The WISPR vaporizer

jeff

Well-Known Member
So I just found some baby bottles of vector. http://www.vectorkgm.com/ Got one at the local headshop.
Seems to be about 1/3 the amount of gas and only $1 cheaper than the 320ml bottle. Worth it for portability.


Anyone know of any videos on taking apart, cleaning, replacing screens etc on the WISPR or iolite? The only one i found was of an excessively high stereotypical college kid. Not very helpful.
 
jeff,

OF

Well-Known Member
jeff said:
So I just found some baby bottles of vector. http://www.vectorkgm.com/ Got one at the local headshop.
Seems to be about 1/3 the amount of gas and only $1 cheaper than the 320ml bottle. Worth it for portability.


Anyone know of any videos on taking apart, cleaning, replacing screens etc on the WISPR or iolite? The only one i found was of an excessively high stereotypical college kid. Not very helpful.

I don't know of any such videos, but the Iolite is no problem (I understand the Wispr is basically the same?). Do it at least warm. I unscrew the stem from the metal insert (easy to do hot). Put the bowl face down on the deck (threaded hole up) and insert the tool (I use a bamboo skewer with a flat end barely able to pass the threads) and press straight down.....hard. There is a retaining ring and screen holder glued in there. You're pushing on the screen holder (with the famous seven holes) not the screen itself. The screen, holder and ring all go forward together, scraping the walls as they go. When the screen hits the deck, take the bowl assembly up and hold it for a final push to get the stuff inside free.

Cleaning the bits is easy and straight forward. I usually flame the screen, get it glowing hot with a torch type lighter, very easy to brush what's left off. The rest seems to wipe clean easily.

It's easy to put the screen and holder in again when clean, to fit the retainer put it in sideways with the gap down. Push it down a ways before trying to straighten it up so it's parallel to the screen. A .30-06 class cartridge case is just under a half an inch and makes an excellent tool for pressing it down squarely, although you can 'inch it down' a bit at a time with most anything, the key is to keep it square with the bore.

Actually, it's easier to do that write about .... or read about for that matter I bet?

The little gas can looks like a good idea if you can find it (none of the local smoke shops around here stock any Vector, rather off brands of Korean gas), the small 'cans' I suggest are easy to refill and have the advantage of being clear. They are common here, selling for about $1.50 in those same smoke shops and convenience stores (sometimes). The first one I got actually had visible stuff floating around in it so I wouldn't recommend using it.

OF
 
OF,

VaporNinja

Well-Known Member
I'm thinking of picking up one of these instead of waiting for the mivape, but i heard so many people mentioned about the bad taste, has anyone tried soaking the silicone tube in hot water? is this vape a good buy?
 
VaporNinja,

Gonzo

Slightly Stoopid
I love my WISPR. I have found the last few hits at the end of the bowl can have a neutral taste when compared to the first 10 - 15 hits. Definitely nothing that would alarm me or stop me from finishing the bowl. I would recommend the WISPR to anyone looking for a good portable.
 
Gonzo,

jeff

Well-Known Member
VaporNinja said:
I'm thinking of picking up one of these instead of waiting for the mivape, but i heard so many people mentioned about the bad taste, has anyone tried soaking the silicone tube in hot water? is this vape a good buy?


I am not sure what this bad taste is. I have noticed 0 bad taste. If anything that is my only complaint. I miss the tastiness of my strains. As someone mentioned in the beginning it is tasty for the first several pulls, then switches to neutral, neutral like air. The only time i have ever had a bad taste is if you inhale air that is not from inside the vape, like cigar puff style, and at that very moment the unit expels some butane. But the unit rarely expels any butane so it is not really a problem. If it does, it is during the heating cycle. Best to pull after said cycle anyway.
 
jeff,

Gonzo

Slightly Stoopid
I agree with you Jeff. I never get a bad taste. Just nice tasting hits at first then very neutral hits. As far as butane, I don't think the unit is supposed to expel any butane. If the unit is functioning correctly the butane should be used and broken down into CO2 in water vapor form. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. This is how I understood the process to work though.
 
Gonzo,

jeff

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Gonzo said:
I agree with you Jeff. I never get a bad taste. Just nice tasting hits at first then very neutral hits. As far as butane, I don't think the unit is supposed to expel any butane. If the unit is functioning correctly the butane should be used and broken down into CO2 in water vapor form. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. This is how I understood the process to work though.


