Trying to tell the difference between Sativa and Indica a/k/a The Great Crafty Derail

[pakalolo]

This thread was created by moving 29 posts from The Crafty by Storz & Bickel thread, therefore some comments and quotes might seem out of place.

 

[Volteric]

@DMPesso

There was a study done with smoked vs vaped where the THC was slightly higher with vapor than combustion. They used a volcano as the vaporizer. There may have been one other study if I recall confirming that vaped cannabis was obviously healthier and has as much if not higher amounts of THC in the blood.

I'm of the opinion that smoking/combusting gives the illusion you're higher because of all the noxious carbon monoxide not higher thc.

 

[YetAnotherUsername]

The study

 

[Volteric]

The study

Here ya go: http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/...-Drastically-Reduce-Toxins-in-Marijuana-Smoke

"The study used standard NIDA cannabis with 4% THC content. A quantitative analysis found that the Volcano® delivered 46% of the THC into vapor following three 45-second exposures of the sample to the heat. This compares favorably with the typical efficiency of marijuana cigarettes as observed in other studies, which depending on conditions can fall below 25% due to loss of THC in sidestream smoke."

 

[Volteric]

Makes sense. Sort of like how a slow cooker extracts more flavor then just cooking food quickly.

"Now my issue is this:
I am finding that the Crafty does not medicate me as effectively as some of my other vapes.
Anyone else finding this?
@MinnBobber suggested it may be the cooling unit trapping a lot of actives and i tend to agree."

Is this really true? That just turned me off BIG time. I was under the impression that the crafty gets you MORE medicated then any other vape. Now are you saying that you feel LESS medicated because of the cooling chambers absorbing some of the THC? I mean can this actually be true? Can anyone else attest to this? I was under the impression the crafty was gonna get me higher then anything including the solo and pax which I gave up on because i just wasn't getting clouds and WASNT getting medicated like when I combusted. The solo gave me a nice buzz when I was out but was a such a pain with the stem I gave up on it. Does anyone really agree with that ^^?

So the evidence according to the study above is that any vaping will allow for more THC over combusting primarily because of the side stream that comes with combusting. You'll notice that something like 110 other chemicals are emitted with smoking compared to I think was like 3 things--all of which sound good-when vaping. I believe that is what makes people feel they are more stoned when combusting. 110 carcinogens and chemicals probably feel differently than hitting something that is 95% free of that shit. If we both agree that THC and CBD is what your after than vaping is the most effective way of getting more of it compared to combusting.

You could get even "higher" if you suck on an exhaust pipe, but I assume it's the Cannabinoids you're after. If so, smoking wastes these precious compounds.

Hope that helps.

 

[Ricchini]

I'm sorry guys I'm just having a really hard time believing that the cooling chamber is causing you to lose a significant amount of actives. You are still inhaling vapor directly from the chamber, yes, there's always going to be some sticky residue left on the inner walls, but that's the nature of all vapes.

DMPesso, my advice to you would be to get your temperatures to where you can really stretch a bowl out. My routine is 350-375-400.

The other thing I'd tell you is to hold your hits in for just a little bit longer. Crafty vapor is so smooth, this shouldn't be a problem for you.

Nothing is going to make you feel more intoxicated than inhaling smoke and making your body feel constricted of oxygen, that's really bad for you though. Vapes should make your body feel at ease with what you're putting in it.

This vape hits so smooth, I wouldn't even call it inhaling; you just breathe through it, breathe easy, hold those hits in a little longer my friend, and I think you'll feel more effect. Don't make it uncomfortable; just a little bit longer.

But most importantly, you need to make maximum use of what you put in there. In the low 300's get you some incredible terpenes, the taste should be incredible, savor that stuff. A lot of science shows that low temp vapor is the stuff that makes each strain make you feel a certain way.

350 start getting super mellow easy to hold in vapor.

375 start taking thick drags, again hold that in for probably 2-3 solid fat rips. Lotta THC happening in this range.

