Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

[Choughed]

That could be due to the cannabis you are using, I've been told by growers if it's not flushed properly it can give off a salty taste.

Ah, interesting, but it be home grown.. or.. actually, it probably was the last of the purchased stuff now that I think about it. Haven't had that experience with it and the Vapman though. The purchased herb isn't the greatest, and I don't know what it was subjected to in life.. may try again with the home grown and see what he says! Thanks @Smoke1ForMe.

@kimura that sounds good. My only glass is a 14mm j hook I got for using with Vapman, and although I thought I'd love it, I didn't. I'm not keen on getting more attachments, not a fan of glass after all.. the abrasive sound, the crunchy feeling, the breakability. Yar!

 

[Tommy10]

Damn you use a lot! In the video where Ryan showed everyone this he only used one drop! Huge clouds man. I have some vg but no dropper, maybe need to go get one today and try this.

Bought a dropper makes it easier.
Watering down the VG 50/50 makes it easier to apply and 1-2 drops works fine.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I got some custom Milaana stems from @Alan today I thought I'd share with you all!

From left to right:
wood stem, glass lined wood stem, cork slide-a-bowl stem, micro dose glass tube/stem, micro dose with extended silicone sleeve (works great with the Nibbler G water pill), and a 18mm male glass to 18mm cork WPA stem.



@Alan s work is absolutely amazing!

Amazing work as always @Alan!

So what's the verdict Doc? These all use the slide a bowl screen or does an RBT stem fit in the wooden shorty too? And the inner glass stems work well in the Mi bowl?

I haven't been able to test at all really lately, including my earlier cork Mi stem prototype, I think you had one of those or more from when you HI's arrived too correct? So I'd presume these latest would be refined with your expert feedback, which makes me extremely interested (especially since I haven't been able to give much more myself yet).

So come on give us the run down my friend! and how about a little update on how your using or modding your (how many now?) Milaanas

@Choughed and also tell husband like I said, best way to control harsh heat is let off trigger sooner (can also pull fresh air into your mouth to mix with vapor... then there's also using hemp fiber as a filter, which can help a lot)

 

[killick]

Picture, of you will, a box. A box filled with infinite possibilities. Finite possibilities, really, seeing as our came from RBTHQ... I'm not ashamed to say I wet myself a little. I didn't, bit I wouldn't be ashamed to, either.

So driving into the next biggest city for appts and tell buddy. He decides to drive down from bigger city, meet somewhere special, and check out Milaana. So there is Millie, a and b.

We sat in the parking lot of Value Village, with our dogs, passing 3 Milaana around playing 'name that strain'. And now I can't figure out if I'm stoned, really stoned, or really really stoned. Been off everything for the past week, enforced T and water break, so there has been that. Today's strains were Kosher Kush, OG Shark, and OG Purp.

What a great time to be alive!

 

[AJS]

Hey crew!
Unfortunately this is the longest I've been away from my Milaana. I'll be in Oregon on vacation for the next week with no vape, and as I'm here, I see all the awesome spots I could've been using her. Don't take your Milaanas for granted! It's sad when you don't have one

 

[murf2010]

Hey crew!
Unfortunately this is the longest I've been away from my Milaana. I'll be in Oregon on vacation for the next week with no vape, and as I'm here, I see all the awesome spots I could've been using her. Don't take your Milaanas for granted! It's sad when you don't have one

Go ducks.

How much do you guys fill the chamber? I'm clueless how much material is best?? Over fill it and I combust every time! My Mi runs HOT! Which is fine it's just very touchy like a lambo

 

[Bravesst]

Okay, devil's advocate time

We all know the pros, I wanna know how you all handle the cons

CON ONE: Potentially too hot or harsh or dry with short stem, but long stem harder to control. How can I keep vapor smooth and not bite my throat a bit?

CON TWO: Takes full focus and concentration, hard to use with a group in heavy conversation. Feel a little like I'm pulling from a pipe. Want to be able to stay engaged in what i'm doing and vape. Not stealth in close quarters.

