Discontinued ThermoVape

[Dogman]

I never 'pack' any bowls for my vaporizers, I always leave it very loose for the hot air to be able to surround the flower particles and get as much vaporization as possible.

The only time I have had combustion issues is after I dump it in my hand and do a re-grind for the last couple of hits, and that is only if I am not being careful enough and bang it while it is upright, letting the smaller pieces fall into the coil.

I absolutely LOVE my TV1!

 

[weedemon]

I load about 70-80% full, lightly packed at most. I have reached combustion a few times in the past, and I believe that was due to long pre-heat times and a super fine grind.

Edit: I haven't added any screens to my bowl, once I switched to a medium grind I have had significantly less clogging issues.

this is how i pack my bowls too.

 

[Pipes]

This is actually a very interesting question. I have been experimenting on just how little I can put in and still get reasonable hits. Been trying to match the quantity with a full battery life. Seems about 1/2 full seems to hit the mark for that goal. Also, the lower you go the quicker the herb preheat hit starts.
I find if I fill the bowl I have to use additional batteries to finish it completely. Truthfully I was disgarding some herb which had some life still in it before, as I was assuming it was leached but found it was not. Those little bits of partial greenish still have some juice.
In using my home made PA I can better judge what is happening now. So far I can confirm the performance is influenced by many things which I was assuming was battery issues.

If slide switch does not feel right performance suffers. Needs cleaning even if you can't see problem.
Sweaty hands make it hard to keep good pressure on the switch as well.

Sometimes a good pressure spin with your thumb kicks the element to start. The grind feel from slide spin seems to co-inside with heat up. Confirmed with 3 different spring switches which I have from RES, and REV adapters. Thinking of bathing in contact cleaner but hesitant. Wondering if this would be OK?

Sometimes vapor starts to feel cool but you are still getting it. (trying to fool you)

As for combustion, definitely possible if herb is dry and been crushed mid way. This is preventable as the taste gets pretty potent just before it happens. Again, using the PA has me experimenting with this. I find stopping a a certain point (taste) on the intake process you can actually get 10 hits on a 1/2 bowl without any blacking at all if careful. But can't really do this with batteries as it is wasteful on battery life. With batteries tendency is to get as much as you can handle and then some because it counts as 10% of battery life whether you get anything or not.

I have found the supplier which my work got the power supply from and can possibly get more. I have also figured a way the make the handle fairly cheaply and easily. Was actually wondering if there is a market for this? I can always put one together and through it on fleebay I guess.

Update: I made a video of a 1/2 bowl session with PA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_eJq5X5uGzM

Cheers,
Pipes

 

[towelieeeee]

I have found the supplier which my work got the power supply from and can possibly get more. I have also figured a way the make the handle fairly cheaply and easily. Was actually wondering if there is a market for this? I can always put one together and through it on fleebay I guess.

 

[Dj Bass]

I have found the supplier which my work got the power supply from and can possibly get more. I have also figured a way the make the handle fairly cheaply and easily. Was actually wondering if there is a market for this? I can always put one together and through it on fleebay I guess.

I will pay you as well! please please please put me at the top of a waitlist. This thing is so relevant to my interests.

 

[weedemon]

haha depending on the price i would jump on this too

 

[Haywood]

Pipes: My experience is almost exactly the same as yours. Half bowl seems to be the best match for a pair of batteries. And I can always get "one more hit" with the fresh batteries, though I mostly don't take it due to the taste. I watched your video and it could have been me (though I don't have an AC supply). Still "first hit, fresh load" is almost always just priming for me. A tickle in my throat at the end of the inhale, lots of taste on the exhale, but little vapor. Then substantial vapor clouds on subsequent hits, once the load is a little drier and the bowl is warm.

I use the push and rotate method with the slide switch too. Seems to make better contact, though it may just be that it forces me to remember to keep pressure up on the slide. I've also taken to always inserting the batteries positive down, after noticing a little dent in the bottom of two of my batteries (from the contact point in the bottom of the battery cylinder). Maybe from me pushing up too hard in an effort to get more juice out of a dead battery. The positive terminal on the battery is made from harder metal, and doesn't dent from the pointed lower contact, and the contact in the heater section is flat and so doesn't dent the bottom of the battery.

