upgrading from extreme q, suggestion for vaporizer?

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stanley1131

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i have an extreme q and I dont really like it because after i took it apart i found a piece of melted plastic under the ceramic heater between 2 wires. Also i found there to be too much draw resistance when using a whip and the hits were never thick enough. I did like the lcd temp display/adjustablility of it. For my new vape these are my requirements

-no toxic parts/offgassing
-minimal draw resistance
-heater doesn't cool off too quickly when taking big hits
-lcd temp display (optional)
-decent herb capacity, i'm not looking for a vape that conserves
-glass mouthpiece (optional)

vapes i've seen and considered so far are the underdog, enano, SOLO,lightsaber vaporizer but non of them meet all my requirements.

edit: I'm still open to suggestions but now i'm considering a cloud evo or lsv. Main concerns are which one has less draw resistance, which heater doesn't cool off as fast/ gives fatter hits, and whether they produce toxic fumes or off tastes from crappy parts. Also for the lsv is there a bent neck bubbler style transfer wand/mouthpiece out there? The stock one looks long and awkward to hit, i noticed the cloud evo has one but its a female joint
 
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My first vape was the Extreme. I later wanted more from the whip experience and got an SSV...very satisfied. Then I got a Cloud (now the EVO) and never looked back.

Other than the digital display, the EVO hits all your points and is what I consider to be the finest vape I have ever owned. After that I would consider the SSV (made by the same guys who make the LSV, with the same heating technology).
 
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FWIW, I think the digital displays are nice, but don't find them to be necessary. It's pretty easy to dial in to your sweet spots on an analog marker once you've test driven them just a little bit.

I think any of your four would be good choices, although the Solo might not hit hard enough for you? You'd want a vvps to go with your Underdog, naturally. But it sounds like the LSV would suit you pretty well if you'll sacrifice the digital display.

Do you want to leave it on all day? How much are you looking to spend?

If you can, I'd get a desktop as well as a Solo... The Solo is a really great compliment to pretty much any desktop, but it does have some draw resistance that may not be to your liking...

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Orignal Sublimator - but they need to be modded with a new dimmer switch and a watt meter....... Then it is perfect
 
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stanley1131 said:
i have an extreme q and I dont really like it because after i took it apart i found a piece of melted plastic under the ceramic heater between 2 wires. Also i found there to be too much draw resistance when using a whip and the hits were never thick enough. I did like the lcd temp display/adjustablility of it. For my new vape these are my requirements

-no toxic parts/offgassing
-minimal draw resistance
-heater doesn't cool off too quickly when taking big hits
-lcd temp display (optional)
-decent herb capacity, i'm not looking for a vape that conserves
-glass mouthpiece (optional)

vapes i've seen and considered so far are the underdog, enano, SOLO,lightsaber vaporizer but non of them meet all my requirements.
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Another approach...
* Remove that piece of mica... it's been stated that it is not needed.
* Then implement this -->
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-extreme-q-vaporizer.1457/page-235#post-436972

Your concerns, thicker hits and draw resistance, are addressed with this mod.
 
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stanley1131 said:
Also i found there to be too much draw resistance when using a whip and the hits were never thick enough. I did like the lcd temp display/adjustablility of it. For my new vape these are my requirements

-minimal draw resistance
-decent herb capacity, i'm not looking for a vape that conserves

vapes i've seen and considered so far are the underdog, enano, SOLO,lightsaber vaporizer but non of them meet all my requirements.
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Well I would take the Underdog, the Nano, and the Solo off the list. They all use pretty small bowls. Especially the Solo, draw resistance is heavy on that one.
 