Go to 400, get 2x CBD rips, should taste like popcorn.

Tell me if that helps you at all.

Have you guys vaped any other herbs before?

Would that permanently taint the chamber's taste?

Do you think an ISO top-to-bottom cleaning would bring you back to square one/zero taste?

I'm not even going to try it until I have word that someone's done it successfully.

 

[DMPesso]

Here's what I've tried:

Lavender
Rosemary
Peppermint
Spearmint
Coffee
Tea

Every one of them tasted like shit!

It didn't ruin the chamber, they ruined my mood. In theory it sounds wonderful but in practice...I no longer practice vaping any herbs beyond the Sweet Leaf. "Alright now, won't you listen"

Lmao! In all seriousness who would even think of vaping herbs that are made for digesting and not for inhalation. You people amaze me.

For the record the crafty gets me higher than any portable on the market. @DMPesso you have very little to worry about. The only issue with the crafty realistically is its short battery life and lack of device compatibility.

Thank you sir! You made me happy again! Not sure what that other guy is talking about. He must be taking baby pulls

I'm sorry guys I'm just having a really hard time believing that the cooling chamber is causing you to lose a significant amount of actives. You are still inhaling vapor directly from the chamber, yes, there's always going to be some sticky residue left on the inner walls, but that's the nature of all vapes.

DMPesso, my advice to you would be to get your temperatures to where you can really stretch a bowl out. My routine is 350-375-400.

The other thing I'd tell you is to hold your hits in for just a little bit longer. Crafty vapor is so smooth, this shouldn't be a problem for you.

Nothing is going to make you feel more intoxicated than inhaling smoke and making your body feel constricted of oxygen, that's really bad for you though. Vapes should make your body feel at ease with what you're putting in it.

This vape hits so smooth, I wouldn't even call it inhaling; you just breathe through it, breathe easy, hold those hits in a little longer my friend, and I think you'll feel more effect. Don't make it uncomfortable; just a little bit longer.

But most importantly, you need to make maximum use of what you put in there. In the low 300's get you some incredible terpenes, the taste should be incredible, savor that stuff. A lot of science shows that low temp vapor is the stuff that makes each strain make you feel a certain way.

350 start getting super mellow easy to hold in vapor.

375 start taking thick drags, again hold that in for probably 2-3 solid fat rips. Lotta THC happening in this range.

Go to 400, get 2x CBD rips, should taste like popcorn.

Tell me if that helps you at all.

Thanks man. That IS what I love about vapor. U can literally hold in the hits as long as you want and it doesn't hurt your lungs which in theory does get you higher because we all know the longer we hold in the pulls the more effect we feel. Cant wait to take a nice huge vapor hit and hold it in! That's the only thing I missed about the SOLO was those smooth hits you can effortlessly hold in. The one difference I do recall about vaping over combusting was that I didn't get that stupid feeling in my brain that made me feel slow. When I vaped the solo I could still function and talk to people normally. When I would take a bong hit it would make me dumber. Vaping is much better for working or being out and about when you still need most of your brain cells to be working lol

 

[natural farmer]

But most importantly, you need to make maximum use of what you put in there. In the low 300's get you some incredible terpenes, the taste should be incredible, savor that stuff. A lot of science shows that low temp vapor is the stuff that makes each strain make you feel a certain way.

My experience says otherwise… What's this science you are talking about? It is stated in the Crafty manual as well. Higher temps will vaporize the oils faster, it won't give you different high. It's all about the strains and the doses of active ingredients that you absorb. 0.05 of a gram will definitely give you a different result than 0.2g. As long as you consume your whole load it doesn't matter if you did it in steps or fast at high temps…

 

[Mister G]

Lmao! In all seriousness who would even think of vaping herbs that are made for digesting and not for inhalation. You people amaze me.