When it has been on and cycling for a long while on occasion, my unit seems to discharge some butane. It is like it injected it but didn't burn it or need to burn and it is expelled. Or maybe it is that vapor and just still smells of butane. As this is a ways into the session, my powers of observation are probably not amazing at that point. :)
 
jeff,

Gonzo

Slightly Stoopid
jeff said:
my powers of observation are probably not amazing at that point. :)

I have to agree with you again. My WISPR gets me just as medicated as any of my other pieces and I find myself using it at home often. Sundays are always my go to WISPR day because of ease of use while Football is on.
 
Gonzo,

jeff

Well-Known Member
Gonzo said:
jeff said:
my powers of observation are probably not amazing at that point. :)

I have to agree with you again. My WISPR gets me just as medicated as any of my other pieces and I find myself using it at home often. Sundays are always my go to WISPR day because of ease of use while Football is on.

It gets me hella medicated. My only complaint is that while it will hit in 45seconds 5-10 minutes is better, and also that it takes like 20 min for a session. But damn does that thing get me lifted. I find most of the complaints against this unit that I have read about to be unfounded and or just a lil over the top picky, IN MY OPINION. There is no bad taste, the thing gets hot (duh), it is noisy (really it is that loud come on). Nothing will ever be perfect.
 
jeff,

bean

Member
Hi, I am new to this site but came on to look up the iolite. Sure glad that i did. Hubby and I are a couple of baby boomers who thought vape would be better for us. I ordered one of each of the iolites for Xmas. We don't like either one. the hits are so weak. Bought them from 1% has anyone ever had any returns to these folks?

Please give me all of the help you can. Going out to combust. yuck.

thanks. Bean
 
bean,

OF

Well-Known Member
bean said:
Hubby and I are a couple of baby boomers who thought vape would be better for us. I ordered one of each of the iolites for Xmas. We don't like either one. the hits are so weak. Bought them from 1% has anyone ever had any returns to these folks?

Please give me all of the help you can. Going out to combust. yuck.

thanks. Bean

Howdy, Bean, welcome to the fun. First off, you're not alone, far from it. There's a very large (and growing) bunch of us ladies and gentlemen of a more traditional time who have come to understand they are not really immortal. And that smoking *anything* is not a good idea if you really did want to live forever (or even at this point to live more comfortably). Smoking is not cool, avoiding it is. Good on ya. Keep at it, the rewards are there.....we're here to assure you that happened to us. Few indeed (if any) want to go back to combustion once they understand and master the new art.

That said, since most folks seem to end up very happy with their Iolites so it stands to reason that the unit and it's abilities are working for them. The chances you got two defective units seems small indeed. I'm sure you can sort it out, hey a whole not of folks with less going for them do so all the time, right?

You need to understand that vaporizing is not the same as smoking. Don't bring your smoking based expectations to the party. When you smoke, your one and only body gets poisoned by lots of stuff better avoided. You get a rush from this that's doing you no good. Guys 'get loaded' from bowls of tea and other stuff that has zero THC all the time (or at least think they do), right? That won't be happening when you vaporize, hopefully. It's more like eating it, the effect is isolated and can 'sneak up on you'. It is very real none the less, which is why we buy all this funny gear and keep at it.

Get some good bush to try out. Something 'in the high teens' THC content wise if possible. Grind it fairly fine, much finer that for a bowl or joint. Error on the side of too fine. You need *surface area* to work, small pieces. This is important, big chunks will slowly roast giving low production over a longer time. We're Americans. We want it all, and right now! Right? Fill the bowl up, we want a fair bit of material in there so each little bit can cook slower and the total will be enough for us. But the hot air needs to flow easily though and past each bit, don't pack it too tight. While it varies a lot with the bud you're using, try something around 200 or 250mg (a fifth to a quarter of a gram) perhaps. Load it in the body, tank up the gas (I weigh my units to determine this, they hold a bit over 3 grams of fuel for a 85 gram total (which varies a bit from unit to unit, a couple grams in my case)). Fire that puppy up and wait.

While it's heating, think about what we need to do. Eventually the aluminum well the bowl fits into will come to working temperature heating the bowl and load with it. However, the bowl and load will still be too cool to work, we must draw air slowly through (where it gets heated to working temperature) and through our weed to do the important work. The heat has to go from the body to the air, then to the herb. Without the proper airflow it's not happening.

