Its like the og davinci in the sense that I wouldn't mind if i dropped it. Compared to my pax2 if i dropped it i would mind!
The Summit by Vapium (Formerly MARK 1)
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CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Ok, just came back and read the last few posts here. Looks like my last few statements caused some responses. And it looks like I got sum 'splainin' to do.
To clarify, I would later say in the next post "This is the only Outdoor electronic vaporizer out that I am aware of that is carving out that niche and I'm optimistic that they are making changes and tweaks with each batch." I suppose I could argue it is a matter of familiarity. But lets not get hung up with the semantics and be honest here. it is clearly MARKETED as an OUTDOOR vape. Go to the Website. It shows images of the rugged outdoors and guys with backpacks. Yes there is a ton of portables out there and new ones coming out every week, or so it seems like anyway. But none of these try to sell you on the notion of being able to take it on an outdoor hike. Sure you could take your MFLB and get by. No prob. But it isn't exactly electronic either. See what I mean? I never, ever said, claimed or implied that other portables can not be taken outdoors. But portable to me isn't the same definition as "Rugged" or "Outdoor". Especially when the manufacturer is purposely making that claim.
Now does it meet my personal criteria for what a rugged outdoor vape should be. Umm, well no it doesn't. You "got" me there, I guess. It does weigh only 250g! The lid is attached to a loop at the end of the unit. The GO button has an image of a mountain SUMMIT. It is easy to clean with a single pipe cleaner. The individual parts are manageable. And the screens have loophole hooks on the end. So you could string them together and not lose them. It utilizes an auto-shutoff timer and under the right conditions, it can work it's magic in a single puff. It might even be wind friendly in that respect. The designers did put their ole bean into that area.
Yes, All the points Dr Vape mentioned in his post are accurate. In short, It makes no solid claims to be weatherproof, outside of the drybag that came with it. (and a picture of some snow bunnies in a photo OP.) Much less an IP code. Which would please me greatly if ANY model of vaporizer would adopt that standard. Perhaps a few of you wanted to make that point out to me. Don't worry. I'm not easily swayed by hype or marketing. Just the facts, Mam.
Maybe in time or when the Summit 2 comes out there will be a portable that is more outdoor friendly (Waterproof/Water resistant, Dust-proof, Shock-proof, Freeze-proof, etc). But as I was trying to say earlier.This is the only Outdoor electronic vaporizer out that I am aware of that is carving out that niche. But I will remain optimistic.
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CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
In my humble opinion I think in order to truly call the summit an outdoor vaporizer and for it to have any meaning at all it would require a feature such as shock-proofing, weather-proofing, or even water resistance otherwise it is just another vape with another clever marketing slant.
Their rugged and outdoor vape claims are simply empty marketing words to sell naive people especially considering there is not one single feature that sets the summit apart as an 'outdoor' vape at all.
This does not mean that the summit is not an exceptional piece of equipment it only means their marketing angle is empty and hollow.
I do try to give credit where it is due. You can attach the unit to a carabiner. The lid is attached by a cord to the bottom. Not thrilling or innovative. But a practical consideration for me that honestly separates it from other units.
Rugged is a more defined term to me and leaves little to subjective ambiguity. I can say I own a Rugged camera that is "Waterproof to 43 feet, shockproof from 6.5 feet, freezeproof from 14 degrees Fahrenheit, and pressure resistant to 220 lb". This camera's waterproof / dustproof rating complies with the “IPX8" and “IP6X" ratings. etc, etc. That is the raw data that I can use for any electronics. If I do a search for a Rugged Something-Something, then I prepare myself for specs and IP ratings. (or at least quasi-IP) Meanwhile....
YES my Summit says "Made in China" clearly on the back. It did ship from Las Vega and I've been talking to a REP who sounds American on the phone. If that has any type of bearing for you. Unlike say one that ships directly from China or a distributor's website.
What's that a waterproof Vape you say??? I dug in a little myself. Product description from Made-in-China.com for the Cobra:
"Feature:waterproof ,inductive charging ,silver heat chamber,can connect special small glass pipe work well,original from VProcig."
