Too young to be here............

[lwien]

There's another thread here where the OP stated, "but its cold and I keep getting in trouble for going up and down the stairs everytime I smoke outside."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/i...k-can-someone-recommend-me.20340/#post-907097

Everyone in that thread including some very senior members here gave this person (kid) advice as to which vaporizer to get being that he is obviously hiding his use from his parents.

In my opinion, it would seem more appropriate ESPECIALLY being that we know that marijuana use has a demonstrable negative affect on developing brains, that the advice that should have been given was to one, respect your parents, you are living in their house, play by their rules and two, a clear explanation as to why he shouldn't be consuming cannabis at a very young age for the above stated reasons.

I was going to do that in that thread but I was conflicted being that it could be viewed as a derail and would have taken the thread in a whole other direction, which in hindsight, may not have been a bad idea.

Thoughts??

 

[howie105]

My take is I can't raise other peoples children but I do owe the overall community a honest response if I chose to involve myself in a thread. So being gutless at times I cheese out and avoid some posts.

 

[lwien]

So being gutless at times I cheese out and avoid some posts.

I did the same thing as well in that thread other than asking how old he/she was.

I reported that thread and Mom came in a gave a very soft warning but in my opinion, I think we need to take a more pro-active stance on this. It's in our rules here that we don't want underage kids active here on FC but it may serve these kids even better if one, the thread gets shut down and two, rather than banning them from the site, to redirect them to a thread such as this in the hopes that maybe, just maybe, there is a slight chance that we, as a community, may be able to do some good in this regard.

Now I know that we can't always be accurate in assuming ones age, but using their content along with how they communicate that content gives us a pretty good idea of their age (the original post should be a good example of this).

And yeah, I know that it's not FC's job to "raise others peoples children", but when you see a kid in possible trouble, why not offer a helping hand?

Edit: On second thought, maybe it's a bit too much to do what I stated above but it just made me a tad uncomfortable seeing all the advice that this kid was given other than the advice that he should have been given.

 

[Farid]

There are plenty of people over 18, even over 21 who have family members who do not approve of cannabis. My family is very accepting, but I have friends who have parents who are always bringing up their weed use even when they're in their 20s and have jobs and their own places to live. Its not respectful to live somewhere and break the landlords rules, I agree, but we have discussions about vaping in nightclubs and other places where vaping is obviously breaking the rules.

I think if somebody outright comes out and says they're underage that is a problem, but it can be hard to tell when lots of people still act like using cannabis is a juvenile activity. I always find it funny that some people will tell their kids that they don't want them using cannabis when they're 18 because they're still developing, but the instant they turn 22 and are still using, it's seen as immature and childish. Do they think cannabis is only ok for that four year window?

 

[CarolKing]

I know the thread you are talking about. I sensed the person might be younger but we don't know this person was under 18. Like someone already mentioned, this could be someone that was 18 or older and living at home, possibly in school.

Also once I made the assumption someone was very young and hiding cannabis from their parents. The FC member had posted eventually he was older and living in their parents home. This person said that he had a disability. Sometimes we don't really know the circumstances. I've learned long ago don't make assumptions.

 

[psychonaut]

Unless they come out any admit to being under age, there's nothing that can be done. Anecdotal evidence is not enough proof IMO.

 

[KeroZen]

I started at 16... didn't prevent me from becoming an engineer. And look at me, I'm not that much retarded!

Now 20 years later, my mother keep asking me when I'll quit and still mixes everything she hears about drugs like if it was one single topic. Last week for instance she saw a TV documentary about "designer/smart drugs" and she was concerned I was going to damage my brain with these things...when I don't do hard drugz at all, for a long time.

In her worldview it's all the same...

 

[His_Highness]

Touch call @lwien. If I were 16 I would hope/want someone to show me the healthier, safer option. Because, like @KeroZen I was gonna do it either way.

If I were the parent of that 16 year old I would probably want to microwave your testicles for providing that info/advice.

Testicles aside....Both sides have merit.....

If I knew the kid was under 18 I'd back off.

 

[grokit]

To tell a kid not to do something, is to most likely guarantee that it gets done

Vaporizer advice, not judgement of one's situation, is what this forum is for. If a kid's parents don't want him surfing adult web sites, they could institute some kind of control. But that is not our job

 

[TeeJay1952]

It brings to mind "How does one step from the children's table to the adult ." Conversation followed by emulation is the key I have found to work the best.
How many members spent their youth hiding from their parents only to be followed by by spending their time now hiding from their kids?

 

[His_Highness]

It brings to mind "How does one step from the children's table to the adult ." Conversation followed by emulation is the key I have found to work the best.
How many members spent their youth hiding from their parents only to be followed by by spending their time now hiding from their kids?

Been there ... done that. Once my kids were self-sufficient adults I came out of the MJ closet....it was soooooooooooooooo liberating. And..it was liberating for them as well. Still, I would not have been happy if an adult had been 'schooling' them when they were in their teens.

 

[lwien]

I never learned from my parents mistakes. As a matter of fact, I've never learned anything from anyone's mistakes. I've always had to make my own to learn from but I also recognize that not everyone is like me and I have no doubt that there are those that CAN learn from someone else's mistakes which for me, is a good enough reason to keep communicating them.

 

[TeeJay1952]

@lwien You are correct Sir! I have never been able to teach anyone anything. But I keep trying. (The definition of madness or humanity?)

 

[lwien]

@lwien You are correct Sir! I have never been able to teach anyone anything.