Thank you sir! You made me happy again! Not sure what that other guy is talking about. He must be taking baby pulls


Thanks man. That IS what I love about vapor. U can literally hold in the hits as long as you want and it doesn't hurt your lungs which in theory does get you higher because we all know the longer we hold in the pulls the more effect we feel. Cant wait to take a nice huge vapor hit and hold it in! That's the only thing I missed about the SOLO was those smooth hits you can effortlessly hold in. The one difference I do recall about vaping over combusting was that I didn't get that stupid feeling in my brain that made me feel slow. When I vaped the solo I could still function and talk to people normally. When I would take a bong hit it would make me dumber. Vaping is much better for working or being out and about when you still need most of your brain cells to be working lol

If you think vaporizing non-cannabis herbs is odd, you may find you need to suspend any "beliefs" you may have held onto before you entered the FC community. There is quite a well developed and longstanding school of vaporizing many herbs you thought were just for ingestion, many more than were listed. I can only imagine what other things you may learn here, many of it may not fit inside any defined "norm" you have experienced prior. You really have to think outside the box in this community, there is no "one truth" to anything.

Regarding the less effect anyone may feel from any vaporizer at any given time, this happens a lot, sometimes with a vape that worked for you before but suddenly the high is not as good. SOOOOO many factors go into this, "vape signature" tolerance, material used, cleanliness of device, the list goes on. There are some vapes discussed here on FC that many members swear by that do absolutely nothing for me and vice versa.

I used to be hungry to know how vapes affected other users, but I quickly came to realize only to use the reviews here as "input" to put towards my own personal experience. Unfortunately it's very difficult to get a chance to try out ALL of these wonderful devices in person....maybe someday.

Have a great vape session today, everyone, I will.

 

[Volteric]

My experience says otherwise… What's this science you are talking about? It is stated in the Crafty manual as well. Higher temps will vaporize the oils faster, it won't give you different high. It's all about the strains and the doses of active ingredients that you absorb. 0.05 of a gram will definitely give you a different result than 0.2g. As long as you consume your whole load it doesn't matter if you did it in steps or fast at high temps…

Well, since there are 60-100 cannabinoids (THC/CBD being predominate) more studies are needed to know precisely what medicinal effects follow from which compounds and at what temps these compounds work their magic. Some compounds are not activated at lower temps and can have no effect unless they are activated. Add to this the "entourage effect" which basically states that different strains have different Cannabinoid profiles which produce differing effects. This is why I do not think indicas produce different effects than Sativas. UNTIL it can be demonstrated that they in fact have very different Cannabinoid profiles I think THC to CBD is what matters in terms of effects. We can all state our experiences and that's cool but the science is what matters. More than one Lab Testing PhD has confirmed these issues and made these points.

In any case, I'm not trying to be contentious. It's because of prohibition little science can or has been done. The more we study this bio active plant the more we will know how to best use it and for what medical end.

Here's a fascinating research paper on cannabinoids, temperatures and the entourage effect: http://cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/2001-03-04-7.pdf

Oh yea, the Crafty RULES!!!

 

[lwien]

Well, since there are 60-100 cannabinoids (THC/CBD being predominate) more studies are needed to know precisely what medicinal effects follow from which compounds and at what temps these compounds work their magic. Some compounds are not activated at lower temps and can have no effect unless they are activated. Add to this the "entourage effect" which basically states that different strains have different Cannabinoid profiles which produce differing effects. This is why I do not think indicas produce different effects than Sativas. UNTIL it can be demonstrated that they in fact have very different Cannabinoid profiles I think THC to CBD is what matters in terms of effects. We can all state our experiences and that's cool but the science is what matters. More than one Lab Testing PhD has confirmed these issues and made these points.

You know what else is interesting in regards to this? I've found that with most strains, when mixed into a salad (not literally a salad, just a mix of strains), that the mix tends to be stronger than either strain on their own. I've found this to be true with just about every strain that I have had with the exception of one. Some type of synergy going on here.

Oh yeah........the Crafty rules !!

