Venus Vaporizer

[Grange Goreman]

Hi Hung !

Nice to see you enjoying it again !

I don't think that portable is the best word but transportable is ……

Only a camera bag is needed ….then you go for a Venus trip !

what a pleasure to come to your friends with this thing "in the pocket" ….

impatient to see your pictures (if the siren songs one day leaves you alone)

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Hung,

...in relation to a modified tool for pulling the bulb I think it's a very good question because I know from experience if natural oils from your hands gets on a Halogen bulb it can and will blow out quicker than shit.

To be exact this would be a concern for me as well.

Instruction papers recommends a crochet hook...

That clears the matter! Too bad the tool isn't provided...

...I like replacing the material in the bowl frequently...

Do you plan to cook with ABV?...

...my only pet peeve was how long and hot the bowl stayed after vaporizing...

I suspect my HerbalAire v2.1 crucible would have behaved pretty much the same if it had been made of stainless steel instead of aluminium; there may be room for some modding here...

I'll try to post pictures of any mods I find the time to do...

Rest assured i'll be among those waiting for such developments as there ain't too many halogen-based vapes around! Also, if you ever choose to have a closer peek, please try not to forget to search for a temperature sensor as that's required for thermostatic action (without it one gets control over power instead of temperature)...

Good day, have fun!! {well, i know you're working on it already...}

 

[Grange Goreman]

For industrial users …..nothings better than professional tools ….

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Grange,

...professional tools...

Hummm... If it's really too hot then i wish i could read more about convective vs conductive/radiative heating in the Venus. Good suggestion anyway, though i'd pick the metal container using an edge instead. Which makes me ask: do you think an HerbalAire aluminium crucible can be used as a replacement?... I'd need to search for the exact dimensions but perhaps you've got this information already?

 

[Vlampo]

I received the Venus Vaporizer last week and since I use it a lot

I already posted this in the French-speaking section

to avoid dirt (condensed steam) I pulled the silicone pipe with a tool.

As I didn't like the smell of the original silicone pipe, I cut it and extended with a 7th floor tubing (DBV or SSV)

Overview with a small glass cover

 

[Grange Goreman]

One more user and obviously one more lover !

where are the next ones ?

How a nice device like this can be so poorly ordered and discussed here ?

plus it uses the same heating technology that herbalizer ….three times cheaper ….

maybe portable vaporizer isn't the appropriate section for this boy ?

 

[vorrange]

Hey Vlampo, how is the taste and extraction compared with the Herbo?

It's not the same technology, the Herbalizer uses a 300W halogen. That kind of power is one of the reasons the Herbalizer is so good, plus it has a built-in sensor that adjusts temps automatically.


I think the problem with the Venus is the price coupled with the lack of publicity. Plus, it's a portable home device.
I would consider one if it was cheaper.

 

[Grange Goreman]

I wasn't talking about power but technology , they both are halogenic devices .

And I don't think it s pricey considering an EQ is in the same range .

portable home device : that's exactly why I think It's not in the right section ….the way I use it is 98% plugged

lack of publicity probably .

 

[vorrange]

Yeah, but then you said it was 3times cheaper. Which is why i mentioned the 300W, the lamp alone costs way more than the Venus lamp.

It can be used plugged in? That is something that is not very clear in their website. I thought it could only be used with a battery.

I wouldn't spend 230€ on the EQ either. But i get what you mean... still i think it should be cheaper than an EQ due to all the features the EQ has.

Don't get me wrong, i find the Venus is great. I really do. But i believe that it should be closer to the Buddha in price range, or the Vapolution.

And i think that a more competitive price would be good.

In the website he compares it with a Volcano which of course makes any unit look cheap at 230€, especially for someone not very knowledgeable when it comes to vaporizers.

But to me, the Venus is a battery powered whip vaporizer. Advantages, very small and easily portable and evaluating its design and materials, it must have very good taste and efficiency.

Disadvantages, price.

I can get all the advantages minus the portability/ease of use for ~100€ less. Considering most people will use their units at home, the portability becomes less important.
So, why pay 100€ more?

 

[Grange Goreman]

Hello vorrange !

can you show the type of lamp used by the herbie ? VV's are like these ones

http://www.bax-shop.fr/osram-lampe--2.html?gclid=CIuo89n_2LsCFeTLtAod3GkApg

easily replaceable and really cheap.

of course you can use VV plugged to the wall !

