Vaping and heart health

C No Ego

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I posted a link below to an interesting article regarding combustion and heart issues such as myocardial infarction (rare but cases do exist)
What do you think of this? What do you think of vaping and heart health?


http://blog.clinicalmonster.com/2015/12/09/stoned-heart/

look up Dr David Allen, a heart surgeon who quit practice to help further the cannabinoid cause. he says it is the best heart protection , up to thirty days active protection from first initial use

edit - and with vaping you are super oxygenating your body with lots of air and breath . the vapor is wispy in some cases. smoke just clings and takes the breath away and the oxygen...
 

shredder

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I posted a link below to an interesting article regarding combustion and heart issues such as myocardial infarction (rare but cases do exist)
What do you think of this? What do you think of vaping and heart health?


http://blog.clinicalmonster.com/2015/12/09/stoned-heart/

The "evidence" isn't there. The study admits that, and admits there is counter evidence that it protects the heart. Worth keeping an eye on, yes, but no need to declare a health crisis.

I have worked with cannabis patients that also had heart issues. Both we're long term cigarette and cannabis smokers, and didn't seem to suffer anything from smoking herb.

But a new to mj patient with heart issues might be different. Some varieties can cause a racing heart and or panic. For them I'd go super slow using CBD and micro dosing non racy herb. And of course vape over smoking.
 

Alexis

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Well I have to say from what I have experienced personally and the little I have heard from the scientific community vaporizing cannabis specifically is actually potentially extraordinarily beneficial and protective for heart health.

I personally have had several heart infections in the past one of which was particularly serious a viral infection and my symptoms at the time were really frightening me that my life was in danger for weeks on end.

I was on a vapour break at the time and I had to stop my cannabis edibles because strangely they exacerbated my heart symptoms each time like an intolerance reaction.

I was in a really bad place and frightened until I started vaporizing again and immediately my heart function normalised and stabilized and stayed that way until the viral infection had finally been treated and cleared with absolutely no lasting harm.

I then heard of a specialist world leading front line heart disease hospital in Israel where one of the primary treatment methods is vaporized cannabinoids.

Smoking cannabis and vaporizing cannabis are vastly different things in terms of both the potential harm ma and impact and the the potential additional benefits and support.

When you vaporize the cannabinoids they have a very immediate access to the heart via the lungs and this is one of the reasons I believe why this delivery method is so effective in this way.

So far from just saying no need to be afraid actually the opposite there is evidence an indication that vaporizing cannabis can improve and protect your heart help and would probably be beneficial to many people suffering from types of heart disease.

This is really important information if this is genuinely correct as I have experienced and heard and being informed.

So please everybody be mindful and memorable of this and get this information out there for others benefit.
 

Truth Seeker

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Well let's look at the differences between combustion and vaping for heart health.
The oxygen depravation and and asphyxiates that occur during combustion I don't think render a positive effect upon heart health. Micro dosing combustion say 2-4 hits per session is probably vastly different than people doing massive amounts of inhalations.

Supposedly the dangers that could possibly occur to the heart would happen within the first hour after combusting this is when the risk is increased for a cardiac event. I don't think vaping poses anywhere near the risk profile that combusting does but there is fairly decent data on this risk and combustion of MJ.

This might just be another major benefit for flower vaping and another nail in the coffin for combustion.
Obviously the risk profile of the individual is everything regarding combustion and heart hearth risks as the typical healthy person the risk is low.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if concentrates are eventually proven to show a detrimental effect to the heart.
@C No Ego I really did enjoy watching a video by Dr David Allen! Thanks for the heads up! He's been smoking daily since he was 17! He doesn't seem to think there's any issues at all with combustion or at least doesn't touch the topic regarding smoking MJ and heart health. Also, bringing up combustion and heart health might not help the "cause" of MJ so it just might not be something he's into touching on?
 

C No Ego

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Well let's look at the differences between combustion and vaping for heart health.
The oxygen depravation and and asphyxiates that occur during combustion I don't think render a positive effect upon heart health. Micro dosing combustion say 2-4 hits per session is probably vastly different than people doing massive amounts of inhalations.

Supposedly the dangers that could possibly occur to the heart would happen within the first hour after combusting this is when the risk is increased for a cardiac event. I don't think vaping poses anywhere near the risk profile that combusting does but there is fairly decent data on this risk and combustion of MJ.

This might just be another major benefit for flower vaping and another nail in the coffin for combustion.
Obviously the risk profile of the individual is everything regarding combustion and heart hearth risks as the typical healthy person the risk is low.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if concentrates are eventually proven to show a detrimental effect to the heart.
@C No Ego I really did enjoy watching a video by Dr David Allen! Thanks for the heads up! He's been smoking daily since he was 17! He doesn't seem to think there's any issues at all with combustion or at least doesn't touch the topic regarding smoking MJ and heart health. Also, bringing up combustion and heart health might not help the "cause" of MJ so it just might not be something he's into touching on?