Ready? OK, think about what we need to do next: Draw air thought at the right rate. Too slow, no joy. Too fast, it's going to cool off too much loosing joy on the other end. After it's cycled a time or two, draw very slowly (not like toking up at all, more like smoking the hubbly bubbly). Don't expect 'huge clouds', that's what the kids and recreational smokers are into, we want the THC without the garbage. You can hardly see your exhaust if you're doing it right. Remember, most of what used to make smoke is being left behind in the herb. The volume of herb used is way down, the visible vapor even further. You need good light to see it, even with your good glasses. Trust me. Remember, no rush, you're not being poisoned.

You should taste it some at first, but that (lighter) stuff is the first to 'boil off', most of the THC comes off later with little or no taste of it's own. But it is being boiled off, toke it right and it's yours! Give it time to recover temperature, remember if it drops a dozen degrees or so production will stop while you still draw warm tasteless air through. One hit per cycle (every 45 seconds or so) seems a good place to start. After 20 or so draws it should be spent and you should be medicated without getting hit over the head. Shut it off, put it down, wait a bit and enjoy. Again, you can't trust your usual clues as most aren't there. But the THC will be, it has to have gone somewhere.....

Your problem is using an entirely new technique to get a new result, both at the same time. Those of us who already know what to expect from vaporizing are half way there and can easily get a handle on whatever device we're given.

Another couple of ideas are worth considering IMO (I often do both). First off, the Iolite 'Optimiser'. Yes, I know, more money for something that doesn't work, but many of us find it does increase surface contact and much improve production even if it does take up some space in that tiny bowl. Makes cleaning it out a snap as well. I also address the 'lack of taste' issue with some (usually 50 to 100mg) fine ground bubble hash in the bowl. I split the weed load in half, put the first half in evenly, then sprinkle the hash on top and follow it up with another layer of weed (which soaks up the goodness when the trics melt). Works great, IMO. Economically double or more the THC delivered and gives some fun taste in the process. If you can get bubble hash at your local provider, give it a try. Here $20 grams as high as 50% THC happen fairly often, I like to keep a few grams handy. I find I get two such 'spiked bowls' per gas charge (each burns about 1.3 grams of fuel over 20 minutes). My usual charge is 125mg (1/8 gram) of top shelf bud finely ground (I use a $15 coffee grinder a gram or two at a time) for about 20mg of THC with say 50mg (1/20 gram) of 50% hash for another 25 or so doubling the available medicine. Sometimes even a bit more hash. We 'only' need to get a fraction of that 40 or 50mg (say five or a bit more). I usually get two sessions per bowl. I switch it off after say 10 tokes and sneak a few more as it cools off saving the rest for later. Later it starts up slower but still delivers the goods.

Anyway, you're on the right track and you're in good company. Everyone falls off the horse early on, get up, dust yourself off, and get back on. Beats walking I'm tellin' ya. Come back for more free advice, but PLEASE don't go back to the dark side.....you know it's not a good thing to do if you want to live forever.

Best wishes.

OF

Edit: Hey, one other thought, if you've waded through all that rambling above, you've proven your intent and willingness to work it out. Load it up and get with the program. As they say, "come on in, the water's fine".
 
OF,

mvapes

Scratchin' Glass!
Accessory Maker
I am really interested in a new portable vape. I still use and love my Iolite but have read alot of good things about the solo too. Now, keep in mind that I have also read alot of bad things about the solo as well. I dont mind the hissing or the butane but like something that hits like a champ. On top of my confusion now comes along the thermovape which looks like it may be the next big thing. Im looking for opinions from anyone who may have used both the solo and obviously the wispr. Looking forward to your thoughts.

:peace:
 
mvapes,

Gonzo

Slightly Stoopid
I own a WISPR and a Solo and find the both about even as far as vapor production. Both will produce big clouds IMO. This is about where the similarities end though.

I ave owned the WISPR for about 3 months now and it has performed flawlessly every time, every day. I use it at least once a day, every day for the past 3 months and have enjoyed every session.