CON THREE: teaching to others, can be tough for some ppl, just might not be the right vape for this unless newbie into it

CON FOUR: keeping track of battery... I don't, it gets cool, I swap. IF, IF, IF I remember, always after 4, sometimes 3.

 

[TheDudeNextDoor]

Okay, devil's advocate time

We all know the pros, I wanna know how you all handle the cons

CON ONE: Potentially too hot or harsh or dry with short stem, but long stem harder to control. How can I keep vapor smooth and not bite my throat a bit?

CON TWO: Takes full focus and concentration, hard to use with a group in heavy conversation. Feel a little like I'm pulling from a pipe. Want to be able to stay engaged in what i'm doing and vape. Not stealth in close quarters.

CON THREE: teaching to others, can be tough for some ppl, just might not be the right vape for this unless newbie into it

CON FOUR: keeping track of battery... I don't, it gets cool, I swap. IF, IF, IF I remember, always after 4, sometimes 3.

CON ONE: I only have this problem with the short stem if I neglect Con 2. If you're getting harsh hits or throat bites, try backing off the button a bit and/or feathering.

CON TWO: Mi is definitely not, IMO, the best vape for crowd use. Best for individual and works well with two people IF that second person knows what he or she is doing. Three+ needs more of a session vape like the Solo or Mighty, IMO.

CON THREE: This will be an issue with any on-demand vape. I experienced very little learning curve with the Mi, largely because of my previous experience with the Firefly. It took me a little while to get comfortable with the Fly, and I think that experience made the Mi almost a natural transition. Noobs would be better to get experience with a regulated vape first or, at the very least, will require some help from an experienced user to get it right. Even then, they might think the thing "just doesn't work for them" for awhile. They need to first accept that some vapes are not noob proof like most regulated vapes.

CON FOUR: I've not found this to be a problem except in a few situations that are totally my fault. If I am using the Mi at optimum performance, which is almost entirely user-determined, I can tell when my batt drops to 3.7. It's a vapor signal I have come to recognize. With that said, I have a few times become convinced that my battery is low and then find it's still at 4.0 volts when I pop it into the charger. On reflection, what I have noticed is that this happens when I'm not really paying close attention to technique (see CON TWO).

BOTTOM LINE: I'm not sure these are true cons as much as they are personality traits of the Mi. It's definitely a vape more suited to experienced users or those willing to go through the trial-and-error required to get peak performance from an on-demand vape.

 

[murf2010]

Okay, devil's advocate time

We all know the pros, I wanna know how you all handle the cons

CON ONE: Potentially too hot or harsh or dry with short stem, but long stem harder to control. How can I keep vapor smooth and not bite my throat a bit?

CON TWO: Takes full focus and concentration, hard to use with a group in heavy conversation. Feel a little like I'm pulling from a pipe. Want to be able to stay engaged in what i'm doing and vape. Not stealth in close quarters.

CON THREE: teaching to others, can be tough for some ppl, just might not be the right vape for this unless newbie into it

CON FOUR: keeping track of battery... I don't, it gets cool, I swap. IF, IF, IF I remember, always after 4, sometimes 3.

My problem
Is short stem
Not long stem! Can't not combust with the shorter one

 

[vapen00b]

Nice to have differences, very interested in Milaana porn, my first was a bit chunkier as well.
@vapen00b

FLTR:

First Batch Mi, ------------------- June 13 Mi, ---------------------- June 27

Mi2, Mi3 - recessed styles

About the short stem sizes - it's metric btw.


left one from OG Mi, right one from later batch
(long stems are the same)

EDIT: Another difference is the dent/pin on the copper plate. First version was punched in a bit more making it deeper/taller and a slightly better contact to the batt. But not a problem at all for the newer ones. Just use your thumb and press the copper gently against the inserted batt (ideally -side up) first to make contact, then tighten the screw with the other hand while still holding the copper in place. It should automatically adjust level making good contact.