 

[Volteric]

Here's the upshot of that paper as it relates to volatile temperatures for each known Cannabinoid:

?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD) Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN) Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC) Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

cannabigerol (CBG) Boiling point: MP52 Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC) Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties

ß-myrcene Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

ß-caryophyllene Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol) Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties

apigenin Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

ß-sitosterol Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor

 

[lwien]

^^ THAT list has had to have been posted up here at least 10 to 15 times in various threads over the years. Hell, I've posted it up 3 or 4 times myself, I think. (but still insightful to those who haven't seen it)

 

[Mr Mellish]

Here's the upshot of that paper as it relates to volatile temperatures for each known Cannabinoid:

?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD) Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN) Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC) Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

cannabigerol (CBG) Boiling point: MP52 Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC) Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV) Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties

ß-myrcene Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic

ß-caryophyllene Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial

d-limonene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

linalool Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

pulegone Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

1,8-cineole (eucalyptol) Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

a-pinene Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

a-terpineol Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

terpineol-4-ol Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

p-cymene Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor

Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties

apigenin Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

quercetin Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

cannflavin A Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

ß-sitosterol Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor

Thanks from a noob. So, at 185C, are you getting THC, CBD and CBN in a nice little bundle? Or are you starting to trash the THC in favor of the CBD/CBN?

 

[Volteric]

So aside from the science I can say from my experience that weed is weed. I've never noticed any different effects between indica and sativa. Not even remotely. I do notice the difference between say 10% THC weed and 25% THC-but the only difference was in terms of needing more or less to relieve symptoms. Absolutely no discernable difference whatsoever.

It reminds me of when folks will claim that their buzz differs based on different drinks. Alcohol is alcohol. Sure drinking 5 beers is different than 5 shots but it has very little to do (if at all) with the medium in which you consume. maybe you feel heavier because you consumed more liquid with 5 beers but the alcohol has the same effect at the same level regardless of medium.

 

[lwien]

So aside from the science I can say from my experience that weed is weed. I've never noticed any different effects between indica and sativa. Not even remotely. I do notice the difference between say 10% THC weed and 25% THC-but the only difference was in terms of needing more or less to relieve symptoms. Absolutely no discernable difference whatsoever.

Man, not me. I've had some REAL racy sativa's but I've never experienced that raciness with indica's.

 

[Volteric]

Thanks from a noob. So, at 185C, are you getting THC, CBD and CBN in a nice little bundle? Or are you starting to trash the THC in favor of the CBD/CBN?

The vapor from each Cannabinoid has to be released so I'm guessing that even if THC starts to emit slightly before the CBD/CBN that it has nowhere to go but your lungs. That's my guess. Further studies will hopefully shed light on this.

 

[Chill Dude]

It reminds me of when folks will claim that their buzz differs based on different drinks. Alcohol is alcohol. Sure drinking 5 beers is different than 5 shots but it has very little to do (if at all) with the medium in which you consume. maybe you feel heavier because you consumed more liquid with 5 beers but the alcohol has the same effect at the same level regardless of medium.

I agree, "Alcohol is alcohol". However, I think the reason that the shot drinker feels he gets more intoxicated is due to the time frame of consumption. It's fairly easy to put down say 5 shots in an hour, but drinking 5 beers in an hour is relatively difficult. So if a person has 5 shots in an hour they will get much more intoxicated than the guy that drinks 5 beers in say 2.5 hours.

 

[natural farmer]

The vapor from each Cannabinoid has to be released so I'm guessing that even if THC starts to emit slightly before the CBD/CBN that it has nowhere to go but your lungs. That's my guess. Further studies will hopefully shed light on this.

Mate, this has been discussed before many times around here…

Boiling points don't mean that the temp has to reach that certain point and then the actives start to evaporate all of a sudden… Water for instance has a boiling point of 100C but it evaporates even at 1C, just slower… You do get all the actives of a strain at any temp, just at different rates. And most people around here can and do understand the differences between strains. Different ratios of actives give different effects.

 

[Volteric]

Mate, this has been discussed before many times around here…

Boiling points don't mean that the temp has to reach that certain point and then the actives start to evaporate all of a sudden… Water for instance has a boiling point of 100C but it evaporates even at 1C, just slower… You do get all the actives of a strain at any temp, just at different rates. And most people around here can and do understand the differences between strains. Different ratios of actives give different effects.

