Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

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Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yea figured I have had a cold unit from the start. Had more frustration than anything good feelings with it but I can see the potential.
Battery's be lucky to finished a 3rd small bowl with the heat up times and no matter how far I put the screen back black spots.
Does the turbo vic suffer these same battery and black spot issues?
VC in my mind is zero technique, but interesting you can pull bigger clouds of of your Mi.
Mine must be cold. I was gonna try a 14mm basket set up, but I think with the shit bong performance and 3 loads max a battery.... With only a double battery charger it becomes a hell of a process.
4 battery charger and a zoin would be closer to my needs I think. Or maybe butane is for me, had more luck with bigger clouds on the VC vaporgenies lotus and hammer.
Battery might just not be my thing but I do like the sexy wood work in some of the new ones :(

I mean it sounds like you could just try a newer Milaana man, Tubo has the regulation and temp control so very different and better to discuss there (it's battery was eh before but improved with latest update). Many avoid blackspots in Milaana easily, it's interesting bc I don't find Milaana to be much technique for me but I grew with it, all torch vapes require more technique for me personally, and vapcap in particular has been quite inconsistent in my experience... So again may just not be for you, different strokes etc, but I'd look into getting a newer unit (14mm would certainly enhance battery life, as would a hotter/faster heater like new ones) and maybe some of the others available now like MistVape Touch that is already 14mm. I'm sure you could find a buyer for your old Mi if you wanted to upgrade, hope it all works out for you bud
 

TheRobbo

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so is the mi not a cloud machine... I ordered one last week and I am so to say the visual guy I need big vapor clouds for my vape satisfaction... hope my mi will give me big clouds easy... hoped it would be a more stealth battery powered stickybricks maxx... hm I can notmwait to receive my milaana but if it is not a cloud machine then I would be dissapointed...

how are the clouds you can achieve dry with the mi... (which vape is compareable in cloud production mighty,crafty, esv, gh, sticky bricks maxx....?)

Meant to upload this the other day should alleviate yoyr concern. Admittedly this is using ddave 14mm kit which I find I prefer as 18mm just hits me too hard and if you go to hard and char the load it is only like 5 grains of bud so who cares just reload.
Here is a pic of how little can be loaded and a vid of the same tiny load producing a descent cloud
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Listen closely can you hear the turbo whistle?
 

turk

turk
...this mimics my experience ...ddave's vapor cooler stem is fucking great on the milaana...and very efficient...he also make a micro dosing stem...however, although it performs outstandingly..I prefer the cooler....(ddave knows what he's doing).
 
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Tommy10

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Interesting can you send in older units for a face lift? Wouldn't wanna sell on this cold ass unit Even for the price of them when back in stock if so much has changed since I've been around these parts maybe a new model would tickle me. Although maybe a vic with regulation. I do know I'll try the 14mm Mi set up before jumping into any new units of any make or model. Was ready to pull the trigger when they were back in stock but second hand supreme jumped up and put the toys find in the negative!
 
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WakeAndVape

VapeLife X
low on cash lately and haven't had the chance to send my milaana off for repairs yet.
(broken female joint)

I have had some other vapes to keep me occupied, so I have been a little distracted...

but anyway, i went to my visit my old milaana at a friend's house and HOLY SHIT I was taken BACK!!!

@RastaBuddhaTao expect it soon, I need my copper lidded :)
steam punk :D
cloud pumper :brow:
back in my life :love:

hopefully I can join the discussion meaningfully again soon! :rockon:
Interesting can you send in older units for a face lift? Wouldn't wanna sell on this cold ass unit Even for the price of them when back in stock if so much has changed since I've been around these parts maybe a new model would tickle me. Although maybe a vic with regulation. I do know I'll try the 14mm Mi set up before jumping into any new units of any make or model. Was ready to pull the trigger when they were back in stock but second hand supreme jumped up and put the toys find in the negative!

have you tried cleaning your threads and cap and checking the spring under your battery recently?

New units will have improvements, but the tech didn't degrade over time...contacts get gunked, batteries get weak and springs loose contact.