I'd be skeptical of the Chinese translation in the description first.
The mouthpiece does look like it flips open/close. Which is unique. If it is at all legit. Or they modified a shaving cream dispenser.
Well at least somebody was thinking of us. Summit, you now have a challenger.
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Kief
Medicated
I agree with this ^. In order for a vaporizer to be considered "rugged" and/or "all weather" it really needs to meet those points above. IMO, you should also be able to use it for playing fetch with Fido like they did with the T1.
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
I'm going to add Dogproof as my new criteria for an outdoor vape.
Perhaps a new IP rating system. IP4 = chew toy. IP6 being that dogs can play a game of tug of war with it.OK, I've had a couple days now with my new Summit ordered from VapeWorld.
Short review: Hey, I like it! It works.
Longer review:
It's small, it's light, it's convenient. You can pack enough in for a day hike or whatever, and just hit it now & then (90 second shutoff to standby). The short time-out means I don't have to feel like I have to keep hitting it for a full, say, 10-min. session, like my Air. Sometimes "session vapes" don't always taste so good when you come back to a load later.
Also, while not quite as tasty as the Air, to me it makes up for it in convenience & stealth. It's smaller (can almost hide in my lady hands). And I really appreciate the weird haptic feedback buzz when I'm driving. No need to look to see if it's ready. The main thing I like is, it is all self-contained, no need to fool around with delicate glass stems, screens, mouthpieces, etc. while out & about, or in the dark.
The mouthpiece did have a horrid plastic smell at first but it dissipated after some burnoffs, which I did while fully discharging the battery the first time before doing a full charge. I also cleaned it with ISO. That seemed to help. Once I loaded it up, though, the smell was history.
At first I was disappointed in the amount of visible vapor, esp. on low temps, which are my favorite. But even so, I was definitely medicated! That could actually be a huge advantage as far as stealth is concerned. Higher temps of course yielded substantial vapor. But that was all with only half a tamped bowl. When I filled the chamber to the top, it worked much better even at low temps. I tamped it down but not that hard. I'm wondering if it would work well with a spacer screen of some kind for a smaller load.
It gets warm in the hand but not too much. The mouthpiece is pretty large so I actually have to back off & take shorter draws than with some other vapes. It's not a standard size or shape mouthpiece so unless Ratchett invents some 3-D printed adapter for water tools, this is strictly a "dry" vape. Simple, no fuss, no attachments. Someone here posted about making a DIY adapter for it; if you're reading this, perhaps you could bless us with a picture or explanation of how you did it.
I see folks complaining about losing the USB port cover; I didn't even get one to lose, much less 3 replacements. Most phones & gadgets don't have a USB cover either. I don't really miss it. Another great thing is it charges really fast, in under an hour sometimes.
Can't figure out how this "dry bag" thingy is supposed to work, if that's what the little black nylon bag is. it doesn't close or seal at all, just rolls up & has some plastic clips that look like they are made to attach to something. Seems like a couple heavy duty Ziplocs would work better.
Haven't experienced the magnetic oven cover getting dislodged, but it does look like a possible weak point. Nothing a broccoli rubber band can't fix.
So I can vape in the car on the way to the pool. But Vapium, when are you gonna make something I can use through my snorkel?
Short review: Hey, I like it! It works.
Longer review:
It's small, it's light, it's convenient. You can pack enough in for a day hike or whatever, and just hit it now & then (90 second shutoff to standby). The short time-out means I don't have to feel like I have to keep hitting it for a full, say, 10-min. session, like my Air. Sometimes "session vapes" don't always taste so good when you come back to a load later.
Also, while not quite as tasty as the Air, to me it makes up for it in convenience & stealth. It's smaller (can almost hide in my lady hands). And I really appreciate the weird haptic feedback buzz when I'm driving. No need to look to see if it's ready. The main thing I like is, it is all self-contained, no need to fool around with delicate glass stems, screens, mouthpieces, etc. while out & about, or in the dark.
The mouthpiece did have a horrid plastic smell at first but it dissipated after some burnoffs, which I did while fully discharging the battery the first time before doing a full charge. I also cleaned it with ISO. That seemed to help. Once I loaded it up, though, the smell was history.