My Solo, not so much. Once again, this is my opinion. The first day the Solo arrived it smelled. About 30 - 40 burn ins later it still smelled. ISO wife, still smelled. Baking top cap and ISO wipe, still smelled (see where I'm going with this) The Solo page on this site didn't get to 146 pages by people singing it's praises.

In the end I sent the Solo back and am still awaiting the return. In fact, I have not got a response from Arizer in about a week even though I have sent them numerous Emails. Still hoping..... In good conscience I can not recommend the Solo to anyone. When I buy something I expect it to work. If it doesn't I at least expect to be treated nicely by the customer service of the company to resolve the issue. So far, neither has happened for me. Just wanted to give my honest opinion. Maybe I should have done it in the Solo thread but was asked for the opinion of someone who owned both.

Edit* Even though the clouds from the Solo were substantial for a portable, the smell and bad taster were things I could not get past. Hope this helps.
 
Gonzo,

jeff

Well-Known Member
bean said:
Hi, I am new to this site but came on to look up the iolite. Sure glad that i did. Hubby and I are a couple of baby boomers who thought vape would be better for us. I ordered one of each of the iolites for Xmas. We don't like either one. the hits are so weak. Bought them from 1% has anyone ever had any returns to these folks?

Please give me all of the help you can. Going out to combust. yuck.

thanks. Bean

Really OF could not have said it better. You are giving up way too early. I am a recent Vapor-convert. It has been a little less than a month. I love my WISPR. At first I wanted to return it. It is a different experience you have to get adjusted. No big clouds of smoke. But you can still make yourself choke on a huge vapor rip. I actually can't wait to get some water filtration going. I hook my WISPR up to a helix Mouth piece and it is so smooth. Any way I digress. You should keep up with it a bit more. It conserves an amazing amount of medicine, and gets you seriously medicated. It also lasts really long. I can get rocked for like 4 hours. Can't remember the last time combustion did that. It actually gets me impaired. Which I can't remember combustion doing.

You need to play a while it is like you are learning to smoke again. OF's instructions were excellent. You need to experiment figure out how much medicine, how long to vape what works for you. As he said grind fine. When i got this I had a medium size aerospace grinder, the other day i got a tiny grinder to take out with me. it is like a bottle cap size. grinds so much finer and the vapor hits so much better. Now i just need to find a tiny 4pc grinder that will grind as fine as that so I can easily collect pollen instead of grinding in the thimble thing and dumping it in the grinder to collect pollen.

The other important points he makes are heating it up. It will hit in 45seconds. But it is not at its prime. If you let it heat up for like five minutes empty fill it. Let it cycle once or twice filled then hit it, much better vapor. He also told you the technique to use to draw. And I agree hitting it after the heating cycle is way more productive. The other point he makes is that unless you are blowing it in the light you likely are not gonna see much vapor because it is not smoke.

Also, I feel like no matter how much you put in there, you have to session a while. Like 20 pulls to get all the THC used up out of it. And you will be way more medicated than if you smoked it.

M VAPES Thermovape looks cool. I just googled it. But it will still suffer the MFLB battery issue. So who knows how good that will really be.
 
jeff,

Gonzo

Slightly Stoopid
I usually load about 3/4 full and let the WISPR heat up for 3 cycles before starting to hit it. After 3 heat cycles with nicely ground material I am producing nice, tasty clouds. I also use my WISPR through water all the time and love the way it works. My favorite is using it with my small tree bubbler with warm water, YUM! :ko:
 
Gonzo,

max

Out to lunch
jeff said:
I feel like no matter how much you put in there, you have to session a while. Like 20 pulls to get all the THC used up out of it.
How many hits you need to finish a bowl really does depend on how much you have loaded. You can load a small amount and certainly get it all vaped with nowhere near 20 hits required.
 
max,

jeff

Well-Known Member
max said:
jeff said:
I feel like no matter how much you put in there, you have to session a while. Like 20 pulls to get all the THC used up out of it.
How many hits you need to finish a bowl really does depend on how much you have loaded. You can load a small amount and certainly get it all vaped with nowhere near 20 hits required.

Maybe. I am not counting and merely stating my opinion. In my opinion the thing hits for a long while. Longer than you think regardless of the quantity placed in there.
 
jeff,

OF

Well-Known Member
jeff said:
In my opinion the thing hits for a long while. Longer than you think regardless of the quantity placed in there.

