor come out of her mouth. And at the end of it, the herb didn't look that spent.
If anybody can duplicate that, I'll become a believer.

That's the video that ended up selling me on the hookah bowl lol.
I can't wait to try and duplicate it for you !

 

[vorrange]

Speaking of bowls, here's the incognito parts that i said are similar:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/incognito-vaporizer.2967/page-17#post-277752

Compare with this video at 3:00:

Perhaps it is not all bad Chris got found out, i wouldn't mind a refurbishing of the incognito in a smaller container.

 

[tiukauleh]

I couldn't read the whole thread, too painful.

For those who don't know, weird lies, astroturfing, and all around shady business practices have been commonplace with the manufacturer of this product in the past. I bought both an ingognito and magicwand way back when, and this is without a doubt the same manufacturer. I also was involved with debunking some very shady behaviour by this manufacturer in the past.

previous products offered a "lifetime" warranty. but the company imploded itself.

my opinion? DO NOT SUPPORT THIS SHADY COMPANY. They will lie and lie over and over. don't be fooled.

i'm not affected by the past history of the MW/Incog, you are, so i understand if you are hurt and i am sorry you feel that way but I choose to believe in the redemption of a man (or at least in the creation of a wicked vape!). afaik, he didnt kill anyone, didnt scam anybody. if anything, he's guilty of bad business practice & financial control and of not stepping up, or down gracefully in his previous venture. i am paying no money for a vape yet, i am merely being open to the concept of redemption & hope, for a young individual to hopefully realise & remodule himself before he turns 'obsolete'. Like i said earlier, some other vape manufacturer have also packed up, it is business. No 'lifetime warranty' is guaranteed for life, we all know that. again i may be optimistic but it is possible that he had all the good intentions but due to business/finance setback and lousy goal setting, he could not back up his offer. then choose not to explain his exit gracefully. lack of good judgement, i say, happens to young people sometimes.

i always felt 'shady' described something like the CIA, a fat corrupt politician with ties to the mob or some dark grungy karaoke center with bargirls. taylor could be merely misguided, or a slow learner when it comes to human interaction. some creative people are.

 

[vorrange]

Tiukauleh, i understand what you're saying but let's not get carried away. In his previous company, he left costumers and sellers hanging, some of them without receiving what they payed for.

Some people are willing to give him a second chance, others aren't. Not much to do about that.

 

[CheeseSandwich]

My turn to be spelling nazi @vorrange It's "customers" not "costumers" Lol
Just teasing. Sorry, couldn't resist after I seen your post in the lotus thread.

 

[irishroots8477]

You don't get to vote more than once. If you vote twice, only the last vote is counted.

oh... you learn something everyday, good to know.

 

[Snappo]

yes, of course we should all be old enough to know better. having reread his 'posting', the info that he seemed to be a young man currently facing the realities of life seem to make me reconsider my harder stance. and i am not defending anyone but the context of lying makes a difference. and lying is cool at times - i lie to my co-workers, boss or clients sometimes. times when i feel like crap and they ask me 'how are things?', and especially my boss who likes to go around saying 'feeling good?' and expecting a positive reply everytime fucckkkkkkk. imho speaking the truth is overrated actually, sometimes half truths will do even better, depending on your intentions. i wish i lied to my late mum when she came back from the hairdresser years ago when i was younger, and she asked me what i thought. i didn't like her new hairstyle and i told her so. years has passed, and i still remember the slightly hurtful look in her face as she turned .

what i'm trying to say is while he didnt do full disclosure, one thing is he did not lie to steal, no intention to use FC to scam. iro the MW the people had no 'lifetime warranty' but a business can close down anytime. many vapes manufacturers could just disappear, like the PD. even the vxc cloud was close to shutting down but SM persisted, and with additional funding and variance in warranty terms. taylor didn't steal but our issue with his 'crime' is for not owning up to his past history/failures and dealing with the consequence gracefully.

if i read the history correctly, those early venture was his 1st for the young man, sometimes people make mistakes and things snowball (again this is no defence). So in this case, age would make a difference to me at least, maybe i am just less cynical these days and would like to think that sometimes (young) people need an event like this to shake them up, in a good way. i think that sometimes character is built upon failure & mistakes, not success. and belatedly, forced or not, he has ome out & apologized and seem to be genuinely interested in a chance to redeem himself.

i haven't had the history as some of you old timers' here so maybe i don't feel so wronged. i just saw a great concept for a vape, and now learnt it's from a young creative person who fucked up along the way; we know that he can create vapes but maybe he's finally understood that he's got to go beyond that, and create trust as well.

i like the "peace & love" vibe about ganja, and i'm currently feeling the love now. in my current state of mind, and in another time and place, taylor could be one of our lost brother, the creative but stubborn, sometimes foolish one who had to learn life's lessons the hard way. best learn them while he's young, i say.

i'm looking forward to the reviews.

