The risks/odds of being caught ordering oil/concentrates internationally

[ghost.]

So, unfortantelly i live in this place called Bangkok Thailand where marijuana ( form of bud, as oil has not come about and is not as familiar here yet)is very strict and illegal to use. my wonder is. how risky is it/ what are the odds of one or two liquid droppers filled with cannabis oil a long with 8 other drops mixed with a flavored lquid of the same color being spotted out, tested, and checked before being sent to mine, and if i were to do this, would the sender be held responsible or the person receiving said goods

thank you for your help. sorry if i am posting in the wrong section .

hope someone can help me out as i really want to order some , either through a friend or the deep web... i dont know how risky it is with oil as it shouldnt be too ahrd to ditect no? my friend once brought it from the states in his wallet....

appreciate the help in advance!

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[mrbonsai420]

I think if you get it from someone you trust that will double vacuum seal it you should have no issues. I have had great success state side. The sender puts a "Fake" return address (real but not theirs) but your address and name should be real to not raise red flags IMHO. This way the shipper doesn't have anything to worry about after drop off and you have very little to worry about. Personally I think the risk is about the same as Driving across the city to go buy it and driving it back to my house.

 

[macbill]

A good way to evaluate: What will happen if you get caught? Will they throw you out of the country,or let you experience their prisons for 10 or 12 years? How much risk are you willing to take?

 

[1DMF]

If you live in Thailand, then I assume you know the penalties...it has to be one of the worst places in the world to be caught with illegal drugs of ANY kind.

Don't get me wrong, I have smoked the odd reefer while visiting family out there, but even the locals who scored for me (close family friends), emptied normal fags and then repacked with herb and tobacco so it looked like a fag with filter and everything!

If the locals are shitting themselves about getting caught that much, that's gotta tell you something!

Seriously consider if going away to the Bangkok Hilton for rather a long time is worth the risk for a sneaky toke?

You also have to consider if the amount you are buying could constitute enough for dealing and even worse still if receiving it in this method is considered importing / smuggling, because then you are in serious

If I knew that the first time I ever got caught with dope I was going to prison, I wouldn't do it, luckily I'm not living in such a stupid ass country!

Good luck with what ever you decide, this is simply my

 

[mrbonsai420]

I know I said in the states I don't think it's THAT risky (Still always a big risk in non-legal states, but so is driving through undesirable parts of town in my city). But Penalties are obviously stiffer where you are bro. It doesn't sound like a slap on the wrist scenario. I guess I would weigh the pros and cons on this one and the cons seem huge. Have you seen locked up abroad? Sorry to get your hopes by condoning it up there and then chiming in on the consequences here but these guys are right

 

[CarolKing]

It looks like cannabis can bring prison time in Thailand but usually it's a fine. The police I read are very corrupt. I would be very careful. I read the meth is a major issue for them now and they treat that more serious than cannabis. Not sure if they would treat cannabis oil differently than cannabis flowers.

If it's illegal tread with caution.

 

[1DMF]

The police I read are very corrupt. I would be very careful. I read the meth is a major issue for them now and they treat that more serious than cannabis.

You are correct Carol, and if you have enough money you can get away with murder, literally!

So yes if you have enough money to bribe police to stay out of prison, and you are willing to take the chance that they don't stiff you anyway (come on they are corrupt, hence you trying to bribe them!) and you are willing to take the chance that on your occasion they don't decide to use you as an example to others....Still not sure I'd risk it!

The meth thing is a big problem, they call it 'Yaba', but not sure if it's USA crystal meth or just a bit of billy.

Not even sure what the real difference is, I myself never understood the big deal in USA about meth and meth labs and the stigma USA has with it.

To us ravers it's just a bit of billy, what's the big deal?

 

[Mr. Gweilo 420]

So, unfortantelly i live in this place called Bangkok Thailand where marijuana ( form of bud, as oil has not come about and is not as familiar here yet)is very strict and illegal to use. my wonder is. how risky is it/ what are the odds of one or two liquid droppers filled with cannabis oil a long with 8 other drops mixed with a flavored lquid of the same color being spotted out, tested, and checked before being sent to mine, and if i were to do this, would the sender be held responsible or the person receiving said goods

thank you for your help. sorry if i am posting in the wrong section .

hope someone can help me out as i really want to order some , either through a friend or the deep web... i dont know how risky it is with oil as it shouldnt be too ahrd to ditect no? my friend once brought it from the states in his wallet....

appreciate the help in advance!