With ya on that one. And it's not a simple deal. As I read it, to vape fast it has to be ground fine. Put big chunks in and it's going to go slow no matter what else is up. Likewise packing it tight slows it up (I'm thinking air channels through the mass rather than flowing around the bits?). More also increases the heat load of course which should slow the rate but not too much as long as you're not pushing it too much (there's a far mass of warm metal and that helps).

That said, the rate times the quantity determines the volume of vapor produced. Yes, less does leave more hot air to work on the material (per gram), but the rate isn't going to be all that much faster (it's still going to take 20 pulls or so to exhaust it, depending on what you start with and what you consider exhausted of course).

It does last a long time, longer than most expect. Far past the loss of flavor, to the point you think all your getting is hot air. Sometimes when I get to this point (not that I'm at all medicated of course) the oil taste in my mouth fools me into thinking there's nothing there until I exhale into the light and see it's still producing. This is one of the reasons I like adding a bit of bubble hash, for whatever reason the flavor seems to last longer through the session.

Fun tool. By no means as simple as it seems at first. It's very much subject to how the user runs it.

OF
 
OF,

jeff

Well-Known Member
So I posted that I was getting better results with a finer grind. This is true. For a while I had no problem with my fine grind. Now it started getting clogged? Hard to Pull? At the end of a session. The screen seems to be getting clogged. I switched to the fine screen and it seems to be worse.

any tips?

Anyone using both the regular screen and the fine one the same time? Anyone put the fine one behind the regular one. so it is medicine, regular screen, fine screen, mouth?

Thanks Guys.
 
jeff,

OF

Well-Known Member
jeff said:
So I posted that I was getting better results with a finer grind. This is true. For a while I had no problem with my fine grind. Now it started getting clogged? Hard to Pull? At the end of a session. The screen seems to be getting clogged. I switched to the fine screen and it seems to be worse.

any tips?

Anyone using both the regular screen and the fine one the same time? Anyone put the fine one behind the regular one. so it is medicine, regular screen, fine screen, mouth?

Thanks Guys.

Yes, eventually you will clog the screen, at least in most cases. It seems to depend a lot of the herb. The current one I'm using goes a long time between cleanings, the one before would start to jam up in the first dozen uses.

No big deal. When it's still warm unscrew the stem and press the screen out from the back through the threaded hole. Use the provided tool or a bamboo skewer (my favorite). It should just barely fit the threaded hole, it has to span the center hole in the 7 hole plate and push the plate, screen(s) and retainer out as a unit. I press straight down onto the table top then hold it in my fingers for the last bit of the trip down the bowl. I flame the SS screens. Hold them in 'metal fingers' and hit them with the butane torch until they glow then brush off the ash and put it back together.

Two tricks to assembly are something the right size to push stuff back in with (I use a .30-06 shell case) is handy to have keeping stuff square and when you put the ring back on top, start it in sideways with the gap down for a ways, then turn it horizontal and press it down.

Yes, I've used screen packs. But other way around, you want to back the screen up with a coarser one, not provide cavities to fill with junk. It's 'herb-fine-medium-coarse-7 hole-you'.

I find dumping the bowl while still warm and scraping the walls and bottom gives more use between cleanings as well. Otherwise, cleaning is a two minute deal.

OF
 
OF,

jeff

Well-Known Member
This was like straight away after cleaning and putting in the fresh unused fine by itself. Towards the end of the session it feels clogged or hard to draw on. You can bang it free. You just literally have to take out bowl and bang it.

Maybe it just got a little to fine.
 
jeff,

Gonzo

Slightly Stoopid
Sounds like the grind is too fine. I have this problem at times when I grind too fine.
 
Gonzo,

Vitolo

Vaporist
During my period of time with the Wispr, I found too fine of a grind to slow draw as well.(it would gravitate toward the top screen.)
 
Vitolo,

jeff

Well-Known Member
It is gonna be a fine line. It for sure seems to hit better with the finer grind.
 
jeff,

OF

Well-Known Member
jeff said:
It is gonna be a fine line. It for sure seems to hit better with the finer grind.

Agreed. I tend to grind for performance and accept shorter time between cleanings. I find the cleaning no big deal at all and think I'd ultimately do it even if the fouling was very modest.

Again, the idea is to get good vapor. Other stuff takes importance after that.

OF
 
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