Sorry, but I personally can't/won't accept ANY product, statement, or claim made by someone who lies so easily. I've got egg on my face on this one: had me fooled - didn't see this coming. Had a recent experience with a prior FC member who finally admitted he repeatedly lied to me because he assumed I wouldn't accept the true explanation (the truth that he claimed later would have been no problem at all for me). How foolish can one be? Major pathological character & integrity flaws in evidence there and here too. Just tell the fucking truth right up front, take off the disguise, and play by the rules. I'll not continue monitoring this thread for product updates or offering design comments/ideas. I hope my 2 cents spent on this thread have not been a complete waste, but must be moving on. I'm grateful for the FC mod's vigilance and protective guardianship in this and all matters FC. Cheers all!

 

[tiukauleh]

Tiukauleh, i understand what you're saying but let's not get carried away. In his previous company, he left costumers and sellers hanging, some of them without receiving what they payed for.

Some people are willing to give him a second chance, others aren't. Not much to do about that.

hi vorrange, with all due respect, on the contrary, my writing the stuff was because i thought some people were getting carried away with the vitrol directed at him. if i didnt know better, i'd thought he had pulled a fast one on you FCers with some good 'ol scam LOL. The fact is that he made (to some) a decent vape but his business went kaput, and he didnt end it gracefully.

i cant do much about what people want but i see some saying that they won't do business with him etc so i thought i'd just write to say that i might consider, depending on how things go.

Sorry, but I personally can't/won't accept ANY product, statement, or claim made by someone who lies so easily. I've got egg on my face on this one: had me fooled - didn't see this coming. Had a recent experience with a prior FC member who finally admitted he repeatedly lied to me because he assumed I wouldn't accept the true explanation (the truth that he claimed later would have been no problem at all for me). How foolish can one be? ......... Just tell the fucking truth right up front, take off the disguise, and play by the rules.

i did not feel the pain of your experience with a prior FC member but i can see how i would react similiarly. yes, how foolish can one be??? i can also ask myself that sometimes when i look back. and now, perhaps i need to learn the hard way as well for "hoping beyond hope"?...

Just tell the fucking truth right up front, take off the disguise, and play by the rules.

yes, just that sometimes some people takes awhile or an event to learn, some others live their whole life without even knowing.

I'll not continue monitoring this thread for product updates or offering design comments/ideas. I hope my 2 cents spent on this thread have not been a complete waste, but must be moving on. I'm grateful for the FC mod's vigilance and protective guardianship in this and all matters FC. Cheers all!

i wish you well, m'friend and hope we wil meet again in our vaping journey.

 

[next level]

Not at all, maybe take your "priceless" comment back please because you may have misunderstood, and I don't appreciate the attitude. I was just stating another lie they made.... perhaps into scaring to drop the dispute. Thanks for your concern, but please let's not turn on each other.

Exactly. And thank you.

I will not take it back. They did not lie about paypal. That is standard practice for people that use and know how paypal operates. That is what I would of told my customers.

No, initially it opens a resolution type thing where communication occurs, it doesn't go into a full dispute right away. When it's in full dispute mode, PAYPAL is the one that makes a decision.

I was going to wait to start it, but I saw another member started one and it kind of scared me into it since I hadn't nothing else to lose by starting it.

Hope that clears things up enough for you? lol

edit: and yes, what Leiana said would happen, didn't. So it's up to you to decide if it was a lie, deception, whatever. I just got the refund alot faster than was supposed to.

They did not lie to you. Because you never opened a dispute as you already said. You opened a case or Disputed a Transaction. She said if you take it to the next level it will slow things down. Which it would since paypal steps in a does there investigation.

 

[vorrange]

@CheeseSandwich thank you! i think i have been making that mistake often, it didn't look right but english is not my native language so sometimes i mix when the letters repeat (ll, tt), when to use "u" vs "o", and also by distraction i right "has" in place of "as".
I blame the distraction errors on the highness of my situation at the time. haha.

@tiukauleh ... the hipi situation is quite recent still, and "ungracefully" is definitely not the best definition of what happened.
He chose to lie (by omission), when the company when kaput. He did not notify anyone who he was in business with or who had bought his products.
If you think about it, his glass manufacturer also cut relations with him without saying anything to him, and when he found out it was too late and the reason for his demise. He could have bankrupt a vaporizer retailer the same way.

If it wasn't his fault, as he is claiming, he could have explained the situation and still "flee" but the bare minimum would be an explanation.