Great, glad to be a part of the discussion.

I only chimed in because you seemed to have questioned the science about boiling temps. Now I understand that you weren't objecting to that but rather pointing out that the boiling point needn't be hit for cannabinoids to be released. I did not know that. I stand corrected. Thank you.

As to your last point, it's hard to pick up your tone so I'm not sure if that is a dismissal of me pointing out there is no good scientific evidence to consider Sativa and Indica producing opposite effects? Or what I've raised is old hat around here?

 

[natural farmer]

Great, glad to be a part of the discussion.

I only chimed in because you seemed to have questioned the science about boiling temps. Now I understand that you weren't objecting to that but rather pointing out that the boiling point needn't be hit for cannabinoids to be released. I did not know that. I stand corrected. Thank you.

As to your last point, it's hard to pick up your tone so I'm not sure if that is a dismissal of me pointing out there is no good scientific evidence to consider Sativa and Indica producing opposite effects? Or what I've raised is old hat around here?

No dismissal bro, I can agree there is no scientific evidence probably, but each strain is quite different in my experience. Others make me talkative, others make me sleepy, others energetic or very creative… There has to be something there…

Through the Crafty though, every strain gives me an amazing head! I was vaping leaves for a week or more last month and the leaves could knock me out just fine! They would only give vapor for one draw though, one good draw. Then I tossed them out and refilled… It did the job alright!

 

[Volteric]

Alright cool man I'm feeling more chill right about now! Thank you Crafty!

Dude it's such a trip because I've never noticed any differences and now I'm wondering if I'm an alien. Thx!

I just notice a little elevation followed by happiness, horniness, hunger and sedation---yay!!!! This is medicine for the whole man, man!

 

[Mr Mellish]

Alright cool man I'm feeling more chill right about now! Thank you Crafty!

Dude it's such a trip because I've never noticed any differences and now I'm wondering if I'm an alien. Thx!

I just notice a little elevation followed by happiness, horniness, hunger and sedation---yay!!!! This is medicine for the whole man, man!

You aren't alone, sir. I'm pretty good with beer but I can't differentiate shit with flower.

 

[Stu]

So aside from the science I can say from my experience that weed is weed. I've never noticed any different effects between indica and sativa. Not even remotely. I do notice the difference between say 10% THC weed and 25% THC-but the only difference was in terms of needing more or less to relieve symptoms. Absolutely no discernable difference whatsoever.

It reminds me of when folks will claim that their buzz differs based on different drinks. Alcohol is alcohol. Sure drinking 5 beers is different than 5 shots but it has very little to do (if at all) with the medium in which you consume. maybe you feel heavier because you consumed more liquid with 5 beers but the alcohol has the same effect at the same level regardless of medium.

Man, not me. I've had some REAL racy sativa's but I've never experienced that raciness with indica's.

I'm with lwien here. I've even noticed an indica purchased at a local dispensary had crazy sativa-like effects. I did some research and it turned out to be a sativa-dominant hybrid. I notified the dispensary that they have their bud mis-labeled (they apologized and fixed it).

But this is really not the best place to have this discussion, so if anyone wants to continue it they should open a new thread in vaporizables. Let's try to keep this thread Crafty-centirc.

 

[tripleg]

So aside from the science I can say from my experience that weed is weed. I've never noticed any different effects between indica and sativa. Not even remotely. I do notice the difference between say 10% THC weed and 25% THC-but the only difference was in terms of needing more or less to relieve symptoms. Absolutely no discernable difference whatsoever.

It reminds me of when folks will claim that their buzz differs based on different drinks. Alcohol is alcohol. Sure drinking 5 beers is different than 5 shots but it has very little to do (if at all) with the medium in which you consume. maybe you feel heavier because you consumed more liquid with 5 beers but the alcohol has the same effect at the same level regardless of medium.

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