FlowersInTheAttic
Member
Are there any instructions? I've seen them used but not actually used one myself (plus it's been seven years). I'm not 100% clear on how the valve prop/tamp works with the loose glass valve to control airflow.
Valloon by VripTech
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Are there any instructions? I've seen them used but not actually used one myself (plus it's been seven years). I'm not 100% clear on how the valve prop/tamp works with the loose glass valve to control airflow.
Instructions are online at Vriptech.com
The valve works by lowering the upper glass piece (the bit the bag is attached to with o-rings) down onto the lower glass piece, that raises the stainless pin up into the valve and opens it up. When you pull it back off again the valve will close, and open up in the same way when you attach the mouthpiece or downstem for the VWT.
It's not air-tight, but it's fine for walking around - I put my thumb over the mouthpiece/downstem hole if I'm not inhaling straight away, or a piece of blu-tak putty if I need to keep it for a while before use. Getting a stainless steel spring into the valve to get it approaching air-tight would be very difficult, but it'd be a great upgrade if it was possible - I'd expect the price to go up though as that's very fiddly work.
The valve works by lowering the upper glass piece (the bit the bag is attached to with o-rings) down onto the lower glass piece, that raises the stainless pin up into the valve and opens it up. When you pull it back off again the valve will close, and open up in the same way when you attach the mouthpiece or downstem for the VWT.
It's not air-tight, but it's fine for walking around - I put my thumb over the mouthpiece/downstem hole if I'm not inhaling straight away, or a piece of blu-tak putty if I need to keep it for a while before use. Getting a stainless steel spring into the valve to get it approaching air-tight would be very difficult, but it'd be a great upgrade if it was possible - I'd expect the price to go up though as that's very fiddly work.
FlowersInTheAttic
Member
Thanks. Could you give me a more specific URL? I've been all over that site and haven't found them. They're definitely not on the "Step-By-Step" page with all the other instructions.
Ah right, looks like the link isn't up yet but you can find it here: http://vriptech.com/valloon_step.htm
Sorry for the long absence Family I have been out of pocket and Shadow is beyond out of pocket. We do have the original Valloon instructions and the link http://vriptech.com/valloon_step.htm is good it's just not listed on the step by step page for some reason. We're long overdue a website rebuild and I'm intending on putting the energy in this winter as soon as we get through the fall harvest and the holiday rush --- we'll be sure to update the Valloon instructions and get them posted. We're also going to be getting some videos posted. Alright back to the madness --- as always if you need info and aren't getting a reply here please hit us up at info@vriptech.com. Another run of Valloons was just finished so there are some pieces in stock again and all back orders just shipped.
Zingbuddah
Vaporologist
Any idea how long the wait is for this? I haven't been able to get a response via email.
-Z
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biojuggernaut
Snob
what heatgun would I have to buy??.. vrip outsources their glass blowers so sometimes it takes time...
Zingbuddah
Vaporologist
Rolls Royce of Heat Guns
http://www.amazon.com/Steinel-Programmable-IntelliTemp-Display-Without/dp/B002NKM1MK
Best for the Buck (What I have)
http://www.amazon.com/Makita-HG1100-100-Degree-Heat/dp/B00004YOKV/ref=pd_sbs_indust_4
Both have a ceramic core and work great, just depends on your budget.
Side Note: Received my Valloon (and much more) and working on putting together a YT vid on my experience.
Very easy to use once you get the hang of it.
-Z
http://www.amazon.com/Steinel-Programmable-IntelliTemp-Display-Without/dp/B002NKM1MK
Best for the Buck (What I have)
http://www.amazon.com/Makita-HG1100-100-Degree-Heat/dp/B00004YOKV/ref=pd_sbs_indust_4
Both have a ceramic core and work great, just depends on your budget.
Side Note: Received my Valloon (and much more) and working on putting together a YT vid on my experience.
Very easy to use once you get the hang of it.
-Z
Egzoset
Banned
Salutations,
I think the reader might want to compare with this model from Steinel:
Steinel HG 2310 LCD (type 34870)
If i'm correct then one should find that this particular model has the lowest available flow rate, which is a prefered feature for some applications such as the Valoon vaporizer. I'd try to save cash for a water toy, as i like to call them. In fact water conditioning of our cannabic vapor is no triviality at all so lets not forget the expense adds up to the overall cost or... ...it's better to be pleased later than sorry now, especially a 1st time. Etc... Which is why this specific model would appear to be a resonable trade-off to consider before taking a definitive buyer decision.
...and look around for a water toy...
I think the reader might want to compare with this model from Steinel:
Steinel HG 2310 LCD (type 34870)
If i'm correct then one should find that this particular model has the lowest available flow rate, which is a prefered feature for some applications such as the Valoon vaporizer. I'd try to save cash for a water toy, as i like to call them. In fact water conditioning of our cannabic vapor is no triviality at all so lets not forget the expense adds up to the overall cost or... ...it's better to be pleased later than sorry now, especially a 1st time. Etc... Which is why this specific model would appear to be a resonable trade-off to consider before taking a definitive buyer decision.