And I always remember avoiding black spots by riding the heat wave and keeping the herb a centimeter or two from the tip of the glass, it doesn't like a tight pack either.

if you've 'had issues...you can always send it back and make sure your heater is in spec?

sorry...edibles...way too spacy...way too late.
 
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Tommy10

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@WakeAndVape
Hello hello we must be up different dailys havnt seen you of late. Yea tried all the connections like a crack head fixing a toaster. It defiantly "works" just 8 seconds is nothing of a warm up from a fresh battery, and 3rd bowl battery won't last. Yea moved it back does help for black spots and always light pack. I think the 14mm in my head focuses that same head up time in a smaller spot and I'll pack less herb. Should negate a bit of this, and if I ever buy a new one or send this in I'll want 14mm anyways. Pre ordered when it was 14mm in fact.
 

WakeAndVape

VapeLife X
@WakeAndVape
Hello hello we must be up different dailys havnt seen you of late. Yea tried all the connections like a crack head fixing a toaster. It defiantly "works" just 8 seconds is nothing of a warm up from a fresh battery, and 3rd bowl battery won't last. Yea moved it back does help for black spots and always light pack. I think the 14mm in my head focuses that same head up time in a smaller spot and I'll pack less herb. Should negate a bit of this, and if I ever buy a new one or send this in I'll want 14mm anyways. Pre ordered when it was 14mm in fact.
yea, I've been pretty all over with my sh*t lately...

when is the last time you switched out batteries...as in brand new batteries?

if your batteries are low and it's taking longer to heat your coil, it will cause that resulting hit to get too hot, too fast...when your already drawing slow trying to get a cloud?

saggy batteries can still charge to 'full' but their drop is accelerated...i have tried and liked the MXJO 35A, they have brought a milaana back from the dead before.
 

Tommy10

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Got a new Samsung battery to test couple months back, same result. Others are 2 samsungs two panasonics easily under 25 bowls each.... Age I guess around when the first pre orders went out. May try a MXJO 35A
 

WakeAndVape

VapeLife X
Got a new Samsung battery to test couple months back, same result. Others are 2 samsungs two panasonics easily under 25 bowls each.... Age I guess around when the first pre orders went out. May try a MXJO 35A
I would try a couple new batteries for sure, but get them from different guaranteed legitimate vendors (one here,one there) to limit bad batches..ect.

make sure the nipple on the copper door that touches the battery isn't badly scratched.

outside of that I would ask @KeroZen
 

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
Others are 2 samsungs two panasonics easily under 25 bowls each.... Age I guess around when the first pre orders went out. May try a MXJO 35A

There is no Panasonic cell on the market suitable for the Milaana.

There is no 35A cell on the market, it doesn't exist. The best is 30A and they are only 1500mAh. I tested one in the Milaana and I got 1.5 bowls only.

The MXJO 35A is a rewrapped 20A cell, possibly B grade. Sorry, no free lunch!
 

cannabis.pro

aka 420EDC
Accessory Maker
make sure the nipple on the copper door that touches the battery isn't badly scratched.
Scratches on the nipple is fairly common post indent from above via hammer or whatever tool RBT uses to stamp the triangle. The issue is this contact area needs to be clean from any corrosion or patina. I hit it with a polishing wheel with a Dremel, but a plain old polishing cloth or eraser from a pencil should do the trick too.

New batteries to proper spec is always a good thing too. Year old batteries are old.
 

AJS

Calm Consistency
Hey everyone! We've had quite a few new purchases it seems recently with some new friendly faces so figure I'd throw together a little something something to help people get started ... because this thread has gotten quite long with a lot of missed information scattered throughout. I'll highlight a few different sections and try to make it simple. Anyways, here we go!

Batteries:
Lot's of battery info (and chargers) with price comparisons on Page 50, that is a good starting point. Batteries definitely make a difference when it comes to strength and duration. I've tried:
  • Yellow LG HE4s. These are consistent but aren't the most powerful. Hold an average charge.
  • Green Samsung 25R. These are probably my least favorite, not a ton of power, average charge.
  • Green Sony VTC5. My all time favorite for power rips. Still good battery life, but the power spikes can be intense!
  • Brown LG HG2. All around best batty to balance consistency, power, and battery life. Can't go wrong with these at all.