Do you really know that though? Case in point. You're walking down the street one morning and you're about to pass a total stranger. Now normally, you wouldn't make eye contact but this time you did and you smiled, nodded your head and said......."Good morning." The person nodded back and said good morning back to ya.

After you passed, that person thought, "Ya know, him acknowledging me and wishing me well made me feel really good. I'm gonna do that as well to people that I pass on the street."

In this case, you taught someone something without even realizing it. I have no doubt that we all do that to one extent or another quite a few times a day......that is, teaching by example without even realizing that that is what you are doing.

I'm 71 years old and I'm a runner. Some people that I pass gives me a bit smile and a thumbs up but what about the hundreds of people that drive by in their cars and notice me. I have no doubt that there are at least a few who have been motivated to do same thing saying to themselves, "Fuck, if he can do it at his age, what in the fuck is my excuse", and then, if they made the effort to get in shape, what affect has that had on their lives? What affect has that had on their families lives? Have I saved a father of 3 from dying prematurely and leaving his kids without a father?

I don't have the answers to the above questions but it does make one wonder what kind of an impact you can have on others without trying to teach anyone anything, eh?

 

[macbill]

They come
They go
They seldom know
What
They
Do.....
But
They do
Change
You.

Lawrence Craig-Greene

 

[His_Highness]

I've learned from the success some folks close to me had without so much as a conversation with them about it....followed their approach. They came from the same place as me and without knowing it they gave me the belief in what's possible by blazing the trail themselves. Many years later I told them so and thanked them.

I've also learned from the mistakes some of these same folks made and steered clear of their landmines. Again...because they came from where I did .... so if they got hurt or screwed up I knew I stood to as well.

I often wonder what would have happened if I didn't have these people to emulate for the good things and what to avoid for the bad things.

 

[Alan Partridge]

There's another thread here where the OP stated, "but its cold and I keep getting in trouble for going up and down the stairs everytime I smoke outside."
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/i...k-can-someone-recommend-me.20340/#post-907097

Everyone in that thread including some very senior members here gave this person (kid) advice as to which vaporizer to get being that he is obviously hiding his use from his parents.

In my opinion, it would seem more appropriate ESPECIALLY being that we know that marijuana use has a demonstrable negative affect on developing brains, that the advice that should have been given was to one, respect your parents, you are living in their house, play by their rules and two, a clear explanation as to why he shouldn't be consuming cannabis at a very young age for the above stated reasons.

I was going to do that in that thread but I was conflicted being that it could be viewed as a derail and would have taken the thread in a whole other direction, which in hindsight, may not have been a bad idea.

Thoughts??

I'm not convinced the OP is too young, he (I assume he) could walk into a shop and buy a vape. Housing here in the UK is so expensive a lot of people live with their parents way into their 20s and even 30s, not sure what this situation is like in the US?

And he could be getting into trouble with the wife rather than parents. I'm always in trouble with my wife it doesn't take much.

But if for example a 15 year old wandered in here... they'd be getting a lecture.

 

[Jeppy]

That's classic. FC'ers teaching children to get over on their parents. Smh

 

[herbivore21]

Thanks for creating this thread @lwien I have thought about this a number of times myself.

I too feel quite uncomfortable advising underaged people to use cannabis for recreational reasons. Even for medical reasons, I'd really prefer to speak to their caregiver too.

Unfortunately, we are dealing with a relatively anonymous (and necessarily so) medium here and as many say, young people are generally gonna do what they're gonna do.

I think honestly the best approach to be taken is that taken by my scientific peers. We may generally refer to the least harmful ways to approach consumption of cannabis, but we should always provide this harm minimization information with the advise that cannabis should generally not be given to young people at this stage of development except where medical need calls for it and preferably where local regulations allow, with the assistance/cooperation of their medical practitioners.

I agree, we can't encourage young people to do something that may be harmful to them, but at the same time, if we've reason to believe they're already doing something harmful, we should at least accompany the message advising against harmful behaviors with information to allow for less harmful consumption - always making it very clear that on the best current evidence, it would be better to abstain until later in development.

 

[Snappo]

It will not be my intent to aide any young person (18 or older) in the endeavor of subterfuge and concealment... especially when in the home of a PARENT.

 

[little maggie]

I read the thread that brought this issue up. I just wonder why this is an issue now when 6 people checked in as between 15-18 on the age page.

 

[Poostuff]

How do you know how old anyone is on forum like this? Maybe it's an adult in a share house of non smokers & you're reading to much into it.
All I know is anyone who writes Lol is younger than I am.
Also I was in that thread & I didn't suggest a vape, my post was just annoying & unhelpful as usual.

 

[little maggie]

How do you know how old anyone is on forum like this? Maybe it's an adult in a share house of non smokers & you're reading to much into it.
All I know is anyone who writes Lol is younger than I am.
Also I was in that thread & I didn't suggest a vape, my post was just annoying & unhelpful as usual.

Maybe people are lying about their age but I based that on the survey on the age of FC members thread.

 

[Snappo]

How individuals express themselves can be a dead giveaway to youth 18+ YO.

 

[TeeJay1952]

Everyone brings their kids up differently. No guarantees that anything will work out the way you plan. I have seen Hippies have Businessmen and visa versa. I have seen every one be a clone of generation before and also everyone swear a blood oath to never be like predecessors. I have met smart kids and dumb adults and everything in-between and reversed.
I have always felt that if you can reach out there should be a response. There is not a magic moment of clarity but rather a path to enlightenment that starts and ends a different times for folks. Telling a story of one's youth isn't necessarily a provocation or endorsement. I say pile the table high with stories, recollections, hopes, failures and let folks take from it what they will.