Discontinued Thermovape Alpha Ultralite

SameOldTim

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So the chinese ninja the thermovape ultraMax battery mod..hehehe. But chinese make their to fit 18650 imr and can stack 2x18350 imr for voltage of 7.4v full charge 8.4v which both have more power life then 17670 imr batteries. The shitty thing is it stainless steel housing and posts...which will offer more resistance and unwanted voltage drops unlike thermovape which use alum housing and brass posts for best conduction. I have seen them by 2 names: The Slider and The Cylon. The UltraMax mechanical mod his a voltage lost underload with revolution/Dart 1.5ohz dry core of .2 volts which is amazing! with a wet coil it is .10 with my setup. The Slider his a voltage lost underload dry core of .46 volts they is kind of bad lol and wet core of .3 which is ok. Both was tested with full charge AW IMR 3.7(4.2)volts. I'll sandpaper all the plating of the contacts and post tosee if i get better volt underload.

I just find these funny... :p


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Very intresting, do you have any more picture of it? maybe of the inside and how the cart connects?

Where did you get this one?

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Tim
 
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Silver420Surfer

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Like a cop hitting a Doughnut Shop. Basically they're made for each other. When TV asked me to Beta test the first Revolutions, that's the supply they gave me to do it with (well not that exact one, but the same model and all). One might even say 'Revolution/DART was designed to run on that puppy' 'cuz if for sure was well tested with it. My advice is to jump on it, and a couple of these guys to power it:
http://www.lighthound.com/AW-17670-Protected-Rechargeable-Lithium-Battery_p_101.html

You'll be very happy you did. Great find, IMO. There can't be but a few loose out there left.

OF
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Finally picked up some 17670s from the FC classifieds. OF, Very happy I did. So far out of all my batt choices, 14500, rcr123a, and 17670...the 17670s are my favorite combination using an Apex Ultramax and LV Dart.
Folks, listen to OF, he has every the knowledge on Thermovape gear:p!
 
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Silver420Surfer said:
Finally picked up some 17670s from the FC classifieds. OF, Very happy I did. So far out of all my batt choices, 14500, rcr123a, and 17670...the 17670s are my favorite combination using an Apex Ultramax and LV Dart.
Folks, listen to OF, he has every the knowledge on Thermovape gear:p!
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Fuck yeah, it's a match made in heaven.
 
VapoRoor

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What is up with the mechanical mods on that website provided regarding the Chinese Ninja, I've never seen "battery" devices like these.
Are they any good?

discountvapers.com
 
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OF

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VapoRoor said:
What is up with the mechanical mods on that website provided regarding the Chinese Ninja, I've never seen "battery" devices like these.
Are they any good?

discountvapers.com
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I'm sorry, I don't follow the question....are what any good? Ego 'batteries'? I think most of us think they're OK for what they do. Most, however, are not up to the kind of duty the TV Alpha Ultralite (subject of this thread) is capable of. If you're looking for a substitute for that, e-cig stuff in general isn't going to cut it.....depending of course on what you're trying to do.

Which brings us to 'what do you want to do?'.

OF
 
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VapoRoor

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Well if you click on that website & scroll to mechanical mods it has these industrial looking batteries.
It's called a KTS mechanical mod.
I'm sort of intrigued but I have no idea what it actually is?
Also says 510 thread compatible
 
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VapoRoor said:
Well if you click on that website & scroll to mechanical mods it has these industrial looking batteries.
It's called a KTS mechanical mod.
I'm sort of intrigued but I have no idea what it actually is?
Also says 510 thread compatible
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It's a tube with a place for your battery, a socket and a switch of some sort. No electronics like say a Persei, but a straight 'battery in a tube' like TV products.

I don't know them, some of these style things have happy followings, some are plagued by poor quality and marginal switches. OK for lighter e-cig duty, but pack in when the heavy lifting comes.