Well, we had some discussions about potential glue down there and differently tuned heaters (countdown to glow) and I'd like to share some valuable info I got from Ryan on this:

• You should not heat it up dry and empty for more than 5 - 10 seconds (please refer to manual). If you do, it will burn the wood around the outside of the joint. Potential smell should dissipate over time under normal use.

• There is nothing in the heater chamber other than mica, stainless steel and glass. There's no reason it should smell other than burnt wood.

• The earlier heaters where not tuned differently but the early heaters were made by hand and have more variation in resistance and therefore a bigger spread from hot to cold. So a few units were cooler but still produce great vapor you just need to draw more slowly.

• The green batt that comes with the Mi is a Samsung 25R but the HE4 is going to be standardized in the Milaana kit, as Ryan found out he liked it better than the Samsungs.

And now back to the studio


Peace everyone

 

[AJS]

I'm not sure these are true cons as much as they are personality traits of the Mi. It's definitely a vape more suited to experienced users or those willing to go through the trial-and-error required to get peak performance from an on-demand vape.

Very well said, you always come through with a nice summary.

Okay, devil's advocate time

We all know the pros, I wanna know how you all handle the cons

CON ONE: Potentially too hot or harsh or dry with short stem, but long stem harder to control. How can I keep vapor smooth and not bite my throat a bit?

CON TWO: Takes full focus and concentration, hard to use with a group in heavy conversation. Feel a little like I'm pulling from a pipe. Want to be able to stay engaged in what i'm doing and vape. Not stealth in close quarters.

CON THREE: teaching to others, can be tough for some ppl, just might not be the right vape for this unless newbie into it

CON FOUR: keeping track of battery... I don't, it gets cool, I swap. IF, IF, IF I remember, always after 4, sometimes 3.

CON ONE: I had the same problem. My last day before vacation I focused on smoothness. I'm one who does pretty long draws for the most part with a lot of feathering, but that constant heat to my throat would cause dryness during the long hits and was really harsh. What I did to make it better was hit the throttle until it was pretty damn hot then let go and just ride the residual heat. I normally don't do this because I sometimes like huge hits, but it was extremely enjoyable. Reminds me more of the Air instead of the LSV. First hit is light vapor because you aren't cooking it all in that first hit, but the subsequent ones will hold the residual heat longer and your load will already be hot. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND this method when you just want a nice enjoyable smooth session. When I'm out and about, I highly doubt I'll use this because I really like to just nuke a big hit so it's faster and effective. But really, try it...Hold button til the heat gets to a suitable temperature, then release and ride the heat til you feel the vapor cool down. It's extremely enjoyable, very smooth, way tastier, loads last forever, and you never feel too hot on the throat. Clouds and effects obviously still very effective. Also I didn't need to stir at all using this process as long as that initial heatup doesn't rise too hot, not difficult to avoid at all though.

CON TWO: I rarely need to focus on it much unless I'm going through water, and even then, I can hit through water watching tv for the most part without an issue...but watching the vapor build and paying attention will make for a more pristine vape session. Maybe that's just me, but I think everyone will get used to it to where they never need to focus on it.

CON THREE: Teaching super noobs is the only issue for me, but I haven't come across that yet. My uncle barely smokes, never vapes, and I told him to hold the trigger and inhale slow until the temperature got hot then release the button and throttle if necessary. Yeah, they won't get the most perfect browning or the fattest clouds, but the majority of the time they don't know the difference and get ridiculously stoned anyway, so it's never been a problem for me.

CON FOUR: You vape WAY more than me (lucky, haha jk), so I think this may be a stronger issue for you (and others) than me. But since I got my new unit and the samsung battery, I've only been using one battery a day for the most part. I have 5 batteries and I'm planning on running two or three down to 3.8 and storing them because they're probably losing capacity because they're never used and are fully charged. I like having multiple batteries charged because if you go to a friend's house for the night you don't need a charger, but I think it's probably best if I just store a few for the Zion when it arrives, five is a lot when you only need one...I think I posted that one battery lasted me 8 bowls.