...and look around for a water toy...
Zingbuddah
Vaporologist
$260 vs $80 would be a better deal? Not sure I understand why this would be a better option.
Flow rate is less of an issue than temp....I've had no issues filling at high speed as long as the temp is correct.
Still using a candy thermometer to get my temp right but so far I'm digging the Valloon....
Just need a party to go to now!
-Z
Zingbuddah
Vaporologist
Euh...
The deal i had in mind amounts to 50.93 $ exactly, judging from the same source as mentioned before:
Steinel HG2310 LCD 212.99 $ (my suggestion)
Steinel HG2510 ESD 263.92 $ (what was suggested previously in the present thread)
Vaporists don't need the "ESD" option...
Still....$212 vs $80?
http://www.amazon.com/Makita-HG1100-100-Degree-Heat/dp/B00004YOKV/ref=pd_sbs_indust_4
I've used both the Steinel, the re-branded version as well as the Makita, all three perform great with the only difference between the three being price.
I think my Makita is on year nine of service with Vrip products...
-Z
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
does that mean this does come with the o-ring to run it on a volcano? what is the difference between 9.5 and 12mm versions? tia
Zingbuddah
Vaporologist
No o-ring for the Volcano. The easy valve fits right inside the VEI but you would need a seal at the top. I've set it on top of the Volcano as well as on the easy valve with major leakage out of the sides. I could be missing something, but the instructions don't mention it.
I'll give it a shot with some herb and report back. Are you trying to avoid picking up the heat gun?
The difference with the 9.5mm and 12mm is what slide you are fitting it to. Think of the old style VCB's where there was an o-ring instead of a GonG joint.
If you ever want to see a live performance, drop me a PM and we can Skype demo on it....you just have to show me your dual-Persei!
-Z
I'll give it a shot with some herb and report back. Are you trying to avoid picking up the heat gun?
The difference with the 9.5mm and 12mm is what slide you are fitting it to. Think of the old style VCB's where there was an o-ring instead of a GonG joint.
If you ever want to see a live performance, drop me a PM and we can Skype demo on it....you just have to show me your dual-Persei!
-Z
Bob Loblaw
Astralnaut
yea, i already have a digi 'cano. no need to buy another vape. saw this mentioned in the 'cano thread and then saw they were making them again. am confused as i am unfamiliar w/ the vcb and only mm gongs i know are 14.4 and 18.8. looking for an all glass chamber
might take you up on that skype demo. can bust out dual persei for ya. should have my mobius matrix by this weekend. live works better. vrip's step by step instructions don't really help much. if i can figure out an effective way to use this on the 'cano i'd be stoked. otherwise, planetvape is supposedly coming out with a cano bag to glas attachment, illadelph makes one and i've rigged an ECTWA (whip to gong style attachment) straight to my ez valve chamber for now. that one is nice as it allows me to have forced air vapor bong tokes
Alright folks I'm back, sorry for the long absence wrapped up with some white collar travels and work on the mountain, and for some reason, I always seem to be driven to the VHW thread here on FC when I've got a moment online. We will get some improved instructions and a video demo up this winter, but as always please hit us up at info@vriptech.com if you're not getting a satisfactory answer here from a Valloon Vet and haven't figured it out by way of self discovery vapor R&D (one of my favorite past times LOL!). To be clear all of the Steinel made heat guns with continously variable temp control including private label ones like the Makita HG1100 feature a ceramic core and stainless nozzle of the same dimension so will work with the Valloon. Also it is fact, you can compensate for the higher air flow of most of the guns by simply running a slightly higher temp as ZingBuddah pointed out. That said, I do believe you can get the fuller spectrum vapor faster by using a lower air flow that is only available on the 2310 and 2510 models that Egzoset was comparing but it's a big cost difference that has to be considered in the whole equation of things --- the ESD option is probably unnecessary unless you've got poor power supply and does cost a few more bucks. Because the Valloon was born out of a demand by our customers-in-common with Storz and Bickel Volcano many years ago for a glass extraction chamber and valve that would enable the bag capture and delivery convenience, but with the Vrip flavor advantage they had become accustomed to with the Vrip HG system, we originally spec'd it with a special silicone o-ring that could be adapted to the Volcano base so that you could fill Valloons with the Volcano heat base. Our granted utility patent that allows us to sell the Valloon today is based upon an "Intraconvertible Thermal Extraction and Delivery System" model so the heat tool must be compatible with other configurations which the Volcano base is NOT, but the Steinels are. So we cannot legally provide the o-ring that would make it work and besides we respect (athough do not necessarily agree with) Storz and Bickel's wishes to not work with other manufacturers on compatible accessories. There are others out there doing it anyway, but not Vrip. Besides Vrip is of the firm belief that aluminum elements and rubber diaphragms (the Volcano heat and forced air design) are not the ideal approach to full spectrum and aromatically pure vapor which is our priority ALWAYS --- if you rig it up side by side with the Valloon on the Volcano base and a Steinel HG, and assuming the same aromatically-dense-enough-to-taste-the-difference herbs, you WILL taste the difference. Both will deliver the actives, but one will taste better (and gives you the water/ice moisture conditioning that Vrip is also of the belief is of paramount importance for long term vapor enjoyment. It is likely due to the fact that an aluminum heating core polarizes the hot air used for the extraction, whereas a non-alumina ceramic heating core that encapsulates the nichrome element on the Steinels does not (your air flow is heated by a non-alumina ceramic core) --- the polarity of the convective air flow WILL affect the expression of the terpene spectrum (aromatics) extracted and delivered as will the polarity of the materials used for the extraction chamber (glass and quartz are far superior to any metal) to say nothing of the geometry of the extraction chamber whereas a venturi inducing shape will always work better than a straight bore everything else being the same. We here at VripTech will never understand why Vaporizer manufacturers --- especially high-end ones --- do not utilize the advantages of proper flow form physics for better extractions --- this knowledge has been open source public domain since at least the 17th century???!!! And the difference between the 9.5 and 12mm kits is the Valloon to VWT (or any water tool) connection slide size. We do now have a 14.4mm adaptor that needs to be put on the site but is available for a few extra bucks for those that want to adapt to a GonG connection. We'll eventually make an 18.8mm adaptor too! Hopefully that answers all of the questions and provides some Vrip-centric context!!! Thanks for the support and patience Vrip family!
