Discontinued ThermoVape

[jambandphan03]

I've been running the Evo to drain down my batteries a bit , then testing them. Only one "set" read two different numbers, but all were above 3.2v after several pulls on the Evo per set. I guess they are not as used up as I was imagining. They do seem to get hot pretty fast in the T1 though. I'm just going to have to take it easy on the T1, and try not to chain vape with it. The Evo seems to handle this behavior much better.

 

[darkrom]

While your opinion on what I should and shouldn't do is greatly valued I happen to love the design of the TV and the way it functions, thats what drew me to it. What I do not like however is the batteries. I know the TV can be a great device when a BRAND NEW pair of batteries is put into them because I have had multiple sets of brand new batteries sent to me and everytime I use them the TV works like a beauty. The battery technology is out of TV's control and I'm hoping that they have a fix to this problem soon (which they've hinted they might have). If I didn't like the way the TV is designed and the way it functions when everything is 100% I would have sold it already, but I know what the device is capable of and I am willing to hold out for the better technology.

I know what you are saying and I agree with some of it. I enjoy my T1 as it is though with 8 batteries left functioning out of 12. I do want the new battery technology. I think 3 bowls per set would be amazing. But in the meantime what I'm saying is I bet there will be a new "base" for the TV to support the 18650 battery style most likely. It seems to me like changing the parts out can be much more expensive than just waiting and getting the completed one with the battery you want in it. I want the upgraded one quite bad, but if I wasn't ok with the performance of the T1 as it is I'd just sell it knowing that I can get the better suited one soon enough. Just a suggestion though. I wouldn't want to sell my T1, but that's because I'm happy with how it is holding me over until there is a better battery solution.

 

[OF]

I've been running the Evo to drain down my batteries a bit , then testing them. Only one "set" read two different numbers, but all were above 3.2v after several pulls on the Evo per set. I guess they are not as used up as I was imagining. They do seem to get hot pretty fast in the T1 though. I'm just going to have to take it easy on the T1, and try not to chain vape with it. The Evo seems to handle this behavior much better.

Well done. It can be very hard sometimes to 'sense' such things. And two cell batteries (like the SV versions) can be even harder to get a handle on. But this technique seems to point quickly to truly weak cells. Otherwise, small fairly meaningless difference can have you going in circles in no time.

And you've saved a few bucks, time for a tasty gram or two to celebrate?

Edit: I forgot....yes, T1 does really hammer the poor little guys. They heat in relation to how heavy the current draw is so more heat automatically happens. OF

OF

 

[Futuretvowner]

I know what you are saying and I agree with some of it. I enjoy my T1 as it is though with 8 batteries left functioning out of 12. I do want the new battery technology. I think 3 bowls per set would be amazing. But in the meantime what I'm saying is I bet there will be a new "base" for the TV to support the 18650 battery style most likely. It seems to me like changing the parts out can be much more expensive than just waiting and getting the completed one with the battery you want in it. I want the upgraded one quite bad, but if I wasn't ok with the performance of the T1 as it is I'd just sell it knowing that I can get the better suited one soon enough. Just a suggestion though. I wouldn't want to sell my T1, but that's because I'm happy with how it is holding me over until there is a better battery solution.

I'm kind of confused now because to convert my TV into another unit it will cost the same price as getting the evo but prorated down because I already have the base and battery sleeve. What is this new 1860 battery that you speak of and will I be able to put that battery into my tv1. It seems as though all signs are pointing to a completely new TV coming out but they say everything will work together so I'm assuming I'll be able to convert my TV into that new device.

 

[jambandphan03]

I'm kind of confused now because to convert my TV into another unit it will cost the same price as getting the evo but prorated down because I already have the base and battery sleeve. What is this new 1860 battery that you speak of and will I be able to put that battery into my tv1. It seems as though all signs are pointing to a completely new TV coming out but they say everything will work together so I'm assuming I'll be able to convert my TV into that new device.

At this point we are left speculating. If they do come out with a battery housing for the 18650, that is a 3.7v battery, and will only run the LV items. The only way for that to work with the T1 is if they some how came up with a LV version of the T1 core, and that has yet to be seen. Most likely we are going to see a battery sleeve/casing that will fit the existing interface, and hold the 18650 battery which offers longer run time for the Evo LV or other LV products. Right now, I am just guessing, so don't hold me to any of this.

