Tinctures?

Vitolo

Vaporist
There are more expensive Higfh level grain alcohols like Spirytus Rektyfikowany from Poland (it is 192 proof... higher than everclear).
OR go online to liquor sellers and order it,
OR...
go into a "BevMo" and talk politely, and have them order you some 190 EC by the 1.75 Liter
Or look on Craigslist... many stocked up!
 

killick

But I like it!
I need some sort of 'research permit' to get high test EC here unfortunately. But the craft distiller down the road is a nice guy, and makes a mean neutral spirit (he makes an awesome coffee vodka - looks and tastes like cold black coffee, but at 50% alcohol). Or I'll just start bringing bottles from the infrequent trips back to the motherland...
 
killick,

StonedPerk

Light up the world
Thanks @Steele Concept. I've used your recipe a few times, but not recently due to the gas stove top. I'm trying to build up my collection to be a few different combinations of materials, hence this version being MCT oil. I have some regular pharm grade glycerin here as well, but only for topicals so far. I've also tried concentrates a couple of times, but really need a vac chamber to go much further down that route.
Mct oil?
 
StonedPerk,

killick

But I like it!
The chick at the health food store explained that coconut and palm oils both have MCTs (Medium Chain Triglycerides), but MCT oil is a more concentrated form of them. The big benefit I can think of is very rapid absorption. But I've not made it yet - maybe this weekend bit of fun :)
 

killick

But I like it!
@StonedPerk I first heard of it when I saw it in the video I posted a few days ago. I picked some up at the health food store just to try.
 
killick,

dagni

New Member
I never used to like Glycerin Tincture, and I refused for years in the beginning to make Glycerin Tincture.

Yes... I would feel the full effects, and the glycerin only hauled in the THC happy stuff!.. don't get me wrong.. I like being happy, and feeling euphoric.... but I am fucked up physically and I need help.
SO.. I referred in my younger days to Glycerin Tincture as "Sissy Tincture". (I was not as open minded)
When the patients that were being sent to talk with me about alternatives became more diverse, I found patients that were in the work force... functioning in a job. These folks could not afford to take the dark stuff. It was too sedative in it's effect. They deserved proper Glycerin tinctures.
After all... feeling euphoric during your day can help you cope with some discomfort by making you happy.
I changed the name from "Sissy Tincture" to "Party Girl Tincture".
Wow.... names... titles.....
I was younger and needed names for things.
I just call it sweet tincture now.

If you want full effects... sand behind your eyelids fast, full spectrum cannabinoid whallop, whole tincture is your medicine.
If you want to be in a pleasant mood, and feel high, sweet tincture is for you.

There is room for both types of tincture in my world now.