At first I was disappointed in the amount of visible vapor, esp. on low temps, which are my favorite. But even so, I was definitely medicated! That could actually be a huge advantage as far as stealth is concerned. Higher temps of course yielded substantial vapor. But that was all with only half a tamped bowl. When I filled the chamber to the top, it worked much better even at low temps. I tamped it down but not that hard. I'm wondering if it would work well with a spacer screen of some kind for a smaller load.
It gets warm in the hand but not too much. The mouthpiece is pretty large so I actually have to back off & take shorter draws than with some other vapes. It's not a standard size or shape mouthpiece so unless Ratchett invents some 3-D printed adapter for water tools, this is strictly a "dry" vape. Simple, no fuss, no attachments. Someone here posted about making a DIY adapter for it; if you're reading this, perhaps you could bless us with a picture or explanation of how you did it.
I see folks complaining about losing the USB port cover; I didn't even get one to lose, much less 3 replacements. Most phones & gadgets don't have a USB cover either. I don't really miss it. Another great thing is it charges really fast, in under an hour sometimes.
Can't figure out how this "dry bag" thingy is supposed to work, if that's what the little black nylon bag is. it doesn't close or seal at all, just rolls up & has some plastic clips that look like they are made to attach to something. Seems like a couple heavy duty Ziplocs would work better.
Haven't experienced the magnetic oven cover getting dislodged, but it does look like a possible weak point. Nothing a broccoli rubber band can't fix.
So I can vape in the car on the way to the pool. But Vapium, when are you gonna make something I can use through my snorkel?
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Vape Dr.
Well-Known Member
@OyVape I'm sure @Ratchett is already thinking of WPAs for the Summit because the MP is detachable.
I have a usage video on youtube where I show a quick fix for the magnetic chamber lid so if you drop it you don't loose your herbs without a rubber band.
Heres a quick step by step.
Get a 5/8ths screen and a AAA bettery
Wrap the screen around the negative (flat side) of the AAA battery
Flatten the top so its like a bottle cap
Fill up your chamber and place the screen in the chamber like so
This will keep the load in the chamber even if the oven lid pops off.
IMPO it transfers heat better because it's metal as opposed to the stock plastic oven lid.
It is also very convenient for 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 packed chambers.
I use a safety pin that I made a little hook with needle nose pliers which I keep on my key chain to push the screen down and to remove it.
This safety pin also works to remove the chamber screen.
A car key will work to remove just the DIY "keeper" bottle cap screen as well.
Hope this helps!
I have a usage video on youtube where I show a quick fix for the magnetic chamber lid so if you drop it you don't loose your herbs without a rubber band.
Heres a quick step by step.
Get a 5/8ths screen and a AAA bettery
Wrap the screen around the negative (flat side) of the AAA battery
Flatten the top so its like a bottle cap
Fill up your chamber and place the screen in the chamber like so
This will keep the load in the chamber even if the oven lid pops off.
IMPO it transfers heat better because it's metal as opposed to the stock plastic oven lid.
It is also very convenient for 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 packed chambers.
I use a safety pin that I made a little hook with needle nose pliers which I keep on my key chain to push the screen down and to remove it.
This safety pin also works to remove the chamber screen.
A car key will work to remove just the DIY "keeper" bottle cap screen as well.
Hope this helps!
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CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Your Drybag needs to fold over 3x then snapped shut.
I have had mine for more than a week and agree with you about session usage with this unit. Enough that, I have commented here on it's open throat as contributing to this. Using the extra screens as top screens help with the heat and the lack of draw resistance (and any worries over the oven lid falling off). I can't say I have had any oven lid problems either. But I do double wrap one of those silicone wrist straps around the lid. (Usually a freebie item. anyway) It also helps with the whole draw resistance thing I mentioned earlier. I am saying the vapor from this unit is all there, But it is indeed a ripper. Sometimes I don't taste the potent vapor until I exhale. Kinda why I double top screen and use the wrist strap to tame it a little
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Drybags take a little working at first. But once you figure out how the seal thingy is meant to work. then it is a matter of technique.