I had a thought while you and OF were talking about switching over to an AC supply instead of a DC supply. There's no vibration in the heating element (from the power) when using DC. There's a 120Hz vibration in the filament (or a 60Hz vibration with a 50% duty cycle if you use a diode). Have you checked with Thermoessence to see if they did any testing on their heater using AC? Wouldn't want to vibrate the filament to death in a month or two. (A full wave bridge and a cap would go a long way to smoothing out the AC without adding much to the cost, if it turns out to be necessary).

 

[OF]

There's no vibration in the heating element (from the power) when using DC. There's a 120Hz vibration in the filament (or a 60Hz vibration with a 50% duty cycle if you use a diode). Have you checked with Thermoessence to see if they did any testing on their heater using AC? Wouldn't want to vibrate the filament to death in a month or two. (A full wave bridge and a cap would go a long way to smoothing out the AC without adding much to the cost, if it turns out to be necessary).

While I haven't asked TV about it, I can pretty much assure you they did not test with AC, nor IMO is there any need to really. There won't be realistic issues with vibration without a lot less support for the element and a lot of iron in the area (there is none now), especially in the core. Good thought of course, as you point out we don't want to cause damage. While a capacitor would much improve the DC component of the power it would also increase the average voltage and call for a new transformer search.

OF

 

[Pipes]

While a capacitor would much improve the DC component of the power it would also increase the average voltage and call for a new transformer search.
OF

With this current draw and the simplicity of the circuit a capacitor would only complicate things. IMO
Also, in much searching the 12 VAC or 24 VAC seem to be the easiest to get. Thus, working with CT windings and diodes seem to be the easiest.

I had a thought while you and OF were talking about switching over to an AC supply instead of a DC supply. There's no vibration in the heating element (from the power) when using DC. There's a 120Hz vibration in the filament (or a 60Hz vibration with a 50% duty cycle if you use a diode). Have you checked with Thermoessence to see if they did any testing on their heater using AC? Wouldn't want to vibrate the filament to death in a month or two. (A full wave bridge and a cap would go a long way to smoothing out the AC without adding much to the cost, if it turns out to be necessary).

These are good points. I am in deed using a diode, in fact 2 (series) as the output I found a little high. I though much about half wave AC rather then DC and honestly vibration never crossed my mind. Thought good for other lights etc, should be OK for this application as well. I did think about the low DC high current and the affect we have all seem to have with contacts and think that the double voltage 1/2 the time would likely improve this gremlin. Any opinions?

FYI, I have ordered a couple transformers and other items and will make a couple units up for fleebay. Will let forum know when up. I am testing my simplified handle tonight and so far it actually works easier as the plug is now out of the way.
As for price, no idea. It will cost me around $30 in materials though and will probably be the starting bid. If there is an interest I will make up more. Maybe put my wife to work....
I am not sure of long term effects on life of the T1 but I would kind of think if it works for a few bowls it should be safe as the weak points (if any) have been hit with the added stress. Also, the bowl is replaceable and not the end of the world. Yes, definitely uncharted territory here but I'm sure enjoying the ride.
Stay tuned.
Oh ya, that first hit was typical for me if the draw is long and slow enough. The wait is shorter when using less herb. Agreed next to impossible with larger bowls. Get the taste only for the most part.

 

[Pipes]

Sneak peek...

Still some testing before putting up for sale. I am also waiting on some beefier DC male plugs for the adapter side.
OF, any advise with safety etc.? Would be nice to be able to adjust power on the fly as seems pretty hot after a few hits. I think it is more because of heat build up as power stays constant and never gives unit much of a break. The way I judged the power was primitive at best. Timed element heat up time from cold to hot between full batteries and external power. Found pretty much the same. However, once hot there is no mercy and find technique changes drastically. If draw too long it will combust as I stated before. Control is key. Man, I'm baballing again, have to stop testing.....LOL

 

[pecosthecat]

I load my up about 80% full, not packed at all. Use a medium grind.