Overall, very good list of cons, and my response isn't trying to take away from the importance of these cons because they definitely are things that need to be addressed when using this vape. I appreciate you taking the time to mention what you don't like about this vape, and I think this page would be a good place marker for people getting their Milaanas. A list of issues that WILL most likely arise, and a list of options to address the issues listed. Great job man.

 

[Bravesst]

CON ONE: I only have this problem with the short stem if I neglect Con 2. If you're getting harsh hits or throat bites, try backing off the button a bit and/or feathering.

CON TWO: Mi is definitely not, IMO, the best vape for crowd use. Best for individual and works well with two people IF that second person knows what he or she is doing. Three+ needs more of a session vape like the Solo or Mighty, IMO.

CON THREE: This will be an issue with any on-demand vape. I experienced very little learning curve with the Mi, largely because of my previous experience with the Firefly. It took me a little while to get comfortable with the Fly, and I think that experience made the Mi almost a natural transition. Noobs would be better to get experience with a regulated vape first or, at the very least, will require some help from an experienced user to get it right. Even then, they might think the thing "just doesn't work for them" for awhile. They need to first accept that some vapes are not noob proof like most regulated vapes.

CON FOUR: I've not found this to be a problem except in a few situations that are totally my fault. If I am using the Mi at optimum performance, which is almost entirely user-determined, I can tell when my batt drops to 3.7. It's a vapor signal I have come to recognize. With that said, I have a few times become convinced that my battery is low and then find it's still at 4.0 volts when I pop it into the charger. On reflection, what I have noticed is that this happens when I'm not really paying close attention to technique (see CON TWO).

BOTTOM LINE: I'm not sure these are true cons as much as they are personality traits of the Mi. It's definitely a vape more suited to experienced users or those willing to go through the trial-and-error required to get peak performance from an on-demand vape.

Con was a harsh word... I take it back.

But I have been working on smoothing things out, feathering helps lots

 

[ZC]

I think most of these "cons" just speak to what the device is and who's it for. Definitely with The Dude in calling them more like Personality Traits.

My first vape was the vaporgenie, which is easily the most difficult vape I've ever had to use, but it taught me a lot on how much nuance you can have in your vaping experience. It taught me to value technique and ritual and very fine user adjustment.

Which is part of why I like the Mi so much. It gives me easy, instant clouds but also demands something of me. It requires finesse for the best results, and I love it for that.

On the other hand, I find very little pleasure in using the more appliance type session vapes like the Solo, Volcano, or other popular choices. Of course they work and work well, but they definitely are not the type of experience I'm looking for.

 

[Bravesst]

I so agree, guess I'm trying to improve, always. Thanks for your awesome responses.
About focus: driving, watching TV, doesn't need my face and mouth like socializing with a group who don't vape. Taking a long hit and feathering is so obvious. I may whip out my Solo next visit. Air wasn't hitting hard enough, and Pax 2 arrived today.

Home alone. Back on Mi tonight.

 

[TheDudeNextDoor]

Con was a harsh word... I take it back.

But I have been working on smoothing things out, feathering helps lots

I don't know that it's too harsh a word, really, as much as it is too specific a word. One person's con is another's pro in many cases. For example, I've seen several people label the Mi's ability to combust as a "con" while others regard it as a "pro." Those who call it a con typically don't like that it can happen if they're not paying attention to time/draw speed and power/etc. while those call it a pro typically like that it has the power to go as far as they can take it.

Personality traits does seem better since any given trait can be a pro or con entirely depending on the user's preferences.

 

[Choughed]

Hold button til the heat gets to a suitable temperature, then release and ride the heat til you feel the vapor cool down.