I think that "transportable" is a better word than portable about this boy

the taste and efficiency are really good imo ……imo he blows EQ away in everything: quickness, taste,no need to stir ,session durability,finition …..except if you love balloons
I also think VV is not so pricey considering it's handmade and not industrialized in china

I really don't think it can be compared to the volcano, they are too different .

and of course transportability is a plus ,not a decisive point

which one would you choose in the 130 € range with the same finish and results?

 

[vorrange]

Forget about the lamps, i didn't even know if a 300W halogen lamp looks any different than a 100W or what wattage is used in the Venus. I just think it is a bit strange to compare it with the Herbalizer when one is so simple and the other so complex and the reason why it is more expensive (i don't believe it should be 3x as expensive to be honest).

I'm not the one who compared it with the Volcano, i'm saying that the Venus manufacturer compared his vaporizer with the Volcano.

Like i said, i wouldn't get the EQ either.

If we look at AC units, we have the logs like the HI and Nano. They have better taste and eficiency unless that bowl is smaller than it looks. I don't know what you mean by quick, but i can kill a load in 3 long hits with my HI. And at least the HI is handmade and sold by the maker.

The Lotus is another example of a portable vaporizer flame powered that achieves all you said for half the price. All you miss is electric temp control.

The Vapolution as well, although i don't know how quick it is to finish a load.

The Vapolution and the Lotus cost less than 130€, and the HI costed me 160€ shipped from US.

And like i said, the Buddha is 160€ which is 70€ cheaper, roughly 30%. If the Venus was 160€ i wouldn't hesitate and i mean really wouldn't hesitate to get it instead of the Buddha.

There are no vaporizers like the Venus in Europe, being such a small unit, portable but able to plug in and with such good extraction.
7th floor vapes are almost not sold in EU stores, and most desktop units that are being sold are big units like EQ, HA, and the glass ones like Herbo, Verdamper and etc... all the rest are portables and chinese crap.

There is a great unexplored market in the EU and the VV has the ability to conquer a huge slice of the market but i don't think the price is competitive enough.
Just my opinion, and perhaps there are a million valid reasons for the manufacturer to choose to retail his unit at this price but i think this is the main reason for it not being as popular and the fact that it isn't sold anywhere but his website.

 

[Hung]

Hi guys, interesting mod with the silicone tub but I still prefer the grunge glass mod, I ordered an assortment of glass tubs and actually found one that fits I just haven't had time to work with it.

As far as why the herbey cost more than the venus it's just smoke and mirrors!
I mean why would you even want 300 Watts in something completely surrounded by plastic!
And as far as its temperature control sensor is concerned I haven't tested that particular product but I know most of them claim to have digitally controlled temperature and fancy digital readouts but in reality none of those buzz phrases mean shit to a tree because you still end up with smoke in your mouth .

The problem is regardless of how accurate you may be controlling the temperature the combustion temperature of the material itself is not always the same from one batch to the next and they all change as the material gets super dried

The beauty and true value of the Venus is that it makes those useless gimmicks redundant by simply allowing you to see what's going on in the combustion chamber through that cool retro jelly jar dome, so as soon as you start to see it combust you can simply stop inhaling turned down the simple analog style knob twist off the dome and blow out any smoke that might be in the tub. And just pop back on the dome and have at it again.

Now with all its bells and whistles the herbelizer can't do that , I mean what the hell do I care if the herbelizer has an adjustable dimmer on its digital readout I don't need no stinking readout I can see what's really going on in the combustion chamber not some theoretical assumption of what the ideal temperature is at any given point.
Could the venus be cheaper ? SURE but when you look at its competition it really is a deal.

 

[vorrange]

The thing is, there is a point in having sensors and there is a point in having accurate temperature readouts.

If you don't think you need them, that is an entire different thing. I think the same as you, most of the times. But i would be lying if i said i didn't like to have the Herbalizer to try and use with other herbs and essencial oils and not just cannabis.

And i do believe the Venus value lies in its simplicity and ease of use, and great extraction with minimal losses which is what is most important in the end.
And overall it offers something that few do, which is portability in a desktop unit. I like that a lot.

BUT, i think the competition has competitive prices and the Venus is not really a deal. It is a very good unit with a not very good price.

 

[Vlampo]

Hey Vlampo, how is the taste and extraction compared with the Herbo?