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stanley1131

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well that leaves only the lsv.... anything similar to it but with a digital temp display? Also are there any other mouthpiece for the lsv, the stock one seems really long and awkward to, hit i'm thinking a bent neck bubbler style would suit it better. I'm also open to any other suggestions, i dont really have a budget as long as the cost is justified,the evo cloud seems interesting but at $400+ im really dissapointed it doesn't have a lcd screen

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Well I would take the Underdog, the Nano, and the Solo off the list. They all use pretty small bowls. Especially the Solo, draw resistance is heavy on that one.
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Can you suggest one with a bigger bowl then? Small bowls aren't really a problem as long as they still produce big hits but i realise bigger bowl usually mean better hits
 
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stanley1131

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stickstones said:
There is a glass blower on this site making nano stems with a movable screen that allows bigger loads by pushing the screen deeper into the stem.
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do you know any glass blowers that make lsv mouth pieces? Im thinking a bubbler bent neck style one would work better than the stock straight tube
 
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stanley1131

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thanks for the link
i noticed you owned both a lsv and evo, is the over 2x price of the evo worth it? Why would you suggest a ssv over the lsv?other than the looks how are they different?I was leaning towards the lsv because of the idea glass mouth piece instead of silicone tubing but i worry the mouth piece will be too long and make it awkward to hit, do you prefer lsv with mouthpiece or a ssv with whip?
That's the thread. Once he gets things going he will probably do some custom work, assuming he doesn't get overwhelmed with stems and such. You can ask him...[/QUOTE]
 
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I prefer the lsv to the ssv because I hit everything through water. Otherwise I would want the whip and get the ssv. You can hit the lsv with the glass transfer wand and it should taste better than the whip, but it is too harsh for me (not for others) and it doesn't sit well on a table.

The hit from the EVO is different from the LSV. I find it tastier and smoother. But the best thing about it is that you don't have to regulate your draw. You just hit the EVO as hard or soft as you want and it handles it. With the LSV you need to find your sweet spot in your draw speed. Once you find it you are golden. I recently took both vapes to a vapor noob's house for comparison and they all liked the EVO better because of the brainless draw speed aspect. I don't know how much more they would pay for it...that is an individual thing. But I always tell people that if they don't have any glass and were going to spend $250+ for glass for it, then go for the EVO. If you don't have glass and want a nice piece then the EVO becomes price competitive with the LSV. But if you already have a glass piece you want to use, the LSV becomes one of the best values on the market for quality of experience.
 
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FWIW digital temperature read outs on convection style vapes are completely worthless because the temperature of the air hitting the herb depends a lot on your draw speed. Learning where to set a nob takes all of about 2 sessions aND 375 on the eq may not work the same as 375 on a different vape so you would still need to learn the proper setting for a new vape with a digital readout.
 
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clouded vision said:
FWIW digital temperature read outs on convection style vapes are completely worthless because the temperature of the air hitting the herb depends a lot on your draw speed. Learning where to set a nob takes all of about 2 sessions aND 375 on the eq may not work the same as 375 on a different vape so you would still need to learn the proper setting for a new vape with a digital readout.
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I would add that ambient temp and wind/draft can really have an effect on cooling the glass.

My EQ was under performing one time, took me awhile to figure out it was the fan I had running across the room.
 
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clouded vision said:
FWIW digital temperature read outs on convection style vapes are completely worthless ....
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Not so. Even if the temp displayed isn't accurate, it's still a reference point, therefore the display has value.
 
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max said:
Not so. Even if the temp displayed isn't accurate, it's still a reference point, therefore the display has value.
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We can argue semantecs if you would like but a digital readout has no added value that a nob does not, if anything it can lull users into a false sense of security thinking they are vaping at a certain temperature when it isn't accurate.
I suppose I should have said they are no more worthwhile than any other type of temperature control such as nobs or even portables with 5 or 7 fixed temperature settings.
 
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I get your point, and it's valid, but you went too far with "completely worthless". I've cautioned people for years about the accuracy of cheap digital box vapes, but I always point out the value of the display as a reference point, once you figure out your preferred setting.
 
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stanley1131

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im either going to get da buddha or lsv, mainly because da buddha is almost half the price of a ssv and is basically the same. I like the transfer wand of the lsv but it looks kind of awkward to hit, what your preference... whip or transfer wand. I did not like the whip on my eq as it had too much drag, does da buddha + whip drag alot?
 
