To Frack Or Not To Frack? That Is The Question!?

To Frack or Not To Frack????

  • Yes - To Frack

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Seren

Away with the fairies

Enchantre

Oil Painter
I'm currently at the epicenter of energy-related controversy, much like fracking. I'm against fracking, I'm for developing alternative methods of energy collection, and for reducing energy usage.

Here, we've had the port try to bring in coal trains for export - and we've said No. Now they are trying to get crude oil tanker trains for export... we are still saying No. It's bad enough we have all the soybeans and automobiles going through our port... and, no, I'm not against commerce, but these shippers and companies have done nothing to improve the infrastructure... they are seriously just waiting for a derailment & toxic spill, before fixing anything.

I'm glad I'm moving, but it is so terribly sad. The area I live in is incredibly beautiful, and environmentally fragile.
 

djonkoman

Well-Known Member
I live in the netherlands. a small, densely populated, wet country(before the dikes half the country was a swamp). if something gets screwed up with the drinking water or groundwater, we're screwed. better to wait first and watch hgow it develops elsewhere.
besides that, the amount that apparently is present here isn't that big, our cobnventional gas-bell is much more profitable(and the exploitation of that one is already causing earthquakes, although with fracking it wouldn't be one big bell so earthquakerisk would probably not be as bad)
 

Deadshort480

We're here to fuck shit up.
Fuck Fracking more than combustion! We, as a planet, should be developing plans for mass harvesting and distribution of hydroelectric, solar, and wind energy. Leave the fossil fuels in the earth with the rest of the fossils. Pulling the natural gas from the ground would be an excellent idea if there was a safe way to do it, but unfortunately there is no other alternative to Fracking right now. This should be a very scary time for all of us as an entire race of people all around the world. I feel too many people's heads are in the sand when it comes to Fracking. I am forever suggesting to peopłe to watch Gasland 1 & 2. Amazing, infuriating, sad, and very compelling documentaries about the negative effects of Fracking on everyday people.
 

vape4health

Well-Known Member
I'm right in that belt running thru PA, I really hope you guys aint waiting for *us (the people living on that drilled land) to make changes. They just throw some cash at these poor land owners and that somehow makes it all ok. You guys ever considered what all cost of the extra traffic too, it's at least once a month that a carload is killed by a gas truck because that drive been on the clock for the past 24 or longer hours and falls asleep at the wheel. Almost everything in this world is more important that money but somehow that shit makes it turn. It's nice to see the local farms actually buying new equipment and stuff but will that land be dead in a few years?
 

Deadshort480

We're here to fuck shit up.
Coming to a backyard near you...

If you don't think that these big money gas and oil companies won't suck every last bit of it out of the ground by any means necessary, think again. Just one of the many problems that Fracking is proven to promote and even be the cause of is earthquakes. Take particular note of where all that shale is on the west coast. That is the San Andreas Fault, my friends. Be afraid...





And this is what the natural landscape starts to look like. This is Wyoming and those are all drill sites.



And this is what's down there. That probably used to he a beautiful sunset. You can see that is someone's picket fence and they are taking a picture of what used to be the sunset in the backyard.
 

FrogBoy138

Well-Known Member
It's to much for me to handle after what I've already know about our water situation. Sorry to say I've given up how can a environmentalist compete with multinational companies. I watch documentaries like GasLand now just out of morbid fascination. I feel so bad I really care about the earth it's so hard to convince people that they really need to do more. Be realistic if you want people to be able to do more then just survive in the very near future. I like to think about generations from now when they will have the technology to safely remove this gas.
 

djonkoman

Well-Known Member
speaking about eartquakes... I think I mentioned we got those here because of gasdrilling?
one of our northern provinces(groningen) has the biggest gasbell of the country. they always said it wouldn't cause earthquakes, and there's a history of denying ground-descent also(while it's klogical that if you take something out of the ground, the toplevel will descend)(the ground descent discussuion is more about saltextraction than gas though, in the case of this gasbell they did predict some ground-descent, but minor, less than what actually happened, and they said this minor grounddescent wouldn't lead to any problems like earthquakes, and it took multiple eartquakes to make them stop denying it, the 'they' here is the NAM, wich is owned by shell and exxonmobile)

well, about last year they couldn't deny it anymore, there was an earthquake of 3,6 richter. and that's without any faultlines, it's the descending soil(btw, this is a convential gasdrillingoperation, no fracking). and the funny thing is, it turns out the earthquakes usually happen a set amount of time after the peak extraction of gas(the time of year when most gas is extracted). so by now it's pretty clear that if we continue extracting gas at the same pace, the eartquakes will get worse. while we used to never have eartquakes in this country(well, ok, very rare and weak eartquakes, but not anything serious, we don't have faultlines). and what's the political discussion about? who is to blame, and most importantly, who has to pay the damages to houses in that area. meanwhile, the drilling continues, a few have suggested to slow down extraction, but it seems very unlikely they will slow down the gasextraction.

and they also want to dril in the waddensea(or maybe they are already doing it on a small scale), a shallow sea above the provinces groningen en friesland, divided from the northsea by a row of islands. this is a unique and protected invironment, the defining characteristic is that large parts of this sea fall dry with ebb. so the only think keeping it existent is the present groundlevel and sealevel, a rising sealevel will eventually destroy it, but combined with a descending groundlevel it would be gone much quicker.
 
djonkoman,

Seren

Away with the fairies
I'm for developing alternative methods of energy collection, and for reducing energy usage.

It does seem ludicrous that with so many other greener, more sustainable options available to us, we should even consider this potentially devastating practice.

Fuck Fracking more than combustion! We, as a planet, should be developing plans for mass harvesting and distribution of hydroelectric, solar, and wind energy......... This should be a very scary time for all of us as an entire race of people all around the world. I feel too many people's heads are in the sand when it comes to Fracking. I am forever suggesting to peopłe to watch Gasland 1 & 2. Amazing, infuriating, sad, and very compelling documentaries about the negative effects of Fracking on everyday people.

Well said! I watched Gasland 1 earlier for the first time (couldn't find Gasland 2 to watch) - some scary, eye-opening stuff on there.

Almost everything in this world is more important that money but somehow that shit makes it turn. It's nice to see the local farms actually buying new equipment and stuff but will that land be dead in a few years?

So true... greed rules unfortunately!

And this is what the natural landscape starts to look like. This is Wyoming and those are all drill sites.

Wow, so ugly in so many ways.

speaking about eartquakes... I think I mentioned we got those here because of gasdrilling?...... it took multiple eartquakes to make them stop denying it, the 'they' here is the NAM, wich is owned by shell and exxonmobile).... it turns out the earthquakes usually happen a set amount of time after the peak extraction of gas.... the eartquakes will get worse......they also want to dril in the waddensea.... this is a unique and protected invironment.

How could a protected area (or any area for that matter) even be considered in the first place - how ironic is that!!??
 
Seren,

SD_haze

Well-Known Member
And this is what the natural landscape starts to look like. This is Wyoming and those are all drill sites.
Almost reminds me of the infertile wasteland of the Idiocracy movie.
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Deadshort480

We're here to fuck shit up.
Almost reminds me of the infertile wasteland of the Idiocracy movie.

Shit, if we keep going the way we're going, the satire of that movie may become our horrifying reality. I must admit that I find people in general are not becoming smarter as time passes us by. I mean, we've already got a President Not Sure.:freak:
 
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