That's exactly what we do with the long stem, drawing until the heat hits the tongue, then let go and draw it all through. That's a lot of breath, where we could draw for 20 seconds with VM, with Mi, I can get 6 seconds. So much more airflow! Makes me feel like my lungs are lacking! Poor husband has asthma, so I understand his issue, but I'm obviously just not doing it right.

Using Mi alone, I can watch TV easier than I can with VM, but DH pauses it for Mi (doesn't have to with VM cos I torch it for him, all he has to do is draw!)

Only person I teach is husband, and I'm not a great teacher. lol

Battery stuff is a minor pain. I've been swapping the battery out at 3.6ish volts by chance only, so it feels so far.

Some issues are cons for us, but Mi has a lot of pros too, worth keeping up the practice. Been a bit slack the last two days, slid back into comfortable Vapman use again, like a great pair of moccasins in winter.

 

[GTAVaper]

The Milaana is still best through water for me.....although I do enjoy sipping on it as well. But I find that there is a point of diminishing returns for me to get a full extraction without holding down the buttom for too long and risking combustion.

So I basically vape until I am where I am comfortable with the output vs the amount of time on the button and then save the ABV for my true power house vape....the Supreme V3.

I throw in ABV from the Milaana and heat to where it stabilizes around 210 C and still get major cloud production from the ABV.....but only at the high end of the temp range as the Milaana does a great job of extracting the lower temp vapour fractions (say maybe under 185C?)

Even with my Underdog I can run the ABV from the glass gong's, and to a lesser extent the SS tipped NonG's, (NonG's at over 13V and packed loosely almost extracts as well as the Supreme - usually not worth running the ABV) through the Supreme and get some nice high temperature cloudage that isn't too roasted tasting.

The closest with respect to the Supreme in getting complete extraction would be the Apollo - where you don't combust .....but there is almost a faint, but non-offensive, smoky overtone to the vapour if you drive it too far.

The Milaana CAN milk a large glass bong but some care is required and it does this best within the first 1/3 to 2/3 of the extraction process with the lighter tastier clouds coming off in the first third of the extraction.

I really do enjoy my Milaana, but only for solo use - just because it is so quick to get vapour from a cold start. But it still can't keep up with the Apollo (the way I have mine modded) for production of steady effortless whitewall vapour that can supply 2 or 3 people at a time in a constant rotation of the bubbler.

As I said before, the Milaana has its niche, but it can't come near to the smoothness and vapour quality of the Supreme (or even the Apollo in a consistent manner) because there are too many variables that are changing throughout its usage (battery power, draw speed, time on button, etc) that are eliminated with both the Supreme and Apollo.

BUT......it sure is nice and convenient when the Underdog isn't turned on and you want to get lifted quickly.

I don't regret my purchase at all and really enjoy using the Milaana but I would have to put it at a three way tie with my Underdog and Mighty......all great vapes that work well for different situations.

But I think that I would have to also give the edge to the Supreme over the Apollo after using both for a while now.

If you don't mind using a torch, then I don't think that you will ever find a smoother, harder hitting, fully extracting vaporizer than the Supreme V3. Every time I look at it I think to myself that this thing really doesn't look that impressive......but holy crap - the performance is in a league of its own.

The Supreme is a "sleeper vape" in that people who have one know what it is all about and what it is capable of .....whereas people that don't have one often seem reluctant to spend that much on a vape that looks so primitive and which also requires a torch.....which is a real shame.

But also one that Milaana lovers can identify with when those who don't have one look at it and think "block of wood with hairdryer tech....meh - not for me" and never ever get to enjoy the quick convenience of the Milaana that performs very well once you have learned how to use it ......just because they never tried one and have never given it a chance.

 

[Shit Snacks]

Okay, devil's advocate time

We all know the pros, I wanna know how you all handle the cons

CON ONE: Potentially too hot or harsh or dry with short stem, but long stem harder to control. How can I keep vapor smooth and not bite my throat a bit?