He is the one who decided to come back to FC and he is the one who decided to lie again (first by omission, again) so, the reaction has been very very calm and educated.
People just stated their displeasement and gave their advice on how to proceed.

And i'm also willing to give him another chance, but i decided to wait how things unfold before investing my money on this company.

 

[Silver420Surfer]

@tiukauleh -- I like the cut of your jib, pal.
You have a zen-like aura to you. Very positive vibe.

 

[tiukauleh]

I don't know if this vape will perform as shown, but I became skeptical the moment I saw the hookah video, so much vapor from such a small amount of herb, I never saw vapor come out of her mouth. And at the end of it, the herb didn't look that spent.
If anybody can duplicate that, I'll become a believer.

yes, but i am slightly foolhardy so instead of skeptical, i am ecstatic and hope that the versa and its....what's the word ahh venturi effect (wtf it is i still don't understand technical air flow stuff) is not just hocus pocus show n lights. i stand ready, prepared for both a party or a letdown. I'll join the hate crowd though if reviews are negative LOL

@vorrange
thank you for your reply. yeah, he fucked up and didn't step up as he should have. As for calm reaction, there was many '"scam! scam! what am i going to do?" shoutout earlier that da Mods had to come out and say it wasn't. I won't pretend, there is anger cause personal feelings have been hurt.

still, for me personally, the fact that he showed no intention to scam, is the difference between one lie vs another. yes, he came back to FC, but again not to scam, more like a survey or research, like he actually valued the technical comments & knowledge of FCers. again i understand how some would feel, esp MW/Incog users who werent treated right and im not trying to convince anyone to follow my lead, well not too much anyway. just my 2c that i am not displeased, more disappointed that he didnt step up as he should have and im hoping he'll make things good from here on in.

 

[RUDE BOY]

All in all he got a life time Ban for breaking the FC rules and nothing else. Rules are rules for a reason, and yes I miss some people who have been banned but this isn't the first or last person to try to come back on FC after being Banned and got found out.

The old companies that made the Magic Wand and the Incognito for darn sure weren't the first or last to go belly up and leave people in the lurch. I know I'm going nowhere with this other then to say why not give this company a chance to grow before we judge their product or CS. I know I wouldn't be buying one until they prove themselves. Maybe they got it right this time.

 

[grokit]

I can see why his new partners, if they exist, would choose to try and distance themselves from Chris's previous ventures. I can also see why they would be interested in his vaporizer designs, as they appear to be highly attractive, quite effective, and completely modular. As with the zenhopper, I became enthusiastic enough to place my bet and will hope for the best. Like any unproven product, supporting it is a gamble.

While I would like to know more about how many investors are involved, who they are and what their roles are, I also know that we are not entitled to that information. But at the same time, I am encouraged by their recent salvo to Chris's previous customers, to make things right with those that may have non-functional or incomplete units. To me, that at least says something about this current group's intentions.

 

[lwien]

for me personally, the fact that he showed no intention to scam

When you create a false account, when you ask for funding from a community while pretending to be someone whom you're not, and when confronted with this, you deny all of the above while attacking the source of that community with assertions of sexism and a conspiracy to do damage to the product in question, is that not a scam?

Definition of scam:
scam |skam|
noun informal
a dishonest scheme; a fraud: an insurance scam.

Was he not being a fraud by pretending to be someone whom he's not?

I'll tell ya this. I TOTALLY bought into the whole Lieana persona. I TOTALLY supported not only her, but the company whom she represented and I did so enthusiastically, not because of her breasts as some here have suggested, but rather her open and tenacious communications here about the product. I was fooled.........and for me, I felt.............scammed. I can usually spot this shit a mile away, but this one totally got by me.

 

[Silver420Surfer]

oh, no, semantics lesson lol

By the legal defintion you are right lwien, but you know what tiukauleh meant.

 

[vorrange]

@tiukauleh come on, it is only natural that some get more agitated than others. For some 160USD is not much, but for others it is. And some people are more quick boilers than others.
And then there are the ones who actually got f'ed in the past.

Don't you think that after what he did before, coming here and taking advantage of the colective knowledge of FC users is a reason to feel even more cheated?
I'm not saying he thought of it this way, he most likely didn't. Going through FC is just the natural step to take in the vaporizer industry.

The scam is not and never was on the product itself, and most of us said that from the beggining. The doubts some people have produced regarding the quality of the vaporizer are natural and present in every new vaporizer and company presented here and i don't remember anyone stating their doubts in a blatant disrespectfull manner.

All i'm saying is that the array of reactions i have seen on the thread are natural and reflect each others personalities, points of view and personal experiences.
I am proud of how FC mods and users handled and digested what happened and i am hoping that this is a new beginning for Chris and he earns the confidence that the beta team is demonstrating in investing their hard earned money on his creation.