Dr Donald Tashkin too has the best cannabis smoke research so far as to effects an harms ETC.
 

Alexis

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@Alexis I was going to mention the Israel hospital that uses the volcano for heart conditions too, thanks for bringing it up... for reference, do you know which hospital it actually is ? thanks again
No I'm sorry, I never inquired any details or kept reference of the source. But I think I may have since caught glimpse of it on TV at some point, it rings a bell anyway.

So I imagine it is pretty well known and will probably be quite easy to search and identify.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than one of these types of hospitals in Israel which would be nice to hear of.

It really was a remarkable affect I observed and experienced myself at that time literally from the moment I started vaporizing my heart function was immediately normalised and kept stable and healthy and I didn't feel any negative symptoms and was able to clear the virus fairly quickly from there.

My resting pulse is mostly low 50s the majority of the time and my blood pressure and cholesterol have all been exceptionally healthy over the years of my illness no matter how poorly I have been in other ways and in general, and this is also while consuming a very high natural fats and natural salt diet like 10 g + of unrefined salt daily but was no refined added salt in any of my diet.

In my mind vaporizing cannabis is unquestionably supportive to the health of my heart.
It may be more true with genuinely clean organic cannabis.

As I have emphasised before and this does puzzle me a little bit because it doesn't appear to be as blatantly clear cut in the cannabis world, but in all my years of living my solid and consistent experience has been that with all types of foods, herbs, spices and supplements the organic form is significantly and noticeably more Potent all-round especially aroma and flavour and especially medicinal efficacy.

And the most important point is as I have been extremely in tune with my outrageously over sensitive and over reactive body, largely by nature and as a necessity to manage my allergies and walk the narrow tightrope I do in life, I have genuinely been able to observe a marked and enormous difference between the level of medicinal benefits I received from organic items vs non organic and I just would not bother with anything which I consider an important remedy or medicine for health support if it is not organic.

So when it comes to cannabis on paper the same should apply right? Chemically grown weed should never be able to reach the same medicinal potential as genuinely clean as can be organic (in this modern polluted world at least).


Sorry guys. I'm very high on, you guessed it: "Clean as can be organic weed" :lol:

Wow mum and I did superb this summer. And the cure, oh my word it takes me off guard every year. I realise now that I simply don't expect to notice the difference because it's little by little and I'm using the same product each day so it's like not noticing your hair or nails growing.

But every year it catches me out because suddenly there is a very noticeable increase in potency after about 7 or 8 weeks of proper curing. It suddenly steps up I swear, and is two or 3 times as Potent as to begin with.

By Christmas, it gets even better as well. Right, my evening, pre-meal, post vapor seshing, digestive edible dose is ready. VERY psychoactive too. Love my combo of vapor and edibles, it's like tipping on a see saw, keeping balanced effects going with ease. :)
 

Grobalot

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A categorization problem, but, I'll put it here--even though it is about ecig. They've found a mechanism of cardiovascular harm from ecig "vaping".

https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/advance-article/doi/10.1093/eurheartj/ehz772/5621442

i've just started on an ecig again and last night i had a massive pulsing headache behind my left eye and chest pains over my heart. i though it was just me feeling particularly shitty. today i had a few drags and similar effects happened. also when i smoke cannabis with tobacco, my heart rate skyrockets (mainly with sativas) and its scary at times. vaporizing raises my heart rate a little, but not as much as combined with tobacco.
my health is really poor as it is but i definitely don't want to make things worse.
think i might have to stop using my ecig again and just try and ride it out.
this thread has had my interest for a little while now so i'll be watching and looking into it myself
 

guyonthecouch

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It really was a remarkable affect I observed and experienced myself at that time literally from the moment I started vaporizing my heart function was immediately normalised and kept stable and healthy and I didn't feel any negative symptoms and was able to clear the virus fairly quickly from there.

@Alexis which vaporizer did you use when you started consuming again?
 
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Alexis

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@Alexis which vaporizer did you use when you started consuming again?
Herborizer XL. But it is not even model-specific as long as you have a good quality device producing good quality vapor and basically extracting and delivering the actives you will receive the benefits.

However I can promise you that not all devices are equally effective in a medicinal sense at actually delivering the full medicinal potential of the herb and certain devices are way more effective in this regard two particular desktops which have strongly impressed me with their medicinal potential and transference of the benefits of the herb are the Newvape Flowerpot, and Herborizer Ti.
 
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