Thoughts on Barack Obama and Marijuana

supavape420

supavape420

Tommy Chong
do you think he will make marijuana legal finally? or will he just make it better for medical users?
 
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SpiralArchitect

SpiralArchitect

? & beyond
do you think he will make marijuana legal finally?
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:lol: Nope. Political suicide. Besides, it's not within his power regardless.

or will he just make it better for medical users?
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By ending DEA raids in states that have MMJ laws. That is about it.

He seems like a sensible guy, and he has admitted to smoking and enjoying it, it's just he is a politician. He has an agenda. Legalizing marijuana isn't on it.
 
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DigitalDavinci

DigitalDavinci

Vapohaulic
Prop 5 (sorry it didn't pass Cali :disgust: ) is exactly the point I was making in the Legalize it forum. By the vote not passing, then more attention is being spent on the overcrowded jails of Cali. The people will begin to look at solutions once taxes must be raise to build more jails. People may see a way out through forming a proposition...maybe then they'll call it prop 5 too. :lol: If that happens, then it is more likely people will remember the prop5 that just lost. A process. The prop5 loss was a step backwards for Cali, but if the prop is up for vote again then Cali could leap forward in policy :2c:

DD
 
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Omniscient

Omniscient

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I just thought for those who don't have any idea what prop 5 is about i could enlighten them a bit. Prop 5 would turn all marijuana charges in California from misdemeanor to infraction which is equivalent to a fix it ticket and would be no more than $100. It also saves billions of tax dollars in the long run by treating all drug laws as non-violent which the judges would be stripped of their power to incarcerate drug offenders. Tons of money saved by keeping people out of jail that don't need to be there. Sorry i know this topic isn't about props or California but at least this prop puts marijuana in a better position than it was previously, and i think more little things like this could keep pushing us in the right direction towards a legitimate legalization process.
 
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Acolyte of Zinglon

Acolyte of Zinglon

Wizard-Ninja
supavape420 said:
Omniscient said:
We have to do our part and vote; to bad prop 5 didn't pass. http://www.prop5yes.com
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dude where does that play into legalizing marijuana?:rolleyes:
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its a further step of decriminalization

i voted yes on 5, and told my gf to do the same, i was disappointed that it didnt pass, i really hate that feinstein lady...

i wasnt as dissapointed about 5 as i was about 8 though
 
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Hennessy1414

Hennessy1414

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Acolyte of Zinglon said:
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i wasnt as dissapointed about 5 as i was about 8 though
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holy shit i can not believe that :o its like were german nazis stopping them from their life
 
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Purple-Days

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You and I and our grand-childrem (USA) will never see unregulated, legal marijuana.

Ya gotta have a boogie-man. :2c:
 
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Zaireeka

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I sincerely doubt that Obama will really do anything for legalization, or even decriminalization, of marijuana. As stated before, one of the only things he can really do is tell the DEA to stop raiding medical patients and their providers.

I do still have hope that decriminalization will occur throughout more of the country. With Michigan now allowing medical MJ and Massachusetts decriminalizing amounts under an ounce, it looks like people in this country are finally starting to wake up and realize how much good can come of this beautiful herb.

Common sense will prevail in the end; the time of ignorance is nearly over.
 
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Frickr

Frickr

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to many people are making to much money off of it being illegal. with prisons in our country getting tuned over to private coperations, its turnin into big business. not to mention the pham companies. what would they do if there was a universal pain reliever, antidepressant or what have you medicin that anyone could grow at their home? we cant have those companies that make billions of dollars every year suffering as they shove their chemicals that most of the time do more harm then good down our throats now can we?

the biggest thing we need to stop in our country right now is all the bailouts. its not out fault those corperations are failing. why should we have to pay for it? if i were to start up a business and only to have it fail, i bet you i will never see a dime out fo the govermnet to help me out and keep my business running. personally i think we need to have a major redesign of our government and get alot of these major corp owners out of the pockets of all the politiians.
 
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HoneyAir

HoneyAir

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Obama will stop the DEA raids, but that's it.

At the change.gov site, the questions about legalization topped all the other questions, and there were more than one on the subject.

There was only one answer, buried down in the list.

"President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana."

No explanation of the policy... just an evade.
 
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max

max

Out to lunch
Obama will stop the DEA raids, but that's it.
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I think that's the best we could expect from any President at this time. The Drug War, legalization, etc. is too much of a political hot potato. Even if Obama is in favor of legalization, saying so would give the GOP plenty of political ammo to use in the next four years. He's already got a huge hill to climb with the economic mess we're mired in. Redirecting efforts away from packing prisons with people arrested for possession needs to be a quiet, behind the scenes activity. Keeping the DEA from overriding state laws will be a big step in the right direction.
 
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Beezleb

Beezleb

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Im not sure America will ever be like Holland but just by allowing states to decide perhaps some areas can be made like holland. Oh Shangria La!
 
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Beezleb

Beezleb

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You heard wrong. They are limiting the locals and shrinking some of the growth but Amsterdam and other parts of holland will always be.

Things to keep in mind. Holland has two types of drug classes. Hard and soft drugs and Holland hasnt had growth in hard drugs since it changed its stance of weed or soft drugs. I believe Holland is the only country that has not grown in its hard drug use. They are pretty adamant about keeping their stance on their drug policies.

The traffic in forcing women from other countries to go to Europe and prostitute is a major issue in Europe and Amsterdam leads the pack in this regard. Keep in mind prostitution is just about legal in most of Europe I believe so the issue is larger than one country but Amsterdam gets the press for the most part. Organized crime has been proven to be a major factor in Amsterdam red light and I believe most of the direction is at keeping them out, good luck with that.

I lived outside of Masstricht Holland for about 10 years.
 
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youdontknowme

youdontknowme

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Yeah I was so disappointed when I saw the answers to round 1 of "Open for Questions" on change.gov. So I made it a point to register and vote for all the pro-canna questions in round two, but it doesn't seem that we are doing as well thing time with the numbers. I know Obama won't do it (too F'ing bad) but I think the country is getting the wake up call, I go to school in MA and not many people i found opposed the Question 2 ballot initiative but for me decrim is just a nice safety net compared to what you get in elsewhere. it's still not like it makes a real difference since i typically don't plan on being caught. once growing is legal for recreational purposes, ...... whoa. then im pumped. we are definitely on that path...
 
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wally0623

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If the Feds would just stay out of MJ, we'd all be better off. OH has decriminalized MJ and possession here is just a $100 misdemeanor. You can even grow small amounts and give away small amounts without risk of major jail time. I find it hard to believe that the government spends so much time trying to eradicate weed when it has so little "harm" attached to it. They talk about the Mexican violence and gang violence to justify MJ prohibition without (apparently) realizing that if you'd legalize it, our local farmers could grow it and actually ELIMINATE the crime associated with the black market.

Wally
 
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Hennessy1414

Hennessy1414

Terrorist
wally0623 said:
If the Feds would just stay out of MJ, we'd all be better off. OH has decriminalized MJ and possession here is just a $100 misdemeanor. You can even grow small amounts and give away small amounts without risk of major jail time. I find it hard to believe that the government spends so much time trying to eradicate weed when it has so little "harm" attached to it. They talk about the Mexican violence and gang violence to justify MJ prohibition without (apparently) realizing that if you'd legalize it, our local farmers could grow it and actually ELIMINATE the crime associated with the black market.

Wally
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welcome to FC man...awesome post
 
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