1) After you place your gear in the drybag. Match the two strips back to back, nice and even. Burp out any air in the bag out of the corner, if needed. But keep that seal together.
2) Fold the straps toghether over the bag. Make sure that the seal between the two is intact as you roll it over the bag. DO this at leats 3 times. Then close the clip.
If you did it right, whatever air that is left in the bag will not come out of the bag. If you are still frustrated then go to Hiking related You tube or a hiking website. Drybags are great for hiking. GREAT!!
I have had mine for more than a week and agree with you about session usage with this unit. Enough that, I have commented here on it's open throat as contributing to this. Using the extra screens as top screens help with the heat and the lack of draw resistance (and any worries over the oven lid falling off). I can't say I have had any oven lid problems either. But I do double wrap one of those silicone wrist straps around the lid. (Usually a freebie item. anyway) It also helps with the whole draw resistance thing I mentioned earlier. I am saying the vapor from this unit is all there, But it is indeed a ripper. Sometimes I don't taste the potent vapor until I exhale. Kinda why I double top screen and use the wrist strap to tame it a little
.Drybags take a little working at first. But once you figure out how the seal thingy is meant to work. then it is a matter of technique.
1) After you place your gear in the drybag. Match the two strips back to back, nice and even. Burp out any air in the bag out of the corner, if needed. But keep that seal together.
2) Fold the straps toghether over the bag. Make sure that the seal between the two is intact as you roll it over the bag. DO this at leats 3 times. Then close the clip.
If you did it right, whatever air that is left in the bag will not come out of the bag. If you are still frustrated then go to Hiking related You tube or a hiking website. Drybags are great for hiking. GREAT!!
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@OyVape I'm sure @Ratchett is already thinking of WPAs for the Summit because the MP is detachable.
I have a usage video on youtube where I show a quick fix for the magnetic chamber lid so if you drop it you don't loose your herbs without a rubber band.
Heres a quick step by step.
Get a 5/8ths screen and a AAA bettery
Wrap the screen around the negative (flat side) of the AAA battery
Flatten the top so its like a bottle cap
Fill up your chamber and place the screen in the chamber like so
This will keep the load in the chamber even if the oven lid pops off.
IMPO it transfers heat better because it's metal as opposed to the stock plastic oven lid.
It is also very convenient for 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 packed chambers.
I use a safety pin that I made a little hook with needle nose pliers which I keep on my key chain to push the screen down and to remove it.
This also works to remove the screen with.
A car key will work to remove just the screen as well.
Hope this helps!
Actually, I have a feeling that my Indica SonG's would work perfectly for that. If it doesn't, I'd love to help but I'd need the mouthpiece or accurate dimensions of one for me to build my WPA around
@Ratchett just say the word my friend and I'll send you my summit to try out and get mouthpiece dimensions as soon as I get back in town!
"Word"
Lol, PM me when you're back in town, we'll get this busted out in a week or two
"Word"
Lol, PM me when you're back in town, we'll get this busted out in a week or two
Yay team! This is what I love about this place.
Gardenerjeff
Author, Teaming Series of Organic Grow Books
How are folks packing their weed? I just got my unit. On level 6 I get one good cloud and then have to wait about 30 seconds to get another....doesn't seem right. Liking the sizes and feel of the unit.
Gardenerjeff
Edit: ah, fine grind, full pack and firm....
Gardenerjeff
Edit: ah, fine grind, full pack and firm....
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CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
IMHO - Coarse grind seems to suit this particular vaporizer. Not to firmly packed either. Just seems to waste and brick up the materials, otherwise. I have also been posting some of my thoughts about the (lack of) draw resistance of this unit in this forum.
Deep Cigar puffs - Closing the throat first, draw into the mouth till full, then inhale, repeat a few more draws like this then finally exhale. This method doesn't seem to overtax the heater in the unit also. As opposed to ripping.