In the end, I will always choose the HG2 or the VTC5, both just amazing batteries.

Past Generations of Milaanas:
This can confuse some people so I'll clear it up.

The first batch of Milaanas, known as "OG Milaanas" were basically a rough draft of what we have today. Back then they look amazing, but are now a bit outdated looking compared to the new units. Glass was not recessed very far (or at all), the intake screen was just a pile of mesh, the wood was pale and lacked vitality, and the units functioned slightly cooler. Sometimes pieces would come apart because he hadn't nailed the glue perfectly yet.

The V1 came out next. This had a little better fit and finish, suffered less glue issues, had nearly fully recessed glass, and hit like a truck. Some of these units were pretty damn hot (which many liked), but it made him re-evaluate his QC when it comes to heater consistency. The mesh for the intake was replaced with a sexy screen (huge deal back in the day).

The V2 was next in line. Amazing quality, perfect fit and finish, super smooth with glowing wood, and very consistent heaters. This batch came with Spalted, Cherry, Walnut, and Maple, but the maple looked much better than the previous units. Don't think any of these had glue issues at all and more measures were in place to create a better all around unit. These units were also made a little bit large in order to compensate for the added QC and have all around more consistent units. These unit also came with choice of glass, Emerald, Cobalt, Amber. These units run a bit cooler than the V1s but nowhere near as cool as OGs.

The V3 is the final version. Not a ton of people have these unless you picked up a new batch. Seems overall best fit and finish, more glass options, cooler woods, and a built in turbulator to help even the load when vaped. These seem to run a tad hotter than the V2, which was tuned down a bit after those super hot V1s.

Techniques:
First off, I'm linking a post which holds a few different techniques given to me by some great members here in the Milaana thread. Reading these over will give you an idea of the versatility when it comes to Milaana's use.
The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