CON TWO: Takes full focus and concentration, hard to use with a group in heavy conversation. Feel a little like I'm pulling from a pipe. Want to be able to stay engaged in what i'm doing and vape. Not stealth in close quarters.

CON THREE: teaching to others, can be tough for some ppl, just might not be the right vape for this unless newbie into it

CON FOUR: keeping track of battery... I don't, it gets cool, I swap. IF, IF, IF I remember, always after 4, sometimes 3.

Yeah personal cons as discussed, 1 is really hit size I guess I an take smaller puffs and control it for what I want temp wise with my draw and trigger useage, ofcourse herbs and pack... its a really subjective one, have you tried hemp fiber?

2 it comes with time I don't know, I don't need to focus too much bc it is now such second nature to me. Hard to and give nonvapers full attention in any case really, so I appreciate the several sporadic hits off Milaana as opposed to a more mindless yet much longer sipping air session with waste if you're talking.

Stealth in close quarters, literally zero issue using this in a fairly crowded library (again controlled draw and trigger, proper ghosting like a low temp GH even, which I did there last time but the clicking and loud fast draw felt less stealth though it obv looked like a pen sitting there. Milaana gotta be under a book, between legs, in pocket) or out and about, around people at parties in/outdoors, even in a movie theater... personally I'm just getting like maximum super stealth here, like a best of all worlds based on most of the vapes I've owned...

3 is the tricky one, it really depends on the person's patience of they intended listen or get it right away honestly. Here in a new place with totally new people I am getting hit and miss for sure. It also depends on my instruction at the time, stae of the bowl and even battery too perhaps... why it really is more of a personal device or with 1-4 people maybe with patience but it could be 1 in 4 just don't take to it lol

4 yeah battery to it being a personal thing, I can remember reasonably to track one battery depending in my useage but with multiple in rotation that's where the D2 tracks them for me like before heading out, then I definitely know their levels and can track them based on that excursions useage pretty easily (memory different for everyone ofcourse)

I think most of these "cons" just speak to what the device is and who's it for. Definitely with The Dude in calling them more like Personality Traits.

My first vape was the vaporgenie, which is easily the most difficult vape I've ever had to use, but it taught me a lot on how much nuance you can have in your vaping experience. It taught me to value technique and ritual and very fine user adjustment.

Which is part of why I like the Mi so much. It gives me easy, instant clouds but also demands something of me. It requires finesse for the best results, and I love it for that.

On the other hand, I find very little pleasure in using the more appliance type session vapes like the Solo, Volcano, or other popular choices. Of course they work and work well, but they definitely are not the type of experience I'm looking for.

If it's all you use you really can figure it out with patience, manual vapes really have that added hurdle with the technique thing, but you spend enough time with it you can see how the effects are often on another level when you really know the ins and outs to get the most out of it.

@GTAVaper I think that's why you got so much out of Apollo since you turned it into a manual more than an automatic it sounds like, while the Supreme seems like a more automatic analog style standardized manual... Zion with the regulation may be better for you in the end actually whenever they are available... but have you ever tried a Daisy/StickyBrick? It's also just unreal convection hitting power, even fully manual analog, and highly recommended vapor tech to try if you havent (some day I hope to be able to try Venus/Supreme tech myself too!)

 

[Bravesst]

I usually vape alone, not in conversation, except with my wife. What started this "con" thing is two fold...
1. been having a dry throat lately, having to clear my throat, but I need to lecture at work to large groups of people every day, so my voice get used a lot as well. I feel a certain "bite" but not even sure if it's heat. First hit is some potent with a "raw" vapor taste, kinda musky, as if the easy to vaporize gasses are super released on the first hit. Not sure if it's the vape volume, heat, dryness, or make up.
2. Friends over. Smokers. I wound up rolling for them while I sipped Mila, but couldn't get a good hit all night. I could not take my attention away from the table long enough to focus on the perfect hit (which I realize is what I do all the time). I can do this reading, on computer, driving, watching TV, and any other solitary event, but not when I need to be attentive and conversational. Hence I grabbed a Pax 2, but will have to try Solo (Air seems to weak for smokers, as it's got some draw resistance and can run out of heat if not hit right).
3. I could see it stealthy as hell in the movies, concert, in any crowded, but dark place. I walk the streets of Manhattan regularly, from Penn Station to Rockefeller Center (34 street to 51 street), and have Mila loaded and ready to go, no possible to hit it walking on a crowded NYC street. I've done it with Air, with some success, but Air hits weak outdoors. If I sat at a table on 42 street (Bryant Park) I could probably slip in a hit or two.