 

[PB88123]

I'm kind of confused now because to convert my TV into another unit it will cost the same price as getting the evo but prorated down because I already have the base and battery sleeve. What is this new 1860 battery that you speak of and will I be able to put that battery into my tv1. It seems as though all signs are pointing to a completely new TV coming out but they say everything will work together so I'm assuming I'll be able to convert my TV into that new device.

This is an announce and ship company. By doing that it will keep the chatter down on future products and more chatter on what's out and getting people into the best product that is out.

No one can answer your question about what you will need to convert your T1 to the next greatest thing. It's best to wait and see instead of guessing just like everyone else.

As for the discounts. They may be doing better than expected and want to pass along more savings to us. That way they can get the product into more peoples hands. It doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to clear the inventory on a product that just came out.

You will find out all the details with everyone else when it happens. Till then I rather see comments on current products.

 

[jambandphan03]

back onto the batteries again, I had a set that I was running last night, went to run it again this a.m. and noticed a huge drop in performance. I tested the voltage and got 3.29v and 3.30 which I thought would still be enough power to be firing up the Evo. That is still over 6v in combination of the 2 batteries, so why is the performance dropping at this voltage?

*I put those same batteries back in the evo, and it just took a little longer to get up to temp. so I guess I didn't let them run long enough to get to full glow on the first try this morning.This is one of the reasons I like the 3.7v because you only have one battery to mess with and figure out. It is good learning experience though.

 

[OF]

back onto the batteries again, I had a set that I was running last night, went to run it again this a.m. and noticed a huge drop in performance. I tested the voltage and got 3.29v and 3.30 which I thought would still be enough power to be firing up the Evo. That is still over 6v in combination of the 2 batteries, so why is the performance dropping at this voltage? I am learning all kinds of new stuff because of these vapes.

Nothing in life is simple, electronics more so, and batteries especially. The next step in the puzzle gets harder to deal with for most casual folks, we need to measure the drop under load. This measures that internal resistance thing that's what makes the heat and causes the in service drop. Ever notice how your car battery can be fine to run the lights but can't crank the engine? In fact, the lights wink out when the 12 Volt battery collapses when you hit the key. Same deal. Capacity at high rates isn't there. To test for this you need a reasonable level load, it doesn't have to be exact. Over the years I've used light bulbs, resistors, coils of wire, all sorts of stuff. Yesterday, when testing the proposed supply for the PA for Evolution we used a real live Evolution cart to get the 'under load' voltage. It drops trivially.

For your uses, I suggest you split those two cells and combine them with two others (marking these) to see if one is causing the problem (most likely). You might also be able to ID it by heat, it should be hotter than it's mate just after running hard.

Well make you an electrical type yet.....

HTH.

OF

 

[Peloton]

Yesterday, when testing the proposed supply for the PA for Evolution

OF

Oh?

 

[PhreedomPhries]

OF, I recall someone a while back mentioning that these RCR123a's are rated for rapid charging. But it seems a rapid charger has eluded availability? I think if TV could source/sell a rapid charger for the current cells, we'd be looking at a swell situation with 15-30 min charge times. No?

 

[OF]

OF, I recall someone a while back mentioning that these RCR123a's are rated for rapid charging. But it seems a rapid charger has eluded availability? I think if TV could source/sell a rapid charger for the current cells, we'd be looking at a swell situation with 15-30 min charge times. No?

Funny world. It turns out to not be as easy as I first thought it might be....at least not yet. If only for myself it'd be fun I think. There's just not too many dedicated options for 3.0 Volts, 3.7 has much better support. Might have to build one the old fashioned way......

I want to do some more poking at it. This chemistry seems to be growing all the time. For now, other things are more pressing. Like playing with testing the 8...

OF

 

[jambandphan03]

So I got brave, and put the Evo on the top of my 510 voltage reader, to put it under load, and it went from 6.6v no load to 5.4v w/ load. I was not sure this voltage reader was going to play nice with the Evo being such a power hog, but it seems to be working just fine. This is a great little tool to have. http://www.ecigarette-mods.com/voltage-meter-cov/

That was with the same batteries mentioned, that I used last night with the Evo, and tested this morning. A fresh charged brand new set reads: no load 7.2v under load 5.7v with the Evo in line. I can possibly do this same test with the T1 core, it is also threaded 510 at the bottom, to see how big of a drop in voltage the T1 puts on these batteries. This probably isn't any new info, or might not be very useful for some of you, but it is helping me understand the way the TV products function with these batteries lifepo4 batteries.