NEXT.....
I have a 3rd tincture:
High CBD (ABV) tincture.
It is a whole tincture made from ABV...
8 pounds of ABV to 2 Liters of Everclear are the starting ingredients.
It winds up as 7 ounces (7 bottles like those in the post I made with the glycerin) of a high CBD tincture that is so dense that the inner walls of the bottle
form clear crystals of amazing potency... at the end of the process description, I will describe the incident in which I first found these crystals.
People in the community give me their ABV, in large amounts for some patients! Growers bring it also.
I grind it into flour and make ABV muffins, that each boast 6 grams of ABV in them... too much to go out in public.... so I recommend it as a nighttime medication for bedtime!
I build up a large amount and can't store it all, so I wait until this one container is full.
It holds 8 pounds. That fills up 4 one Gallon plastic Milk Jugs (100% cleaned and dried please)
I fill the 4 jugs with the ABV.
I then pour about a liter and a third of Everclear into one of my 4 ABV filled jugs.
I am saving about a 2/3 liter of Everclear to rinse through each of the jugs when I pour off the liquid.
I shake the jug around... and leave it a few hours.... then I do the following:
I set the next ABV filled jug on the counter.
I place a large funnel in it.
I turn the Everclear/ABV bottle upside down into the funnel of the dry ABV jug..... I am careful to find a corner spot to prop the top container up so it can drain by itself.
I then take a razor blade, and cut away the bottom of the upside down container....this allows better drainage, and it makes the top container into a funnel of sorts. No worry about the top jug's ABV pouring out with the alcohol.. it will wedge itself in place and help filter.
I let this drainage go on for a few hours, then I pour a little of my reserved leftover clean Everclear through my bottomless plastic jug to rinse the ABV.. leaving that for another hour to drip and drain.
I repeat this two more times with the remaining two jugs.
The last "drain" being the thickest.. O saved the most clean everclear for THAT rinse.
Now to reduce it.
I put it all (it wont be two liters, you do lose some..) into a vessel that you will submerge in a double boiler, and reduce it down to 25% of original volume.
Pour while still warm into bottles.
The stuff is narcotically potent!
Sedative.
Pain relieveing..
My discovery that I told you I would share....
The first time I did this procedure, I picked up a bottle and saw
what looked like dark clumps on the side of the bottle. But wait.. the clorophylls were barely present.. this weed was all vaped!
I poured out the Tincture into a new clean bottle so I good study these clumps.
I went in with a q-tip and wiped off the inner wall, and when I brought the q-tip out what I saw was...
The clumps were not dark, they were needle-like clear crystals that only looked dark until the dark ABV tincture was absorbed into the q-tip's cotton. I collected the crystals until I had a good sized little pile.
I got a few between by thumb and fingertip... and squished, and I felt them crunch like glass, and when I opened my fingers I saw yellowish powder I touched my finger to a drop of water, and held the fingers together and found the powder got very tacky.
I got a few more crystals and place a wad of them between my front teeth, and my teeth were surprisingly well glued together afterwards for so small an amount of the crystalline substance.
My final test was to collect a small scoop of the collected crystals, and get them into a capsule for ingestion in the morning when I am most susceptible to feeling change.
I woke at 4 to pee and ate my capsule and returned to bed.
When I woke at 6, I had a fairly useless morning, until the fog lifted.
The Tincture works the same way as the crystals, only it is far from tasteless (very bitter)
I was not about to try to harvest crystals, and left well enough alone.
I make a couple of batches a year of this ABV stuff, that I call High CBD Tincture.


I'm very much a newbie at everything. Been trying different ways to get the medicine I need: make edibles, bongs, vape pens, etc. I don't do well inhaling, other than using a pen, and need longer lasting effects for night time use. Cost is a huge factor, as well. I'm curious about your high CBD tincture. I checked the handy glossary on this site for ABV. I'm still confused. It sounds like it's what's left after using a non-combusting vaporizer, which I would think would have the good stuff smoked out of it. Not to mention 8 lbs. of the stuff? Please clarify this for me. The brownies I make are quite yummy and do a fairly good job of helping me sleep better, but the calories are adding up. Tincture sounds so wonderful and if I can make it myself, it would help a lot with my budget. Oh, I have a gas stove so not sure if using a double boiler method would be wise. I do have a crockpot. Thank you!
 
dagni,

Vitolo

Vaporist
Double boiler is fine on a stove, if you are nervous, use a crockpot... but it takes longer.
Use a large pot with high enough walls that you can have the water level at level with the level of the alcohol mixture in your measuring cup.
I work evaporating/reducing on gas stovetop.. turn vents on.
Use a "canning rack" at bottom of pot to keep the alcohol mixture suspened from bottom.
ABV is weed that has been vaped.
We do not get all of the hkigher end THC products from weed when we vape.
We vape at 350- 400º.
There are cannabinoids that are released at heats closer to combustion.
CBDs and the others are those cannabinoids that require highest heat.
They are still in the ABV... that is why some folks obtain ABV to smoke.. on purpose.
8 pounds is alot of ABV... most of the patients I work with bring me all of theirs!
I use the entire 8 pounds at once to make the collection of remaining cannabinoids worth the effort, by yielding me a product that is saturated with those remaining cannabinoids!
THC low end euphorics are vaped out.
Soporifics and sedatives remain.
I hope this is helpful.
 