Try the bottle cap method like Vape Dr. pictured or using the extra screens like I've mentioned. This might heat up your materials with some more consistently. If you change your draw technique, the oven won't clear itself of heat as quickly and the vapor already in the oven will contribute to the heat of the next draw. There has been some discussion about what is absorbed on the FC forums latley, if you want a little FC research about the matter of "cloud quality" being relevant to results. Plus go over the posts in this thread. I have also been getting a different range of vapor quality on the 4 & 5 settings. Hope this helps,
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IMHO - Coarse grind seems to suit this particular vaporizer. Not to firmly packed either. Just seems to waste and brick up the materials, otherwise. I have also been posting some of my thoughts about the (lack of) draw resistance of this unit in this forum.
Deep Cigar puffs - Closing the throat first, draw into the mouth till full, then inhale, repeat a few more draws like this then finally exhale. This method doesn't seem to overtax the heater in the unit also. As opposed to ripping.
Try the bottle cap method like Vape Dr. pictured or using the extra screens like I've mentioned. This might heat up your materials with some more consistently. If you change your draw technique, the oven won't clear itself of heat as quickly and the vapor already in the oven will contribute to the heat of the next draw. There has been some discussion about what is absorbed on the FC forums latley, if you want a little FC research about the matter of "cloud quality" being relevant to results. Plus go over the posts in this thread. I have also been getting a different range of vapor quality on the 4 & 5 settings. Hope this helps,
Hey, thanks for the cigar technique idea. Having never smoked a cigar, I never would have thought of it. I will try it and report how it works. All suggestions have been helpful, especially the cover screen with smaller loads. And yes, that does provide some needed draw restriction.
I have this incredibly sticky herbs that I have to tear into teeny tiny pieces 'cause it is just not grinder material. (See my thread in Ask FC, "Too sticky to grind.") This vape seems to handle it just fine. In fact, it's downright dangerous. I don't taste anything till the exhale, and the visible vapor and smell seem much less than some other vapes. But jeez, does it get me medicated!
Gardenerjeff
Author, Teaming Series of Organic Grow Books
I have a defective unit. Only get one good cloud when the light turns green. It is downhill from there. I can taste it, but there is no cloud formation after that first hit. It is warm, but I think not hot enough. I packed tight, loose and in between.
I like the size and the form and feel and will try and get them to replace it. Anyone had problems getting enough heat?
Teaming,
jeff
I like the size and the form and feel and will try and get them to replace it. Anyone had problems getting enough heat?
Teaming,
jeff
Nope, not user replaceable. But it seems to take less than an hour to charge & they give you a nice quality USB charger.
Quite the opposite--sometimes too much heat! It does sound like it's lacking. Do you fill the whole chamber or just part?
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Gardenerjeff
Author, Teaming Series of Organic Grow Books
I have tried it all ways... Full, half fill,tampted and not. One good
I'll each time.,.
Teaming
J
Gardenerjeff
I'll each time.,.
Teaming
J
Gardenerjeff
CuckFumbustion
Lo and Behold! The transformative power of Vapor.
Old technique - Use a pair of scissors and the corner of an envelope (or a shotglass). Just open & close the scissors a little with the point end facing in the corner of the envelope. A small amount of short snipping action will help with anything clingy and sagelike.
Toy scissors actually work quite well.
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
This is what mine was like and it's a known issue, I believe. At least my VW rep knew about it and didn't hesitate to accept the return.
Liking this thing more and more. Used it at an outdoor pool yesterday, people sitting <6 ft away couldn't even tell. Virtually no smell even on exhalation! But it definitely gets me ripped.
Has anyone figured out how to clean the area below the bottom of the bowl where it goes to the vapor path? The instructions say pull the pipe cleaner back and forth with both hands, but I haven't found a way to get the pipe cleaner up through the hole on the bottom of the bowl. There appears no way to open this vape for further cleaning.
Has anyone figured out how to clean the area below the bottom of the bowl where it goes to the vapor path? The instructions say pull the pipe cleaner back and forth with both hands, but I haven't found a way to get the pipe cleaner up through the hole on the bottom of the bowl. There appears no way to open this vape for further cleaning.
neverforget711
Well-Known Member
Dr. Plutonious
Well-Known Member
Just picked one up today. For a portable, it's not bad for the price point. Hits hard enough and functions easily. I've enjoyed it this far. The size is a plus too.