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No the 7th floor whips are pretty wide open, so is the airpath. If you plan to vape through water then you should definitely get the LSV. Using the transfer wand can be awkward but the flavor is amazing, second only to the VXC of the dozen or so vapes I've owned. The DBV will be much more comfortable to use dry regularly, plus it can be left on 24/7 (the LSV can as well but it gets too hot to hold unless you leave it hanging or propped straight up), you can taste the whip but it is faint. Those are the basic differences so you can decide what's most important to you.

BTW, based on the first post, I haven't followed the Evo thread but if it is more reliable and slightly outperforms the original VXC, which I have read from user comparisons, then the Evo is worth every penny. If I hadn't become such an oil head, I would definitely own one but I haven't touched flowers in months now.
 
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stanley1131

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thanks for all the input guys, i'll be ordering da buddha real soon. i really wish the lsv could be propped upright and have a whip function too, that would make it perfect. If i really like da buddha i may upgrade to a cloud evo, but so far out of all the vaporizers i tried i still prefer a good old fashioned bong hit so i dont want to drop $450 on a cloud when i can get da buddha for $130


edit: i found a cloud exhale for 283 + tax... is this legit?

http://www.rakuten.com/prod/vapexha...r&adid=29963&gclid=CJPA67O6ir8CFXNo7Aod43EAwQ
 
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It may or may not be but that is the old model which had lots of problems and does not have a warranty anymore, and there have been a lot made with faulty parts by a manufacturer that VXH hired originally but is now suing. I wouldn't buy that unless you could just as easily throw that money away. The Evo was supposed to fix all the reliability problems and I think it did but you would have to check out the thread for yourself.
 
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clouded vision said:
No the 7th floor whips are pretty wide open, so is the airpath. If you plan to vape through water then you should definitely get the LSV. Using the transfer wand can be awkward but the flavor is amazing, second only to the VXC of the dozen or so vapes I've owned. The DBV will be much more comfortable to use dry regularly, plus it can be left on 24/7 (the LSV can as well but it gets too hot to hold unless you leave it hanging or propped straight up), you can taste the whip but it is faint. Those are the basic differences so you can decide what's most important to you.

BTW, based on the first post, I haven't followed the Evo thread but if it is more reliable and slightly outperforms the original VXC, which I have read from user comparisons, then the Evo is worth every penny. If I hadn't become such an oil head, I would definitely own one but I haven't touched flowers in months now.
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Last questions i promise... i saw that people complain alot about how dbv bowl sits horizontal so the herb may spill.... can i just tape a eraser or something to the bottom so it has a downward angle?Wouldn't that be that make it the exact same as a ssv? Also a friend of mine brought up that when you vaporize though a wand there is a possibility of inhaling fine uncombusted material which may cause that "vapor tickle", do you think that will affect your health? I'm having such a hard time making up my mind.. but i definitely narrowed it down to dbv, ssv. Also is it more comfortable to hit a dbv/ssv with whip and waterpipe adapter through abong than a lsv? it kind of bothers me how you have to hold the lsv to the waterpipe instead of being hands free, either way it seems like 7th floor makes the best vapes for the $$.
 
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You could put something under the DBV but it won't be stable because the base is round.
As for inhaling fine particulates, yes that can happen but it is plant material which the body easily breaks down and/or expels. Think about it, you are inhaling plant matter particulate (along with dust, dead skin, bugs, toxins, etc) all day long, nothing to be concerned about and still much better than inhaling plant material with ash and tar when you combust.
The LSV is hands down the best and easiest of the 3 to use through water even though you have to hold it. My SSV had the regular heater cover so I had to hold the wand and hold the WPA in my piece, with the DBV you will still probably want to hold the wand in place so you don't accidentally pull it out and have it hit the table and break. With the LSV it feels pretty natural for a bong smoker, the LSV just takes the place of the lighter.

BTW don't worry about asking so many questions, that's exactly what this section is here for, lots of us enjoy talking about vaporizers and are happy to offer our opinions and experiences, besides it gives me something to do on a lazy Sunday morning
 
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