These are not really cons or complaints, just ways to figure out even better usage. I think the right stem might help a lot with coolness factor.

I have another question for you all...
Your best stem and/or set up for Mi?

 

[WakeAndVape]

Major concern I have for milaana is car use.

It's not a driver friendly vape...expelling of avb has left the carpet on the sides of my doors riddles with chunks

Its also a little more difficult to load on the go unless you have something to snuff preground material from.

Also the technique required does require some attention to work

RBT: FIX IT!!!

still haven't sent loose lipped millana back home...guess I should soon. I just have too much fun using it.

It would actually be better suited for travel, because of the faster heat up

 

[TeeJay1952]

Dosing capsule variant?

 

[hweezi]

... Don't vape while you're driving man, I share the road with you, wherever you are.

I understand driving high isn't the same as driving drunk, but getting high while driving is a fuckin' careless distraction.

In other words, I gave the fuck up on the Zion and I'm gonna wait for the Mi now.

woooo, colour me excited....

/s for those who don't get it.

I hope this thing surprises me, really do.

 

[WakeAndVape]

Dosing capsule variant?

I was just thinking it would be dope if the mighty dosing capsules could fit into the stem...too bad I'm not more technical/mechanically inclined!

@cwheezy I know...the vaping whilst driving thread has seen its share.

I don't mind vaping while I drive, because I only use damniana and lavender...Maybe even some chamomile.

 

[nondarb]

but the early heaters were made by hand and have more variation in resistance and therefore a bigger spread from hot to cold

Where was it claimed they are now NOT hand made? That would be a very expensive and massive jump...

I have direct contact from Ryan saying the newer heaters ARE indeed tuned hotter... This is probably due to a couple of us early adopters ending up with overly cool units (or my soft sort). He has also given multiple answers concerning what glue he is using and patents ect ect...

HE4 is going to be standardized in the Milaana kit

Funny he told me the same thing about the HG2's ( a far superior battery to the he4 in my experience ) which im all for. My original HE4's are used as training wheels for noobs..

• There is nothing in the heater chamber other than mica, stainless steel and glass. There's no reason it should smell other than burnt wood.

Factually incorrect....

The Milaana is still best through water for me.....although I do enjoy sipping on it as well. But I find that there is a point of diminishing returns for me to get a full extraction without holding down the buttom for too long and risking combustion.

I know what you mean, the point of no return for me is pretty much as soon as things start whitewalling.. things go white I back off, give it a few pulses and ride the inertia for a second. I usually lift and rotate stem mid hit to avoid scorching, the slight break in inhalation helps mi's heater recover. Ive been meaning to make a video at some point....

 

[Vapenvy]

I find it funny you say this, as a huge appeal to this device for me is that there is no electronic circuits etc to worry about getting bounced violently. I've yet to have a glass item break on me while snowboarding. What would be your ideal skiing vape?

Sorry for the delayed reply. Funnily enough, it's because I was skiing so have been out of mobile range for the last few days.

I don't think a big stack would break the milaana, or probably even the short stem if it isn't mounted, however, i think it being fairly chunky in the pocket and needing to be 'assembled ' to use means it is not ideal for on snow. Better for the lodge...

My go to for the snow is 'the Summit ' by vapium. Sounds silly, really, but i guess that means they kind of nailed it for its intended use/market. It's easy to use, all self contained, small and tough (so far).