Discontinued Thermovape Cera (Original thread, closed because of chaos)

[Egzoset]

Salutations OF,

I've seen several proposals, some inserting an insulating rod to defeat the heater...

Theoretically, i'm begining to appreciate this feature very much because it could be used as a jack where to plug some external current-limiter or something. If i'm guessing right, an insulating rod with a pair of stator-like (half-cylindrical) contacts would connect the battery's "nipple" terminal to its heater peer through that hypothetical add-on item of mine, euh... Sorry, I've started to think out loud!

 

[OF]

Thanks for the massive update OF! Interested to see what happens next! Can't wait to read your instructions!! I will enjoy them all the more knowing that you wrote them!

You're very welcome. I always enjoy the trips out, but don't like interfering with production there so it's nice to have an excuse for dropping by. In this case I got my DART fixed as well, which needed doing eventually.

I hope you enjoy (and find useful) the instructions, Tim and I went through the major points yesterday, I'll probably write it up today and send it over for comment. No reason to keep it a secret I figure, the misspellings will tip the wise off to the source anyway......

Theoretically, i'm begining to appreciate this feature very much because it could be used as a jack where to plug some external current-limiter or something. If i'm guessing right, an insulating rod with a pair of stator-like (half-cylindrical) contacts would connect the battery's "nipple" terminal to its heater peer through that hypothetical add-on item of mine, euh... Sorry, I've started to think out loud!

That should work. Perhaps easier to do would be a round double sided PCB under the battery with a resistor or diode between layers. I've done this for a flashlight project years back, it works well and is easy to do if you have the material.

OF

 

[charliedontsurf]

First, I want to thank everyone on this forum for their tremendous support of our company.

I am sad to say that I am resigning from Thermo-Essence technologies. I have been under a great deal of stress, and I am now facing fundamental differences of opinion with my business partners, as well as just now beginning the process of going through a divorce. I simply need to refocus my efforts on taking care of myself...

Sincerely,

Noah Minskoff, MD

Cheers to Noah for all his time and energy spent developing vaporizers and assisting the medical community.

The next beer is for the good Doctor. I hope he can come back to the FC community in a social and friendly capacity someday.

 

[Soflo]

I am sad to say that I am resigning from Thermo-Essence technologies. I have been under a great deal of stress, and I am now facing fundamental differences of opinion with my business partners

They're still waiting on a few key bits (like the tool to mix the epoxy to make tail caps). The momentary cap is still not ready to test, the evaluation units got epoxy into them through a vent that needs to be sealed

I think I can connect the dots as to why noah left TV.
I was really suprised to read that someone decided it was a good idea to put toxic epoxy
in a unit that was designed to be a medical device. I for one am not excited to read the word epoxy!
Noah said from the get go that this vape was going to avoid any toxins and plastics.
I wish things would not have been rushed at the last minute to get them out.
I would have rather have had a functioning on/off switch, proper batteries, and NO EPOXY!
Please come back noah!

 

[green2brown]

I was really suprised to read that someone decided it was a good idea to put toxic epoxy in a unit that was designed to be a medical device. I for one am not excited to read the word epoxy! Noah said from the get go that this vape was going to avoid any toxins and plastics. I wish things would not have been rushed at the last minute to get them out. I would have rather have had a functioning on/off switch, proper batteries, and NO EPOXY! Please come back noah!

It would be nice to know where the epoxy is fitting into the equation now.

 

[Medical Mark]

I believe the epoxy is to attach the switch harness onto the Cera at the bottom were there is no heat, vapor or air being pass through or by it in anyway that's the only place epoxy would be needed on this whole unit from what I can tell, I might be wrong but that's what I figure anyway.
Nothing to worry about in the sense of toxins being released or ingested in anyway in my opinion.
Cheers

 

[OF]

They're still waiting on a few key bits (like the tool to mix the epoxy to make tail caps). The momentary cap is still not ready to test, the evaluation units got epoxy into them through a vent that needs to be sealed

I think I can connect the dots as to why noah left TV.
I was really suprised to read that someone decided it was a good idea to put toxic epoxy
in a unit that was designed to be a medical device. I for one am not excited to read the word epoxy!
Noah said from the get go that this vape was going to avoid any toxins and plastics.
I wish things would not have been rushed at the last minute to get them out.
I would have rather have had a functioning on/off switch, proper batteries, and NO EPOXY!