My little quick start guide when it comes to first getting your Milaana and a few things to know:
  • The heater retains heat well. When you let off the trigger, you will still be getting heat for up to 5-10 seconds, it can produce vapor for quite a while without being on the trigger.
  • The first hit will be weaker. It's the nature of convection. Use this hit to taste your herb, heat up your unit, and dry out your herb to prep for your next hit.
  • You can hold the trigger down and blow in the intake gently to feel the heat rise out the female end against your face. Gives you an idea of the battery life and how hot your unit is running.
  • The heater doesn't rise at a perfectly consistent rate. When you first press the trigger, the heater will start off strong and slowly slow down the climb until it hits its tuned temperature, then slowly climb past that. It's not a constant uphill. I see it as a heavy curve to a point, then a small gradual uphill. Units vary. My V1 would feel like it's constantly going up, but my OG and V2 I can feel the peak.
  • You don't need to feel a ton of heat to be getting vapor.
  • Using unit as a session will require less time on the throttle, enhancing battery life and consistency.
  • Slow, consistent draws will reduce hotspotting and provide a smoother, consistent user experience imo.
Okay, enough with the little tips, here's how I go about explaining to friends the best way to learn the Milaana.
  • Start off with a fresh battery and a three second preheat. Slowly inhale until you feel the heat rising. Pay attention to how quickly it rises and where it feels like it peaks. When the heat hits a temperature you enjoy, let off the trigger and continue inhaling slowly for 5 seconds or so. Exhale.
  • You'll notice even though you didn't go on the trigger very long, you used the residual heat to get most of your vapor.
  • Continue this for three hits or so WITHOUT adjusting technique. You'll notice your hit gets bigger after the first hit because everything is warm. You may also notice the temperature climbs a little faster on your second and third hit. Adjust accordingly if necessary to avoid combustion and retain flavor.
  • Continue this to finish your bowl. This will allow you to use a few constants to understand your unit - same preheat, same time on trigger, using heat feedback to let off the trigger, same inhalation rate, etc. Try to keep these consistent when first using your Milaana to get a feel of how the Milaana changes throughout a session and when to let off the trigger to keep flavor.
Alright, now that you've done a few seshes using the simplest of techniques, you can add a few more variables
  • You can adjust your draw speed halfway through a hit as the heater rises in order to get vapor faster and prevent the heater from getting too hot. This will, as you will probably find out, add a bit more harshness as you are getting more hot air, faster.
  • Instead of letting off the trigger and riding the residual heat, you can let off then start to pulse the trigger in order to continue your temperature. There is no set "1 second on 1 second off" technique to this. It is a constant adjustment. When you take a turn in a car, your steering wheel doesn't stay in the exact same spot, it is a constant left/right micro-movement as you feel out the road. Same thing.
  • You can try different packs, adjust screen distance, flip the screen from basket style to dome style, etc. Basket style tends to produce thicker rips, dome style makes it feel more like a laid back log imo.
  • Adjust grind. Finer grind = thicker but more hotspotting as the air tries to find the path of least resistance. When the herb is coarser (I still get thick rips, don't get me wrong) you can get a more even browning as the air has multiple gaps to travel through and seems to heat more evenly.
  • Adjust heat up time based off how long the session has been running. First hit, 3-5 second preheat. Start off slow, feel out the unit as it gets hot, let off trigger, ride residual heat. Second hit, 2 second preheat, heater heats up faster so start your draw slow and increase speed as heater rises in temp. Let off the trigger for half a second, slow down draw, press trigger again, wait for heater to catch up after 1-2 seconds, speed up draw again, etc. Infinite ways to go about this, just an example of how you can shift draw / trigger mid hit.
  • If using a fine grind and still trying to maintain consistent greening, hold a slower draw and don't let the heater spike too hard. Be as gradual on the climb as possible. You can get to high temp hits without hotspotting as long as you work with your herb. When you throw a steak on a too hot of a grill, the top will charr without cooking the inside. When you gradually heat, you get a nice all around cook. Think of herb this way too.
Mods
@DDave (In my opinion) makes the greatest mods for the Milaana, which improve the Milaana's already great performance.
  • He has the OG cooling mod, which comes with the micro bubbler, stems, 14mm reducer and tiny 14mm screens. This seems to be the all around best mod. I don't use the bubbler much, but I use the 14mm reducer with the 14mm screen. Despite only loading about .04, the hits are insanely big because so much heat goes through such a tiny concentrated area and it really nukes the herb for an insanely flavorful thick cloudy hit. Your herb will stretch a long way with this one.
  • He also has an all glass concentration chamber for herb and concentrates. This wedges your herb between two pieces of glass and requires no screen. The glass is further away from the heater with reduced airflow so it's harder to get huge clouds, but it'll give you the tastiest.
  • He also recently released a case that holds 4 stems in it for your convenience. You can pre-load the stems he provides, cap them, and put them in the belt clip sorta like the Arizer Air / Solo 2. On the go, you can take out a new stem, pop it in the Milaana, and be vaping within seconds.
  • If you are finding the wide 18mm stems RBT provides to be harsh or feeling a little teary-eyed using them, grab a DDave tapered stem. You have no idea how much it helps.
  • Here's a video I made of the DDave mod when it was first released ... pardon the awful audio quality.
    I have loads of Milaana videos on my page so feel free to watch me take fat rip after fat rip.
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I have officially run out of character count. Sorry :(
 
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almost there

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@AJS thanks for that amazing summary, was very thorough and informative. Me being the nerd that I am I read thru the entire thread, lol. I enjoy all the dialogue and development. When did the V3's begin? How would someone who made a purchase in the last few months differentiate the v2 from v3?
 

AJS

Calm Consistency
@AJS thanks for that amazing summary, was very thorough and informative. Me being the nerd that I am I read thru the entire thread, lol. I enjoy all the dialogue and development. When did the V3's begin? How would someone who made a purchase in the last few months differentiate the v2 from v3?
V3 has the turbulator ... not sure how to check. Maybe you can shine a light in the female and see something? Would have to have been purchased kinda recently ... idk how recently exactly.