Zingbuddah
Vaporologist
Keeping with my tradition, I broke my first part on the Valloon.
Just parted with my Volcano and wanted a bag vape experience (moving to a manual from digi volcano) and broke out my 007 kit. Got everything ready to shoot a quick vid and grabbed the bag with the valve body on the end and it swung like a pendulum into a nearby jar and smashed into a zillion bits....
So now I'm PO, out another $40 and trying to figure out how not to do it again. S&B's got it easy with the plastic mouthpieces and bag attachment....I'm used to a durable bag.
I was thinking a silicone sleeve (think wii controller cover) might be enough cushion to keep it from breaking under gentle bumps and drops.
Anyone want to help me brainstorm a fix while I'm waiting for a new part?
-Z
Just parted with my Volcano and wanted a bag vape experience (moving to a manual from digi volcano) and broke out my 007 kit. Got everything ready to shoot a quick vid and grabbed the bag with the valve body on the end and it swung like a pendulum into a nearby jar and smashed into a zillion bits....
So now I'm PO, out another $40 and trying to figure out how not to do it again. S&B's got it easy with the plastic mouthpieces and bag attachment....I'm used to a durable bag.
I was thinking a silicone sleeve (think wii controller cover) might be enough cushion to keep it from breaking under gentle bumps and drops.
Anyone want to help me brainstorm a fix while I'm waiting for a new part?
-Z
axakal
Well-Known Member
almost 7 years ago my journey into vaporizing started with a diy setup using a heat gun. after impressive results i abandoned the heat gun approach in favor of other devices. since then my heat gun is laying around, waiting for her turn to come back. every time i try out one friend's volcano, i want to use the heat gun with a bag, what i actually didn't back then. partly because the valoon got discontinued and i didn't bother for other solutions. now, browsing through old threads, i happily found out, that the valoon is back.
the question is, is my heat gun up to the task? i have got one bosch with a digital display. it must be the phg 630 DCE, i have to verify it yet. back then i didn't know about different heating elements and a display was the highest priority for me. now, i know, that the heating element has to be ceramic. unfortunatelly, the bosch web page doesn't provide any information on the heating element.
does anybody know, if the bosch heat guns are generally a propper choice for vaporizinig purposes?
the question is, is my heat gun up to the task? i have got one bosch with a digital display. it must be the phg 630 DCE, i have to verify it yet. back then i didn't know about different heating elements and a display was the highest priority for me. now, i know, that the heating element has to be ceramic. unfortunatelly, the bosch web page doesn't provide any information on the heating element.
does anybody know, if the bosch heat guns are generally a propper choice for vaporizinig purposes?
Anyone seen this at Harbor Freight,
http://www.harborfreight.com/professional-heat-gun-with-digital-temperature-settings-97114.html
its like $27.99, 12 settings for temp,
Please let me know if you think this might work on a budget, with the Vallons
http://www.harborfreight.com/professional-heat-gun-with-digital-temperature-settings-97114.html
its like $27.99, 12 settings for temp,
Please let me know if you think this might work on a budget, with the Vallons
WaxOnWaxOff
Well-Known Member
Anyone seen this at Harbor Freight,
http://www.harborfreight.com/professional-heat-gun-with-digital-temperature-settings-97114.html
its like $27.99, 12 settings for temp,
Please let me know if you think this might work on a budget, with the Vallons
I've tried using one like that and it did not work well. I don't recall if it was the same model, but even with several temperature options I was not able to find the sweet spot. It was either too much or too little heat. If you're going to be breathing the air from this thing, I am of the opinion that it's worth going with a proven/tested unit.
On an unrelated note, I feel like this is the most underrated vaporizer out there. Best flavor and efficiency I have experienced, by quite a large margin.