Boy, I can't get over how much I disagree with this. One of us is very very wrong and firing wild accusations around about issues that don't exist and trying to divine stuff into a situation where very few facts are available to him.

Epoxy was a part of the planned product from the start. It's in all the units I've seen in two places. One is a small dab of conductive epoxy in the ground strap connection, the other is to support the spring on the end cap. Both are cold and isolated from the vapor path.

Epoxy was part of the Beta unit Noah personally handed me. This is not a new development. That's the facts of the deal.

Nor do I agree things were at all rushed. In fact, quite the opposite. The release is running later than expected precisely because they didn't compromise on anything along the line in the name of time.

There is no health threat I can see, alarmist opinions to the contrary. And I've looked. Carefully.

I believe the epoxy is to attach the switch harness onto the Cera at the bottom were there is no heat, vapor or air being pass through or by it in anyway that's the only place epoxy would be needed on this whole unit from what I can tell, I might be wrong but that's what I figure anyway.
Nothing to worry about in the sense of toxins being released or ingested in anyway in my opinion.

And MM you'd be exactly right IMO. And unlike many/most I've seen it in person and being made.

Nothing to worry about. TV is honest and not trying to secretly poison anyone I can detect.

OF

 

[SameOldTim]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to touch base with everyone so you have an update straight from the ThermoVape Team. We are very sad to see Noah go; he has been an invaluable part of the team and he will be missed.

We also wanted to update everyone with the status of Cera preorder shipments. We finally received our first ceramic shipment and are on track to ship out the first batch by next week.

We will be sending confirmation emails with each batch of Cera's to confirm your shipping address; we want to make sure everyone gets their Cera at the correct address with the intended cores and accessories.

And for those what want a sneak peak of their Cera...

Cheers,
Tim & The Thermovape Team

 

[Medical Mark]

Wow so nice to see I wonder if mine is sitting in there one where? I hope it's put together allready in a box lol.
By the way we get extra o-rings right? And don't we also get a extra mouth piece with the EO cart ?
I see a whole wack of them (o-rings) in the bag in the pic lol.
Nice Cera Porn

 

[zGaW]

HOW HAS NO ONE SAID ANYTHING YET?!
Thanks for the update, Tim. We all appreciate what you're doing. Words can't express how excited I am to get my hands on this. Gotta go now, that comment made the current piece jealous so I have to go sTrOKE it.

 

[AirDru]

Tim.

your update contradicts the update that was given on facebook and twitter just a few hours ago.
"Parts are in and final assembly for the first batch of Cera shipments is taking place right now! We are expecting orders to ship this week, so keep an eye out for email updates and tracking information!"

so what is it? next week? or this week?

 

[OF]

your update contradicts the update that was given on facebook and twitter just a few hours ago.
"Parts are in and final assembly for the first batch of Cera shipments is taking place right now! We are expecting orders to ship this week, so keep an eye out for email updates and tracking information!"

so what is it? next week? or this week?

Not to worry. The first step is being sure complete units that make specifications can be made with the parts on hand. Second step is to send out confirmation emails. Shipping happens as a third step as folks confirm/update their orders.

When their confidence in step one is high (sure they can build XX units in some time frame) they'll send out XX emails. The emails going out (which is sure to be a much celebrated event) will be the clue that shipping is about to happen. My money's on that (emails) happen before Monday, this time next week units will be going to their new owners I predict....at least give 'even money' odds on.

OF

 

[Bluntcrush]

Hey Tim,
Thanks for checking in here! I love the look of that picture! All those brand new, pretty, ceramic vaporizers!! Just curious: Are the glycerol carts in stock as well? Also if you could briefly outline how it might be different from the original RES system? (which I already own) I'm still on the fence if I want to add this to my existing order...

I hope you guys have an easier time going forward. I know once word gets out about how great the Cera is you will be taking orders hand over fist!! One last question as far as updates go: What is the lead time at present for the latching bottom switches? That I believe will truly set the Cera apart from all of the other vapes in it's class...

Thanks again!

 

[iamn3ko]

This is a part of a picture of some old "Cera-porn" TET posted on FB. Anyone know what these guys are used for?

 

[havealight101]

This is a part of a picture of some old "Cera-porn" TET posted on FB. Anyone know what these guys are used for?

It's the porous ceramic with in the CEO/CGL(?), and there are 4 in each if I'm not mistaken they soak up all your good stuff and evenly feed the core in the center. Straight poop. OF has the long answer...