dagni

New Member
Double boiler is fine on a stove, if you are nervous, use a crockpot... but it takes longer.
Use a large pot with high enough walls that you can have the water level at level with the level of the alcohol mixture in your measuring cup.
I work evaporating/reducing on gas stovetop.. turn vents on.
Use a "canning rack" at bottom of pot to keep the alcohol mixture suspened from bottom.
ABV is weed that has been vaped.
We do not get all of the hkigher end THC products from weed when we vape.
We vape at 350- 400º.
There are cannabinoids that are released at heats closer to combustion.
CBDs and the others are those cannabinoids that require highest heat.
They are still in the ABV... that is why some folks obtain ABV to smoke.. on purpose.
8 pounds is alot of ABV... most of the patients I work with bring me all of theirs!
I use the entire 8 pounds at once to make the collection of remaining cannabinoids worth the effort, by yielding me a product that is saturated with those remaining cannabinoids!
THC low end euphorics are vaped out.
Soporifics and sedatives remain.
I hope this is helpful.

So I guess I need to find some heavy duty vape people and ask them to save their residual product for me. I've only been in Vegas for about 6 months. Have a couple of people we have bought wax and shatter from, and only recently started getting some from a dispensary. Not really sure how to go about asking for this kind of thing. I've only used pens that use a small amount of actual plant material. I'm assuming the larger vaporizers would have a greater amount utilized. Kind of thinking this may not be something for me to try making at this point. Maybe as I get to know more people?
 
dagni,

Vitolo

Vaporist
Yes, that sounds right.
With concentrate users and makers, there is little ABV on hand.
Save your own
It builds up faster than you think... and reduce the scale of what I have described.
I do not take my position for granted.
I do know I am blessed to be in my shoes!
A few convection vape using friends can help you.
Find a couple SSV users or Volcano aficionados and tell them you save ABV to make a pain tincture.
Tell them it takes time to save enough, but that you will share some of the ABV cake/muffins/tincture/drops etc... with them.
I make ABV edibles... by grinding into flour-like dust, then using it with brownie mix or other recipes.. just like that...
I keep these muffins on hand.. each with 5 or 6 grams of abv in them.. they are in the fridge, and when someone hands me a small bag of ABV, I give them one... My collection then increases some.
 

Nesta

Well-Known Member
Vito said it right, alcohol - specifically ethanol is great for stripping out all the goodies in short time. This is why I only do ethanol tinctures as compared to glycerin. For folks who want to complain over "bad taste" in 1-2 mL, man up lol. You are getting damn near all the goodies in that 1-2 mL and it is a tiny amount anyway... A typical alcohol shot is 45 mL. The 1/8th of meds and 2 oz of ethanol on the stove is a great way to start to see if you like it.

http://www.greendiet.com/the-ultimate-medical-cannabis-tincture-pictorial-bringing-tincture-back/

Otherwise buy a MB2 or crockpot and do the dang thang a zip or more at a time bruh.

This concoction (1/8 oz reefer to 2oz Everclear) - is really good, & pretty potent.

One caution however. I usually take this at home- mix the tincture with a little water, hold it under my tongue for a little while then swallow.

Today I took some out with me in a small dropper bottle, to use on the go. (I've heard cautions about this - but sometimes ya have to learn the hard way…)

I didn't dilute the 190 proof tincture, just placed it under my tongue & damn that stuff burns! It was a good thing I had some water handy to drink. So take a lesson from me… (it's hours later & that sensitive tissue under the tongue is still smartn'. Hope I didn't do any damage).

A really nice day to bounce (bike) around NYC though. The weather's like a nice June summer day, perfect!

Thanks @Steele Concept & @Vitolo!
 
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