OF
 
VapoRoor

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Right, sorry for any confusion. I meant industrial looking housing units for batteries,
However my Heavy-Hitters switch gave out.
The adhesive probably wore off due to the heat created by the LV Dart. So I'm in the market for another device similar to the Alpha Ultralite that can withstand heavy, heavy use.
If only Thermovape would hear my call for help so us unlucky folks that missed out on the last batch of ultra lites can vape away with quality :o
 
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So I'm in the market for another device similar to the Alpha Ultralite that can withstand heavy, heavy use.
If only Thermovape would hear my call for help so us unlucky folks that missed out on the last batch of ultra lites can vape away with quality :o
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So you want small to run a DART? This is one of my favorites (a genuine Pipe's special in fact):
http://www.litecigusa.net/Joye_ego_c_Twist_650mah_Manual_Switch_Battery_p/ego-twist-650.htm

There's a bigger (1000 mAh) version. it's kinda long IMO but does run longer. It's a VV head but power limits about four Volts (dial it past that and it doesn't get hotter, but doesn't hurt the unit) with a LV DART. Tough little unit, I've used mine a LOT with no troubles.

It'll hold you over until the Ultra Lite comes back.....

OF
 
Quetzalcoatl

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I dunno guys, I was trying to get the Ultra Lite too and was pushed away towards the Ultra. Jam had the Ultra Lite and didn't like it... You'll need to carry more batteries than with the Ultra though. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want one for e-cig, though.
 
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OF, much appreciated. Much appreciated.
And I think we all know the ultra light might be resurrected.
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You're welcome. Anything is possible, of course, but as the Q man posts below, it's probably not for everyone.

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I dunno guys, I was trying to get the Ultra Lite too and was pushed away towards the Ultra. Jam had the Ultra Lite and didn't like it... You'll need to carry more batteries than with the Ultra though. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want one for e-cig, though.
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That's my opinion as well. For routine use, the 14500 based Ultra is a better option than the 10440 based Ultra Lite. Not only is it only slightly longer (and not much more in diameter) but the battery life is over twice and it can use AW IMR batteries which not only blow the doors off the smaller 'regular Li-ions' but they take deep discharge abuse a whole lot better than the unprotected little guys. If you need bitty, it's cool, but if small will do I think there are better options.

OF
 
VapoRoor

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Oh damn. I WAS NOT aware of that.
I use my LV dart around 5 to 15 hits in a day. & 15 hits is when I'm medicating HEAVY.
so given that info, is the ultralight for medium use only?
 
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Oh damn. I WAS NOT aware of that.
I use my LV dart around 5 to 15 hits in a day. & 15 hits is when I'm medicating HEAVY.
so given that info, is the ultralight for medium use only?
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Gee, what sort of duty would you expect Ultralite to be good at? It's not Ultra Medium..... It uses basically the smallest possible battery available. It's a lightweight IMO. You'll get something like 25 hits if you're very careful IIRC. To get that I had to do reloads every 50 mg, say every 6 or 8 hits? Loading too much (or too little) slows it down too much burning up battery. IIRC it's 350 mAh, DART pulls something like 2.5 Amps (3.7 Volts divided by 1.5 Ohms) so we can expect something like .14 hours (.35 Ah/2.5 Amps), a bit over 8 minutes total. Not a lot.

More importantly that bitty battery has much higher internal resistance, meaning the actual delivered power will be less (the battery itself will heat more than larger ones doing the same work) meaning well have to hang on the button even longer eating the battery all the faster. 2.4 Ohms is a heavy load to this guy, 1.5 is crushing. If you try to run a Evolution on one you get about 1 and a half hits.

OF
 
Silver420Surfer

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OF said:
Gee, what sort of duty would you expect Ultralite to be good at? It's not Ultra Medium..... It uses basically the smallest possible battery available. It's a lightweight IMO. You'll get something like 25 hits if you're very careful IIRC. To get that I had to do reloads every 50 mg, say every 6 or 8 hits? Loading too much (or too little) slows it down too much burning up battery. IIRC it's 350 mAh, DART pulls something like 2.5 Amps (3.7 Volts divided by 1.5 Ohms) so we can expect something like .14 hours (.35 Ah/2.5 Amps), a bit over 8 minutes total. Not a lot.

More importantly that bitty battery has much higher internal resistance, meaning the actual delivered power will be less (the battery itself will heat more than larger ones doing the same work) meaning well have to hang on the button even longer eating the battery all the faster. 2.4 Ohms is a heavy load to this guy, 1.5 is crushing. If you try to run a Evolution on one you get about 1 and a half hits.