 

[OF]

It's the porous ceramic with in the CEO/CGL(?), and there are 4 in each if I'm not mistaken they soak up all your good stuff and evenly feed the core in the center. Straight poop. OF has the long answer...

Full points to the brother from far away where it's cold and dark right now. Four is the current number, although Noah said at one point there was a plan for new tooling to make even bigger ones (twice as tall and perhaps even bigger in OD?) so future units might have two (bigger) rings. There's also the top plate of the same material.

OF

 

[VapeStL]

The excitement builds!

Have other vape mfgrs used ceramic like this before?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

ceramic nail, ceramic nail! say it with me and maybe it'll happen
c'mon errybody, you know the words
ceramic nail. lol, or is it just me

 

[OF]

Have other vape mfgrs used ceramic like this before?

Which ceramic? If you mean the porous material used as reservoirs the answer would be no. If you mean the Zirconia used for the body and other 'solid' pieces the answer would be no.

Other ceramics you find in vapes is common alumina (and therefore lighter, cheaper and easier to deal with). The Zirconia is pretty wizz bang. It's what them make synthetic knees and stuff from for instance.

ceramic nail, ceramic nail! say it with me and maybe it'll happen
c'mon errybody, you know the words
ceramic nail. lol, or is it just me

Of course, Bob. There is nobody quite like you you know......we know you know that.....and you know we know......and we know you know we know......

OF

 

[VapeStL]

Which ceramic? If you mean the porous material used as reservoirs the answer would be no. If you mean the Zirconia used for the body and other 'solid' pieces the answer would be no.

Other ceramics you find in vapes is common alumina (and therefore lighter, cheaper and easier to deal with). The Zirconia is pretty wizz bang. It's what them make synthetic knees and stuff from for instance.



Of course, Bob. There is nobody quite like you you know......we know you know that.....and you know we know......and we know you know we know......

OF

OF, could any of the ceramic variants TV uses now be useful as a nail? I've had glass & have Ti. Can't say I like either.

 

[JoeKickass]

The excitement builds!

Have other vape mfgrs used ceramic like this before?

I belive the revolution and dart both used a porus ceramic resovior. And the doughnut ring is the same one from the smooth flow moisture conditioner, or no?

 

[OF]

OF, could any of the ceramic variants TV uses now be useful as a nail? I've had glass & have Ti. Can't say I like either.

Good question. The porous version would be a bad call I'd think, but Zirconia might make an interesting nail..... I wonder if TV has any broken pieces they'd like to donate to science??? I saw a small box with some broken pieces at one point......

I belive the revolution and dart both used a porus ceramic resovior. And the doughnut ring is the same one from the smooth flow moisture conditioner, or no?

I think you're right on about use in Revolution/DART, in fact I think it's the exact same part? The similar material in the SF filter (and the PF for that matter) is not the same stuff I believe. I recall being told the pores were smaller?

OF

 

[OF]

Fellow Vapers,

I know this isn't going to help anyone's angst at the delay in shipment but lookie what I just invented:


It's a little crooked (it shifted some as I soldered it up) and the wing nut is unfortunate (but all the local Hardware Store had in 3/8-24 nuts) but that's a chopped down thread adapter (the one for running Omicron carts on TV supplies in fact) soldered on the nut with the center post trimmed to fit.

It's sitting on the Alpha Ultra supply (the one that uses 14500s) making a full blown Cera oil cart rig that's shorter than the Persei body (alone) and smaller in diameter....a tiny bit under 4.5 inches bottom to tip. Anybody want to guess how it hits?

Gotta get TV on board with this. What we really want, I think, is new adapter pieces (complete with switch) threaded for Cera instead of 510 carts for both the T1 and Ultra supplies. That is replace my kluge and the TV piece under it with a new fitting. Give your existing TV gear a new lease on life.....no, an exciting new life is more like it.

Talk about a DART on steroids........

OF

 

[kushcabbage]

Wow one more picture from OF, one for the history books. Either way, neat stuff. This looks like quite a performer, does it get about as hot as the sv dart in use? This seems like a great hope for users who don't need to go all out ceramic, and keep their nostalgia with their original thermovape gems.

 

[Stu]

It takes something like this to get OF to break out his polaroid and mail the pictures to his grandson to scan and post online. I'm glad he did, for one.