Roffa
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I used the Anvil + integrated stem and XL everything natively too, so, it may well be my mileage that varies here. And yes, the smoothness surprised me too.
Tornado by Vestratto
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You are correct in assuming that you are wrong. I rarely use my Anvil without water, however I enjoy the Tornado without water while using the OG stem.
Damn. This is very promising. Glad to be wrong in this case
hotmeals
Serial vapist
I've been trying this more lately and it does make a big difference. I guess the difference the Forge made with the Anvil should have made it obvious that a stationary flame position was more of a compromise than I assumed
Roffa
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I also use the Wand and then I emulate this by pre-heating.
PrematureEvaporation
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@Roffa @hotmeals
When you say torch along the length of the device, do you mean like going up and down from right by the clickers all the way down near the connector on the bottom? I’m assuming it’s not that extreme right?
And also when you say it makes a big difference, could you expand on that a bit? Harder hitting? More even AVB?
I want to gather up as much knowledge as I can whilst I’m waiting to get one so I can get the best performance straight out of the gate.
Thanks for any answers
When you say torch along the length of the device, do you mean like going up and down from right by the clickers all the way down near the connector on the bottom? I’m assuming it’s not that extreme right?
And also when you say it makes a big difference, could you expand on that a bit? Harder hitting? More even AVB?
I want to gather up as much knowledge as I can whilst I’m waiting to get one so I can get the best performance straight out of the gate.
Thanks for any answers
Roffa
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I include the bit with the lettering and the small section of copper just below that. Vapor more subtle somehow and a bit faster hitting perhaps? Not sure about that last bit, may well be my perception only. But definitely even a bit smoother still and a bit more terpy. Also clicks a little bit faster@Roffa @hotmeals
When you say torch along the length of the device, do you mean like going up and down from right by the clickers all the way down near the connector on the bottom? I’m assuming it’s not that extreme right?
And also when you say it makes a big difference, could you expand on that a bit? Harder hitting? More even AVB?
I want to gather up as much knowledge as I can whilst I’m waiting to get one so I can get the best performance straight out of the gate.
Thanks for any answers
eyevape
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Now that’s interesting! So far I only heated the oven section near the vent holes, moving lower for darker roast.
So you heat this whole section? What’s the flame size? Does the inner flame hit the surface? How fast do you move ?
eyevape
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This has been exactly my first experience with the Tornado, it was disgusting and it kept me from moving the flame lower than just below the holes. And from dual flame use at all. I also will try painting, but not without asking for some further details. Combusting with the Tornado is not funI tried with my dual flame, but kept it steady and ended up roasting it.Flames were small, one on the bottom of cap, the other beneath. Will try the small single and painting method next go
Edit: Nah, fuck it. There are patient people and there are people like me
So I set my flame to about 15 mm, letting it almost touch the surface. Then I moved up and down the section I marked on the photo, like 1.5-2 times per second to the 2nd click. This has been the smoothest hit I got from the Tornado so far and the roast was perfectly even. Next time I‘ll move the flame slower to push the AVB a little darker. Thanks a lot @Roffa. Now I can really start to take advantage of the Tornado‘s gasification or whatever capabilities 
This level of smoothness is even more surprising than it was using the point heating method.
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PrematureEvaporation
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Seeing as there’s no official “heat here for this result” instructions and recommended torch like the Anvil had, perhaps it would be a nice idea to have a separate thread on Tornado heating or maybe a community added list in this thread? Like whiffs heating instructions in the Anvil thread that helped so many of us out.
That way new users can get a good go of it right off the bat and existing users can try something new if they want a change.
It would detail things that haven’t worked, things that have worked, torch recommendations, things like that. I think that would be pretty useful personally
That way new users can get a good go of it right off the bat and existing users can try something new if they want a change.
It would detail things that haven’t worked, things that have worked, torch recommendations, things like that. I think that would be pretty useful personally
coolbreeze
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Datapoint: I've only used a PB207 at full power, no spinning, aimed between and just above the holes for a repeatable full roast. I tried pointing at the neck for a few seconds before moving to 1/3 up the oven but it ended up darker than I'd prefer. I think I could get similar results with a big Eagle or even an Honest torch.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I'm loving all the input from torch users but how are people finding the IH techniques out there? I'm planning on using mine exclusively with the Wand.