Hi Vorrange,

Herbo = Herborizer, the french vaporizer ? no confusion with Herbalizer ?

- Same extraction, but no preheating (set to 1mn 30 for me on the VV, minimun 10-15 mn for Herborizer )
- Better taste, filtration losing taste with the Herborizer.
IMO, Venus Vaporizer and Da Buddha are comparable, maybe a better taste with DBV...
The both are good vaporizers,

I like VV because it is "transportable" and I can see the vapor inside the glass cover, very important for me this point !

IMO, it's normal VV is more expensive than DBV, to make a VV you needs more time than a DBV, (craftsmanship) and included good battery (LiFEPo4 ).

 

[vorrange]

Yes, the french Herborizer.

Thanks Vlampo. I don't have the funds nor the need for the Herbalizer atm.

Really, i thought the Venus would win compared to the DBV. Do you taste a bit of wood as well or is it the metal, compared to the DBV?

I understand the point about the price being understandably higher, especially since the DBV is made in China but, for what the Venus offers in the end compared to the competition, i believe it should be priced lower than 200€.

And consider one other thing, 230eur is 317USD. So, that is another reason why it isn't competitively priced.

The battery is indeed more expensive. The craftsmanship as well. I get that. I'm not arguing on the fairness of the price comparing the manufacturing costs vs the retail price, in comparison to the same numbers in other vaporizers.

I'm sure the DBV, especially since it is made is China probably has a higher profit margin than the Venus.

But in the end, the profit margin only interests the maker and not the buyer. People buy the experience it gives you more than anything.

My argument is only regarding the lack of popularity of the unit considering its features. In my view, this is due to inadequate pricing, low publicity and low visibility since its only sold in the manufacturers website.

I wouldn't even know the Venus if not for FC. If i was a regular guy, trying to find a vaporizer in a EU online store i would have to be very thorough in my search to find it.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Vorrange,

Forget about the lamps, i didn't even know if a 300W halogen lamp looks any different than a 100W or what wattage is used in the Venus.

It was mentioned in the French section that the Venus uses a 20 Watts @ 6 Volts lamp while the one refered to by Grange (for its Form Factor only, i figure) happens to be 300 Watts @ 230 Volts as you seem to have noticed!

All you miss is electric temp control

I yet have to see an illustrated proof to back my present statement but i seriously doubt there's such a feature in the Venus: the control provided to its owner is over power, not temperature.

...at this price... ...it isn't sold anywhere but his website.

If it were conceived with more consideration for its different air masses inside then i'd argue the Venus could come close enough to the Aromed to prefer it over the later, considering the price and portability. Since we can no longer find a trace of the Switzerland halogen-based Element Medical vaporizers i can't think of many similar examples, in any case...

 

[vorrange]

Thanks for the lamp info, i appreciate it Egzoset.

About temp control, i meant what you said, i just didn't did the efort to be more clear. I, as well, believe there is only the ability to set the power which corresponds to a given temperature and not actual temperature control.

And regarding Element vaporizers, talk to the guy who makes the Vapman, he was the one who made those as well.


And now, a challenge, why haven't you considered making a vaporizer Egzo? You clearly have set expectations that aren't being met with the current vaporizers on the market. Perhaps a mist condicioned halogen whip vape could be your contribution to the vapeworld.

A mix between the Venus and with a log form factor. It could be called The Lightouse.

Considering you want real temp control, its best if you make it a desktop probably.

 

[Egzoset]

Hi again Vorrange,

About temp control, i meant what you said...

Good, i believe you!

And regarding Element vaporizers, talk to the guy who makes the Vapman, he was the one who made those as well.

Yes, actually that's how i made the link. Since you sound like being aware of the Element table models already we may have reached some understanding here i guess.

And now, a challenge... ...a mist conditioned halogen whip vape could be your contribution...

Actually i've moved one step beyond as we don't need to depend on wires to go electric:

FC: Induction Vaporizer (based on "Curie" alloys)​

But this humble contribution of mine, just like all the Fog Conditioning stuff for that matter, really didn't retain much interest so i guess it wasn't convincing enough and hence the business venture you suggest would have went bankrupt, pure and simple.