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Dumb, dumb, dumb. No man, just no.

 

[kellya86]

If your purchase using bit coins or some alternative and use the tor network or some other method of making yourself anonymous, then the package has no link to you, until you physically take the delivery and touch it. Doesn't have your name on it, and no record of who ordered it. Virtually no risk.

The only issues iv had is when customs heldy package back. But that's the worst that can happen in my experience.

 

[Tommy10]

You are correct Carol, and if you have enough money you can get away with murder, literally!

So yes if you have enough money to bribe police to stay out of prison, and you are willing to take the chance that they don't stiff you anyway (come on they are corrupt, hence you trying to bribe them!) and you are willing to take the chance that on your occasion they don't decide to use you as an example to others....Still not sure I'd risk it!

The meth thing is a big problem, they call it 'Yaba', but not sure if it's USA crystal meth or just a bit of billy.

Not even sure what the real difference is, I myself never understood the big deal in USA about meth and meth labs and the stigma USA has with it.

To us ravers it's just a bit of billy, what's the big deal?

I live in Australia where it's much more relaxed, and I wouldn't consider it! As far as I understand cannabis extracts like BHO and hash are consider class 1. Which leads me to believe you wouldn't want to be accidentally caught even making them be it for personal use! Thanks the crack down on meth the punishment for manufacturing is high! Dunno if they'd throw it at you for some personal use oil, but stranger things have happened!

To my understanding in Australia the difference between what is considered crystal meth anphetamines typically smoked or injected and "speed" "goey" or other names usually eaten and snorted with much less social stigma comes down to its purity and smoke ability. If one attempts to make a breaking bad type glass smoke able product and fails it is called speed, also quality meth is cut down and sold as speed. As a recreational user is more comfortable buying a gram bag and splitting it a few ways vs smoking a single point of more pure stuff. the old school classic European speed like goos and such hardly exist, if I am correct in assuming top quality smoke able meth anphetamines is less knowing in the uk compared to speed? As for the stigma in the USA and other countries, I think comes down to the fact it's smoked. Like crack and powdered coke, one always has a harder time. Not sure personally if the administration of a substance changes it's overall risk, it's well known that the things typically found in crystal meth will ruin your teeth, mouth throat and lungs so maybe other was of administration is safer. Also hits the brain a lot faster, and I'm sure there is a correlation between this and addictiveness. Hence why cigarets are so addictive and yous rather ingest liquid or tablet morphine before injecting opiates, much less dragon chasing with a slower come up one would assume.

 

[Roth]

If your purchase using bit coins or some alternative and use the tor network or some other method of making yourself anonymous, then the package has no link to you, until you physically take the delivery and touch it. Doesn't have your name on it, and no record of who ordered it. Virtually no risk.

The only issues iv had is when customs heldy package back. But that's the worst that can happen in my experience.

Nearly all transactions on the dark web marketplaces require you to use a real name/address. If you start getting mail sent to an address with the wrong name on it, it brings immediate suspicion.

@1DMF what's billy?

 

[kellya86]

A real address yes, not a real name. And even if you do use your real name, it has no link to you. Who's to say you ordered it? This is what has to be proved in court.
And it's too much hassle so they don't bother. I used to do it every week at one point. But haven't done it for a year now.

There can be people living in houses who are not the registered Tennant, like children. So I think it's unlikely that a different name on an address would cause any suspicions at all.

And Billie is what an old school cheesy quaver might call speed. I can still get the sticky, stinky, gooey, yellow crap. Last time I tried it again, (after 10 years abstinence), I was awake for 3 days, house was spotless though. But never again.

 

[Tommy10]

A real address yes, not a real name. And even if you do use your real name, it has no link to you. Who's to say you ordered it? This is what has to be proved in court.
And it's too much hassle so they don't bother. I used to do it every week at one point.
There can be people living in houses who are not the registered Tennant, like children. So I think it's unlikely that a different name on an address would cause any suspicions at all.

And Billie is what an old school cheesy quaver might call speed. I can still get the sticky, stinky, gooey, yellow crap. Last time I tried it again, (after 10 years abstinence), I was awake for 3 days, house was spotless though. But never again.