PrematureEvaporation
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Well there’s a good start! I love that you can use a DV sized torch on this and get a great full roast. Dual seems a bridge too far if other comments are any indication
@TigoleBitties if you go through @electrokho82 posts you’ll find some great stuff about using the Tornado with the wand. The flare doesn’t seem that great with it in terms of RTL, and obviously the forge is great with it being designed for it
edit- I’ve now started a thread over in vape discussion. If anyone would like to add to it and make it useful that would be great
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Roffa
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Exactly like that and with a large flame. I have a Dremel Versatip that's very precise: I put it on its highest setting.
How fast: fairly fast, I don't know. I do make sure not to linger too long on the section around the vent holes.
Roffa
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I think a pre-heated Tornado is a happy Tornado with the Wand. I have mine set to 320C and that gives me 30 seconds of heating. Usually the oven clicks at around 20 seconds, depending on how hot the device already was. I let it run out. I'm going back and forth between 320 and 315
Smknbud
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I'm using my silicone dab jar lid that came with my TA 3/4 for unscrewing and removing the hot bowl and have it inserted in bottom Wand. I just insert the Tornado top side Wand for hands free heating. No error codes unlike inserting Tornado from bottom side.
hotmeals
Serial vapist
@Roffa @hotmeals
When you say torch along the length of the device, do you mean like going up and down from right by the clickers all the way down near the connector on the bottom? I’m assuming it’s not that extreme right?
And also when you say it makes a big difference, could you expand on that a bit? Harder hitting? More even AVB?
I want to gather up as much knowledge as I can whilst I’m waiting to get one so I can get the best performance straight out of the gate.
Thanks for any answers
I put my answer over there for youedit- I’ve now started a thread over in vape discussion. If anyone would like to add to it and make it useful that would be great
eyevape
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Now we’re talking! Just tried my biggest torch, which is quite similar to the Versatip. This worked way better than the small flame torch, also it heated the bowl quicker obviously. Plenty of smooth vapor, strong effects, dark brown AVB. I used to like the Anvil over the Tornado, but this might have changed just now.
AndyO
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Funnily enough, I've spent my Friday afternoon trying to figure out the Tornado with the Wand. I don't really need to - I love the Tornado with the torch, but it's compatibility with the Wand is partly what led me to buy it, so I wanted to at least figure it out.
What I'm finding is that using the Wand and heating the whole cap seems to make for a much harsher, more punchy (almost combustion?) flavoured hit, then you check your AVB and it's still lighter than what it usually is with the Torch.
Even if/when Vestratto come out with a stem option I'm not entirely sure the Tornado will lend itself that well to being a travelling vape with an IH & Reload, cos even through a bong I find it a lot.
Yeah I have my doubts also. Especially since I will be filling the bowl. Only stem on the market that could come close to cooling a deep roasted 0.3g bowl is the Tempest/Revolve stem imo.
I believe the Tornado is smooth, mainly due to extra conduction. But 0.3g is 0.3g at the end of the day. Vapour density is a thing.
EDIT, just realised who I was talking to. Feel free to put the Tornado on the Tempest stem and tell us what you think
PrematureEvaporation
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I was just thinking how simple it’d be to make a Tornado to 8mm stem adapter. There’s no condenser any more, so it would be one small part needed. Male tornado connect on one end, some cooling fins perhaps and then the 8mm male connect. Just like that you can plug it into a Revolve stem or whatever with some wood to handle the heat.
I might ask around about getting something like that machined out of SS, shouldn’t be too hard or costly. Theoretically you could machine it out of a single piece of SS rod of the correct diameter
I might ask around about getting something like that machined out of SS, shouldn’t be too hard or costly. Theoretically you could machine it out of a single piece of SS rod of the correct diameter
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I sent an email to Vestratto a week ago asking and got this reply:
"FYI, the Tornadoes are now in its production process and we anticipate to fulfill the bulk in late October 2024 in the sequence by which the order was placed since Sept 16, 2024."