 

[lwien]

oh, no, semantics lesson lol

By the legal defintion you are right lwien, but you know what tiukauleh meant.

I know exactly what he meant and I stand by what I said above, simply because after my enthusiastic support for this company, I now feel..........scammed. It's not a matter of semantics. To say that Chris didn't scam the FC community is simply false. He did so by creating a false personality/account and presenting his product to FC under false pretenses. How is that...........just semantics?

I heaped praise upon praise for how Versa presented themselves here and it is now totally unwarranted.

When you create a false identity for the purpose of hiding past indiscretions when in the process of asking for funds to support your product.............how in the hell could that be construed as anything but a scam?

 

[GR]

Do we have any proof that Leiana is Chris? For all I know Leiana is a real person, maybe his wife? I don't know but many seem very certain they are one in the same, Leiana ran circles around Chris' posting style.

All I saw from the mods was that Chris was involved in this company, maybe I missed the evidence that Chris is Leiana.

 

[max]

i always felt 'shady' described something like the CIA, a fat corrupt politician with ties to the mob or some dark grungy karaoke center with bargirls. taylor could be merely misguided, or a slow learner when it comes to human interaction. some creative people are.

A dictionary definition of shady is "of dubious character; rather disreputable". When the rules clearly state that multiple accounts aren't allowed, and a manufacturer creates another just to praise his product, as if the 'new member' is just a happy customer, that's not simply being misguided, it's deceit as well as a rule breaker. The same applies to the new account, when the creator is basically saying 'I'm a brand new member and a representative of a brand new company'. When former member and manufacturer 'HiPi' was banned, he knew exactly why that action was taken.

I doubt anyone has to worry about getting the product that's being ordered. This is obviously an attempt to create a competitive, product and sell it successfully. The risk comes later, as it does with all new companies, if support and warranty claims come into play and the company isn't doing well. This is where the previous incarnation of this company fell flat. He now says he's going to support owners of his previous models, but trust has to be the area of concern. Certainly companies crash and burn and can't honor warranties, but this was a disappearing act, dodging both customers and creditors.

Hopefully a lesson really has been learned, and some character reformed. Some will take a chance that that's the case and others won't, but let's not pretend that previous actions have just been misguided and a case of slow learning. Our official FC attitude is to encourage success for the little guy who can produce a good product and compete with the deep pockets companies, so in that respect we support Versa's efforts to build a good vape (or vapes) and sell it at a reasonable, competitive price. We do have to stick to our rules though, and although we have given 2nd chances to a few members who have had real problems with self control, creating a bogus account for spamming or evading a ban is a deal breaker.

Whether you're pro or anti Versa, please keep your to just that, and let's avoid endlessly debating something that can only be answered down the road, with actual service and support, rather than excuses and promises. If the company is going to sell vaporizers, we certainly hope they're good ones and that all their actions in the future will be ethical and aimed at providing a good experience for customers.

Do we have any proof that Leiana is Chris?

Where we're concerned it doesn't matter. Considering the previous ban, the only way they had any chance of posting here was to be up front with us prior to registration, about his association with Versa. I'm not saying that would have done it, but it was mandatory step #1.

 

[Tweek]

I don't really feel it matters much at this point if Leiana is real or not...what folks need to figure out, is if they want to support this company and will this company support them down the road..unlike past endeavours.

It's never fun when a company drops support of a purchase. For alot of people, the money for a new vape does not come easy.

 

[lwien]

Do we have any proof that Leiana is Chris? For all I know Leiana is a real person, maybe his wife? I don't know but many seem very certain they are one in the same, Leiana ran circles around Chris' posting style.

All I saw from the mods was that Chris was involved in this company, maybe I missed the evidence that Chris is Leiana.

Apparently because of the writing styles and phrasing that HiPi has used in the past.

 

[Silver420Surfer]

I know exactly what he meant and I stand by what I said above, simply because after my enthusiastic support for this company, I now feel..........scammed. It's not a matter of semantics. To say that Chris didn't scam the FC community is simply false. He did so by creating a false personality and presenting his product to FC under false pretenses. How is that...........just semantics?

I heaped praise upon praise for how Versa presented themselves here and it is now totally unwarranted.

When you create a false identity for the purpose of hiding past indiscretions when in the process of asking for funds to support your product.............how in the hell could that be construed as anything but a scam?

Your arguing how @tiukauleh is reading the situation. He's not tryng to change your mind, why do you seem so adamant that we have to see it your way? You see it as a scam, @tiukauleh doesn't.

You aren't gonna support Versa, got it. But then why continue to challenge those who are/may?