 

[SameOldTim]

Seems like most of you enjoy using all of the bowls capacity.

Now how many of you would be interested in a botanical Vaporizer to fit most 6volt 510 threaded power supply's? Something in the order of half the volume of a T1 and just a slightly larger diameter than a Revolution.

 

[OF]

Seems like most of you enjoy using all of the bowls capacity.

Now how many of you would be interested in a botanical Vaporizer to fit most 6volt 510 threaded power supply's? Something in the order of half the volume of a T1 and just a slightly larger diameter than a Revolution.

Gentlemen, line forms to the rear....

OF

 

[Dogman]

What an excellent idea! Next in line!


I am charging a fresh battery in anticipation!


Tim, you are a marketing and sales devil!

 

[Haywood]

Seems like most of you enjoy using all of the bowls capacity.

Now how many of you would be interested in a botanical Vaporizer to fit most 6volt 510 threaded power supply's? Something in the order of half the volume of a T1 and just a slightly larger diameter than a Revolution.

Well, I guess that depends on how many hits I would get out of a battery. I think the T1 bowl is already on the small size, but since one T1 bowlful pretty much equals one pair of batteries, it works out OK. How much smaller would the bowl be? What would you expect the battery life to be?

 

[Dogman]

Well, I guess that depends on how many hits I would get out of a battery. I think the T1 bowl is already on the small size, but since one T1 bowlful pretty much equals one pair of batteries, it works out OK. How much smaller would the bowl be? What would you expect the battery life to be?

I think Tim is talking about hooking up to a variable voltage Mod e-cig. They use a 18650 battery with an adjustable voltage circuit board. The heating coil would be much smaller, I'm guessing like the Rev, so the battery life would probably be more like days than minutes. I can use my Mod for 4 or 5 days before depleting the battery using e-juice.
Can't wait to see what develops.

 

[NewSchoolExplorer]

Seems like most of you enjoy using all of the bowls capacity.

Now how many of you would be interested in a botanical Vaporizer to fit most 6volt 510 threaded power supply's? Something in the order of half the volume of a T1 and just a slightly larger diameter than a Revolution.

510 thread herbal vaporizer sounds great but my only concern would be its performance. Currently I have both the Rev. and the T1 but having been completely let go of the T1 for on the go medication as the revolution provides better battery life, stronger more potent dosage, and slimmer package.

IF the 510 T2 will preform better than the current model in the sense that it can produce a hotter stream of air than it makes sense to purchase it as the savings in space are very minimal (at least to me).

My question to you is how would this affect performance, loading, and vape production

 

[Haywood]

Well I would certainly put up with a smaller bowl size if it meant significantly longer times between battery changes. And smaller in overall size would be OK too. Still, it takes 30 watts to make the T1 work properly (botanicals, not concentrates or e-juice)...

Right now I'm enjoying my T1, which has completely replaced my MFLB for portable use, and working on putting together a really good, really safe, really fast multicell LiFePO4 charger.

 

[NewSchoolExplorer]

I realized how long its been since I appreciated the T1 and let me tell you she still rocks

 

[OF]

I realized how long its been since I appreciated the T1 and let me tell you she still rocks

Yup, pretty handy little gadget isn't it?

OF

 

[SameOldTim]

It would have improved battery life, hypotheticaly speaking of coarse.....

Lolz

 

[Stu]

It would have improved battery life, hypotheticaly speaking of coarse.....

Lolz

Of course...

 

[OF]

It would have improved battery life, hypotheticaly speaking of coarse.....

Not to be confused with hypothetically listening.

Or hypercritical listening for that matter?

Still, more is better. Well in most things anyway.

OF

 

[Kaptan]

It would have improved battery life, hypotheticaly speaking of coarse.....

Lolz

How far are we from a production power adapter for the t1?

 

[weedemon]

How far are we from a production power adapter for the t1?

i'd also like to know this. we have a fellow board member who is pioneering it. but i havent (but maybe have missed it) seen TV comment on pipes work regarding the new PA he is planning on making for us.

can you plz weigh in on it for us? you are working on a PA yourselves right?