At the moment my only hope is that collecting such information together might someday contribute in helping to set things in motion, eventually... Here's one more example, in French this time:

FC: L'Induction Magnétique au service du Vaporisme​

When the proper IH kitchen cookware finally hits the local markets i'm confident there's going to be a visionary capable to turn a pan into a heat-exchager, with no wires/seals to manage with, etc. Virtually infinite heat for the application's range at a constant temperature determined by alloy formulation: this would be equivalent to having the power of fire under thermostat control and when it happens i'm sure you'll find that interesting as well. Not to mention the wireless aspect makes it easy to imagine how to generate hot moisturized air as an inlet feed for the main vaporisation chamber (my reconfiguration experiments on the VG pipe inspired some thoughts about that too).

Yet i'm afraid it's nothing but a view of the mind - a challenge so far, as you wrote above.

It could be called The Lightouse.

There's a name on my mind too: LavaWand, a self-humidified whip vape as one variant of the many possible IH concepts... One regret i have relatively to the Venus is that it won't be ready to switch to IH for a while.

 

[vorrange]

Egzoset, it looks promising for sure, at least from what i can understand of the subject.

But at the same time, i believe most won't know how to build a vaporizer from induction heating.

It's up to you! haha.

Lavawand is nice, i like it!

 

[Egzoset]

Happy new year Vorrange!

...i believe most won't know how to build a vaporizer from induction heating.

The IH plate presently exists as a 100 $ CAD off-the-shelf product (sold separately) while thermostatic behaviour results from the Curie alloy itself (e.g. no sensor/wires to close a control loop!)... Quite frankly i fail to see how this is supposed to be challenging, though what i don't know is why these Phytherm pans take so long to show up in stores.

But lets consider something more accessible: fog conditioning. Throughout the years it didn't matter that i suggested 3 different ways to evaluate it using easy-to-find hardware, yet none of these experiment was ever replicated after i reviewed them... So, No! That's simply not true, it's not up to me at all and you'd see a badge right below my alias if i wanted to subscribe as a manufacturer - which doesn't impair my capability to use fair judgment anyway.

Lavawand is nice, i like it!

M'yeah, somehow it spells "More Power than You'll Ever Need" since my IH plate is rated at 1.4 Kilo-Watts and conversion efficiency is said to be excellent in comparison to traditional heater technologies!...

Actually, to some degree, that's what i see in halogen-based vaporizers too; not to mention it would make sense to deliver heat directly inside the heat exchanger itself instead of dealing with transmission losses, especially in a battery-operated vaporizer!

But i guess an halogen lamp is good enough and it's clear the Venus concept has already been proven viable after all - hence the "quickness" which Grange was refering to i believe...

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations everybody,

The recent Venus discussions remind me of a former halogen-based vaporizer known as the VapoLamp:

FC: Vapolamp a take on radiant/convection heat for "moist/dense" material.​

That old thread went inactive after a post of mine, it dates back from last year but it showed some video on it which remains available today:

Vimeo: Vapolamp demonstration (vimeo.com/14154481)
​

Maybe Venus owners will find some interest in trying to identify similitudes and/or differences...

One reason why the Venus brought back reminescences of the VapoLamp to me was because i wish the Venus could be offered as a round-base stripped-down table-only unit with absolutely nothing else inside than an halogen bulb inserted into its heat-exchanger: plug it into a dimmer-controlled AC outlet to vape or just use it like a V-Lamp between cannabic sessions...

So, what i'm saying is there should be a Venus lamp! This way cost would drop considerably and once the customers have been spoiled by evaluating it then some will consider the option of portability using a built-in electronic rheostat run by battery power. Should such a lamp appear on the shelves of local retail stores i'm confident the temptation to jump on the full-blown model will emerge after a while.

Add a multi-colour mobile inside and it becomes an entertaining piece of furniture... Then when all visitors are gone lift the globe, remove that mobile to insert new green in the crucible, put things back on with your whip ready, then enjoy!

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Somebody please post a usage video with the correct herb, showing the exhale. If you would just show us that from the start there would be considerably less eyebrow raising.

 

[unsigned_char72]

I tried to contact people at venusvaporizer.com but they don't reply to emails or their contact form.

What do you think, it's just a bad customer service or they went out of business?

I started to worry about my order.

 

[Lemon Curry?]

Somebody please post a usage video with the correct herb, showing the exhale. If you would just show us that from the start there would be considerably less eyebrow raising.

Exhale not shown, though, sorry

 

[unsigned_char72]

ok, finally got a reply from customer service, they are just busy building vaporizers for everybody

while waiting for my unit, please can someone tell me what is the screw diameter size of the glass cover?