While they might not be able to prove you ordered it, I don't think the police system in thialand is worth testing. As for the gooey speed I have tasted but am too young to have seen it in it's prime, from what I have seen of "speed" here it could be cleaned and smoked in a glass pipe but the worlds "ice" or "meth" carry the stigma that goes against a party substance.

 

[kellya86]

Ok fair point @Tommy10. I live in uk. And am very familiar with what i can and cant get away with. I would not test the thia police. As much as I love this magical herb, I would never risk going to prison, and not seeing my kids, for it.

You are not missing anything with speed. It's gone out of fashion for good reason. There was a time and place for 90's drugs.

And that was in a field, next to a speaker, in the 90's.

I never understood why crack is socially unacceptable but coke isn't, when crack is the purer version of coke. You would think coke would be the scummy one. Maybe it's the act of smoking that puts it in that bracket, not it's purity.

 

[Roth]

A real address yes, not a real name. And even if you do use your real name, it has no link to you. Who's to say you ordered it? This is what has to be proved in court.
And it's too much hassle so they don't bother. I used to do it every week at one point. But haven't done it for a year now.

There can be people living in houses who are not the registered Tennant, like children. So I think it's unlikely that a different name on an address would cause any suspicions at all.

And Billie is what an old school cheesy quaver might call speed. I can still get the sticky, stinky, gooey, yellow crap. Last time I tried it again, (after 10 years abstinence), I was awake for 3 days, house was spotless though. But never again.

Keep in mind, we're talking about Thailand here. Do you really want to test the integrity of their legal system?

And yes, in the US at least, having a name on a package not associated with a specific address will raise suspicion. If only the first name is different with the same surname, that's no big deal since it's obviously a family member. But a completely strange name will absolutely increase scrutiny on the package.

 

[kellya86]

Yes In my previous post I did state that I am not brave or stupid enough to test the thia system.

So are you telling me that custom have access to the census info and have a system in place that checks names of packages an cross references them with the census info. That seems a stretch to me. People swap houses all the time. Lodgers move in and out. People die, people are born. People change names, get married, devorced. What about when i order things to someone elses address? Are you seriously telling me that customs keeps on top of all that to see if names don't match the address. I think this is not realistic. Would take too many resources for poor intelligence at the end.
I don't think you need to worry about your name not matching the address. Maybe a bit too much paranoia?

 

[Tommy10]

Worth noting that they do moniter packages from specific areas. For example packages coming into Australia from Columbia, or other drug hot spots may be targeted. Don't know if seeing a different name this early on in the process would raise suspicion but with the volume of packages I get to me with my name. A different name could raise suspicion at the local office or even with the postman and could be reported, they are encouraged to do so especially for over seas packages. You'd be surprised what people who believe in prohebition may consider morally correct.... Cold snitching ain't no thang! Also depends on where you're getting it from. I would think given legalisation and the awesome flood of products that has followed, and still being a viable cocaine route for those without connections in Mexico the USA would would be subject to specific monitoring by most national postal services.

 

[Roth]

Yes In my previous post I did state that I am not brave or stupid enough to test the thia system.

So are you telling me that custom have access to the census info and have a system in place that checks names of packages an cross references them with the census info. That seems a stretch to me. People swap houses all the time. Lodgers move in and out. People die, people are born. People change names, get married, devorced. What about when i order things to someone elses address? Are you seriously telling me that customs keeps on top of all that to see if names don't match the address. I think this is not realistic. Would take too many resources for poor intelligence at the end.
I don't think you need to worry about your name not matching the address. Maybe a bit too much paranoia?

Not at all what I'm saying. My example was specific to deliveries in the US once they're in the hands of the US Postal Service. Yes, the USPS does know what names are associated with what addresses. If you get something shipped to an address with a name that's not associated with it, more than likely, nothing is going to happen. But if there's any extra scrutiny, you can be sure those are the types of packages that are going to be looked at first.

I have no idea how the Thai postal service works, and wouldn't begin to guess.

But I can say that in general, you have a better chance of your package arriving if it's going to a real name/address.