 

[SameOldTim]

Everyone,

We always try to let you know first here what we are coming out with next. All of our devices are modular and will work interchangeably with our other devices so that no early adopters get left behind.

Sorry if i take some time to reply to your questions here, its been busy taking care of everyone while still making all these cores that we need to get out the door.

And remember all, 25% off for memorial day!!! Code: MEMORIAL25

Cheers,

Tim

 

[OF]

I can possibly do this same test with the T1 core, it is also threaded 510 at the bottom, to see how big of a drop in voltage the T1 puts on these batteries. This probably isn't any new info, or might not be very useful for some of you, but it is helping me understand the way the TV products function with these batteries lifepo4 batteries.

At the risk of repeating myself, "you go, girl!".

Yes, you can thread the T1 core in too and check it out. Just watch out, it gets hot fast.

Congratulations.

OF

 

[zmurder]

and we're really excited about our collaboration with ThermoVape for American Made Portable vapor with a Glass Vapor Path --- yeah you heard right!!!

I've been asked thousands of times to recommend the best portable vaporizer in my opinion and could never really do it with conviction until the ThermoVape. I just couldn't stomach the off-gassing of plastic smells and who knows what else to say nothing of the dry and harsh delivery....but ThermoVape changed all that with some really innovative technologies including a proprietary element from the medical device industry and a porous ceramic wafer (bio-compatible non-alumina ceramic) that evenly diffuses heat for clean convective vaporizing without hotspotting. And not only are they American Engineered and Manufactured (in CA like Vrip), but the founders are as smart as they are cool and in reviewing our IP and their design and manufacturing capabilities we have found some serious synergies that I'm confident will benefit both companies and the customers we serve given our complementary product models.

Not much activity over on the vrip page, so I was just wondering if this Vrip + ThermoVape collabo has been discussed over here?

 

[jambandphan03]

Not much activity over on the vrip page, so I was just wondering if this Vrip + ThermoVape collabo has been discussed over here?

First I've seen of it...

 

[Futuretvowner]

First I've seen of it...

same

 

[OF]

First I've seen of it...

Actually, it's been mentioned (as a future project) several times I believe, just no details. This is generally in keeping with TV's business model for internally developed products, I assume the same holds true now? They tend to announce things when they're ready to put up on their page (meaning stock on the shelf in most cases?).

Not as much fun for us, but I understand the reasoning behind it. I'm sure when it gets here it'll first rate and know I'm not alone in that. Thanks for the pointer.....for those keen on calculations of total barnyard foul populations prior to their incubation.

OF

 

[PhreedomPhries]

Actually, it's been mentioned (as a future project) several times I believe, just no details. This is generally in keeping with TV's business model for internally developed products, I assume the same holds true now? They tend to announce things when they're ready to put up on their page (meaning stock on the shelf in most cases?).

Not as much fun for us, but I understand the reasoning behind it. I'm sure when it gets here it'll first rate and know I'm not alone in that. Thanks for the pointer.....for those keen on calculations of total barnyard foul populations prior to their incubation.

OF

Wouldn't that be fowl, there, OF? Or maybe I did not keep up with the play on words...

 

[OF]

Wouldn't that be fowl, there, OF? Or maybe I did not keep up with the play on words...

Yes, sometimes I have too much pun and folks get lost. It can get dull otherwise.

Hey, at least one guy is reading?

Thanks.

OF

 

[zmurder]

Actually, it's been mentioned (as a future project) several times I believe, just no details. This is generally in keeping with TV's business model for internally developed products, I assume the same holds true now? They tend to announce things when they're ready to put up on their page (meaning stock on the shelf in most cases?).

Not as much fun for us, but I understand the reasoning behind it. I'm sure when it gets here it'll first rate and know I'm not alone in that. Thanks for the pointer.....for those keen on calculations of total barnyard foul populations prior to their incubation.

OF

I just searched "vrip" in this thread and the first result I get is my post above. But I haven't been keeping up with this thread. Looking forward to hearing more from either of the teams.

 

[t-dub]

IIRC a mysterious photo popped up, and disappeared just as quickly, of the glass "inner-liner" for the T-1 Should have hit "right click save photo as" but I didn't . . .

 

[jambandphan03]

I saw that too , and it was a nice glimpse into what may be... even if it was only a prototype.

 

[zmurder]

*edited*

oh right, this one

 

[t-dub]

THAT was it!!!