OF
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VapoRoor

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I though Ultralite just meant its a small device. My heavy hitter gets 15 minutes of run time and I have you to thank for that knowledge OF.
I was thinking the Ultralite would last an hour..... I now see I was mixing up the Ultra & the Ultralite. My mistake.
Just one question, you said 1.5 ohms is crushing to this Ultralite. Is the dart not recommended?
 
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Mynameismud

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Silver420Surfer said:
Finally picked up some 17670s from the FC classifieds. OF, Very happy I did. So far out of all my batt choices, 14500, rcr123a, and 17670...the 17670s are my favorite combination using an Apex Ultramax and LV Dart.
Folks, listen to OF, he has every the knowledge on Thermovape gear:p!
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Is the ultramax the same thing as a T1 base unit? I love my Ultra but now you have me wantingand ultramax!!
 
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I though Ultralite just meant its a small device. My heavy hitter gets 15 minutes of run time and I have you to thank for that knowledge OF.
I was thinking the Ultralite would last an hour..... I now see I was mixing up the Ultra & the Ultralite. My mistake.
Just one question, you said 1.5 ohms is crushing to this Ultralite. Is the dart not recommended?
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You're welcome.

Yes, small package, and with that small battery, that's the rub. You can run the DART well enough, but two dozen hits total is about it at best. And the DART runs a bit cooler. Fresh it's on par with a 14500 half gone, give or take. It's really at it's best with lighter loads I think.

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Is the ultramax the same thing as a T1 base unit? I love my Ultra but now you have me wantingand ultramax!!
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Yes, there are 3 sizes, with two different size switches. They use 10440s, 14500s or 17670s depending. The last is a neat battery, the killer flashlight guys developed it as I understand it, to replace the 123As the Surefires and the like eat up. A real performer, just what we really want....

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OF?
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Sorry, I've no idea what the question is. Can you use those guys for DART? No, not really. They're too big to fit the UL (although you could put them in the Ultra) and they would be too powerful for even the SV DART. FWIW there's a half size 10mm one too, 10240 or something like that. I've got a pair somewhere, they're flyweights for sure. Even though the voltage is way too high, the losses are huge too so the SV Revolution I ran on it actually worked. Sorta. It ran hot for a few hits, good for a few, then a few weak ones. Total wash out IMO.

Those are the right batteries for the HV version of Omicron I think?

OF
 
kingofnull

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OF said:
You're welcome.

Yes, small package, and with that small battery, that's the rub. You can run the DART well enough, but two dozen hits total is about it at best. And the DART runs a bit cooler. Fresh it's on par with a 14500 half gone, give or take. It's really at it's best with lighter loads I think.



Yes, there are 3 sizes, with two different size switches. They use 10440s, 14500s or 17670s depending. The last is a neat battery, the killer flashlight guys developed it as I understand it, to replace the 123As the Surefires and the like eat up. A real performer, just what we really want....



Sorry, I've no idea what the question is. Can you use those guys for DART? No, not really. They're too big to fit the UL (although you could put them in the Ultra) and they would be too powerful for even the SV DART. FWIW there's a half size 10mm one too, 10240 or something like that. I've got a pair somewhere, they're flyweights for sure. Even though the voltage is way too high, the losses are huge too so the SV Revolution I ran on it actually worked. Sorta. It ran hot for a few hits, good for a few, then a few weak ones. Total wash out IMO.

Those are the right batteries for the HV version of Omicron I think?

OF
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I was thinking more for running 7.4 V D9 carts than DARTs on the Ultra. A stack of those batteries with a hammer on top of an Ultra? Yes please.
 
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kingofnull said:
I was thinking more for running 7.4 V D9 carts than DARTs on the Ultra. A stack of those batteries with a hammer on top of an Ultra? Yes please.
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Since the Hammer Top is a vape head (latching switch action), I assume you mean the 1200F cart? IMO not a chance. By the time it gets hot enough to be of use the poor batteries will be hiding under the covers. I'd have to go measure it again, but IIRC the Hammer cart draws about half again the power of Evolution (close to 30 Watts) which gets a single modest hit with much better batteries.

You don't see guys rushing to put two of these into a HV Omicron for this use.....IMO for good reason.

No problem with trying, of course, but I'd save my money......

OF
 
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