 

[Tommy10]

Also only takes ones bureaucrat with a hard on for catching everyone to decide to have a little crack down. I'm sure most of the Thai war on drugs focuses on the import from Burma... One might decide one Tuesday afternoon that they will crack down on THC oil from America. Those sorts stomp around their offices hatching all sorts of wild schemes to bust people with tax payer dollars.
Someone from Thailand would know more about how these actual things work in Thailand vs what the law says (it's a developing nation after all) but sometimes word comes down from the top that someone has to go to gaol... And nice prisons is something Thailand is short on I'd think!

 

[1DMF]

And that was in a field, next to a speaker, in the 90's.

And that is exactly where you would find me in the 90's

I'm not sure the purity makes it crystal meth, I always preferred what I called 'Base', un-cut , pure, unadulterated, amphetamine sulphate - came in a solid lump (sometime wet), and was like a rock of coke, but pure speed - if you google, apparently there is a chemical difference between meth-amphet and amphet. http://amphetamines.com/amphetamines-vs-methamphetamines/

So perhaps this is why UK & USA differ in attitudes, we have amphet, they have methamphet?

I never understood why crack is socially unacceptable but coke isn't, when crack is the purer version of coke. You would think coke would be the scummy one. Maybe it's the act of smoking that puts it in that bracket, not it's purity.

That's not strictly true apparently, the washing up with bicarb changes it chemically into crack, it's not simply pure coke from the little I read about it.

@1DMF what's billy?

It;s taken from the comic book 'Beano' and the character 'Billy Whizz'.

If you know the character, their trait is they are really, really fast...speedy as it were.

So UK slang calls amphetamines 'Billy' or 'Whizz' - I think there is a possibility that amphetamines inspired the cartoon character, just like 'The Magic Round-a-bout'

>> back to topic...

Remember there has been a military coup in Thailand recently, and they have clamped down considerably on everything in Thailand. According to my dad, even electronic ecigs have been banned totally!

Also don't forget there is a famous location called 'The Golden Triangle', I believe it's where Burma, Thailand and Cambodia meet, and has been famous for drug trafficking for years, and has had a serious clamp down recently, so I'd say it's even more risky these days than it used to be under Thaksin.

 

[Tommy10]

Yes there is a difference between pure base anphetamines found in Europe and meth however here in Australia here which is known as speed whizz or goey is lower purity meth and yellow paste is hard to find.

 

[kellya86]

That's not strictly true apparently, the washing up with bicarb changes it chemically into crack, it's not simply pure coke from the little I read about it.

A chemical change does occur but the majority of impurities are drawn out, resulting in a much purer product. Leaving almost pure cocaine.

 

[1DMF]

A chemical change does occur but the majority of impurities are drawn out, resulting in a much purer product. Leaving almost pure cocaine.

Ahh so it's a combination of both, it extracts the impurities and changes it chemically into crazy shit!

Never understood smack or crack, and luckily PCP 'Angel Dust', never seemed to cross the pond.

If you wanna ride, don't ride the white horse.. if you wanna ride, ride the white pony

 

[kellya86]

Unfortunately I had a year when I was 18, when curiosity got the better of me and I ended up a full blown crack and smack scum bag. I was lucky enough to have people around who didn't give up on me and I pulled myself out of the gutter (literally), and rebuilt my life.

Fast forward 10 years, nice house, nice car, loving wife and family. Couldn't be happier. Lucky escape and I count my blessings every day, I know not everyone makes it out.

Curiosity killed the crack head.
But not me.

I'm 30 now and the herb is the only thing I will touch now. Not even alchohol.

Well off topic now sorry.

Would you really get in any trouble for 1 vile of oil in thialand, with no previous convictions.? Seems very harsh if so.

 

[Roth]

Unfortunately I had a year when I was 18, when curiosity got the better of me and I ended up a full blown crack and smack scum bag. I was lucky enough to have people around who didn't give up on me and I pulled myself out of the gutter (literally), and rebuilt my life.

Fast forward 10 years, nice house, nice car, loving wife and family. Couldn't be happier. Lucky escape and I count my blessings every day, I know not everyone makes it out.

Curiosity killed the crack head.
But not me.

I'm 30 now and the herb is the only thing I will touch now. Not even alchohol.

Well off topic now sorry.

Would you really get in any trouble for 1 vile of oil in thialand, with no previous convictions.? Seems very harsh if so.

Well, the death penalty is a possible sentence for drug trafficking in Thailand. You wouldn't be getting that with a vial of oil, but I think that shows you their attitude towards it.

Glad to hear you made it out of that hell hole!