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Also, I meant to add @cannabis.pro in the Mod section, as 420 EDC has some cool stems...but I ran out of characters. Definitely check em out, I've never used though, but we can't be forgetting them :).
 

MonkeyTime

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V3 has the turbulator ... not sure how to check. Maybe you can shine a light in the female and see something? Would have to have been purchased kinda recently ... idk how recently exactly.

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Also, I meant to add @cannabis.pro in the Mod section, as 420 EDC has some cool stems...but I ran out of characters. Definitely check em out, I've never used though, but we can't be forgetting them :).

A while back I believe @cannabis.pro mentioned that you really couldn't tell if there was a turbulator in a unit, you really just had to know about the unit.

On another note, big shout out for 420EDC and @cannabis.pro and his customer service! USPS admits they lost the package that had my walnut/emerald unit, go figure. He has insurance but it's a long, probably slow process, the second unit he shipped should be here tomorrow, you rock Mark! :rockon:

As for their glass, I like it! I have the top hat/bullet setup, my Mi has to work hard with all that glass, but in my Tubo, look out! Good quality too.
 

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah V3 is final final, but some V2 have V3 stuff like the new copper lids and safety picks, without turbulator (like some V1 unrecessed). Could be other cases here and there that have overlap in between models, whenever the next big batch begins after Zion (and Splinter?) they should all be V3s and easier to track at least
 

WakeAndVape

VapeLife X
There is no Panasonic cell on the market suitable for the Milaana.

There is no 35A cell on the market, it doesn't exist. The best is 30A and they are only 1500mAh. I tested one in the Milaana and I got 1.5 bowls only.

The MXJO 35A is a rewrapped 20A cell, possibly B grade. Sorry, no free lunch!
oh...i remember that we had that convo about the MXJO's in the past.

but I got one locally and they worked better than the LG's and Samsung's...i thought were at a degraded stage, so I got a few more and they worked for me.

but I gave my friend my old batteries and when I used his milaana they were still going strong.

Scratches on the nipple is fairly common post indent from above via hammer or whatever tool RBT uses to stamp the triangle. The issue is this contact area needs to be clean from any corrosion or patina. I hit it with a polishing wheel with a Dremel, but a plain old polishing cloth or eraser from a pencil should do the trick too.

New batteries to proper spec is always a good thing too. Year old batteries are old.
didn't know that an eraser would do the trick...im throwing that one in my.back pocket!
good shit.
 

vapen00b

Many vapes & accessories. Always happy to help
@AJS thanks for that amazing summary, was very thorough and informative. Me being the nerd that I am I read thru the entire thread, lol. I enjoy all the dialogue and development. When did the V3's begin? How would someone who made a purchase in the last few months differentiate the v2 from v3?

Yeah V3 is final final, but some V2 have V3 stuff like the new copper lids and safety picks, without turbulator (like some V1 unrecessed). Could be other cases here and there that have overlap in between models, whenever the next big batch begins after Zion (and Splinter?) they should all be V3s and easier to track at least


Also the newest Mi's are a bit taller, but slimmer than its predecessors, button moved up a tad. I'd call it more sleek and sexy. :cool:
It really feels more elegant and less chunky. Also the finish has been perfected and feels incredibly smooth. My canary shines!:o:nod:

Under the hood wise, the latest design - according to Genius himself aka Ryan our very own FC-based Chief Vapor Maker - has the optimum distance to the heater. yeah and that turb.

Actually, I'd call the latest version with turbulator the (unofficial) V4. I had a all of the three different versions before. Posted a group pic a while back... Good times, I digress. This one is clearly different than those, not only by its new dimensions ...

Like many guys, I too had my heater tuned a little hotter. It's a crazy beast but totally tameable when you know how to ride her. :evil:


Gotta love Milaana. F... the version - or better said: get one of each :p:D:bowdown:


:peace:
 

Tommy10

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Sorry must have had it wrong, no Panasonic. Whatever was highly rated on her along with the Samsung at time of Mi release and was ordered from reputable vendor from here. Will 100% true some new ones, fuck all use but th cells be 18 months old nearly.

LG it was. Two lg two Samsung and a Samsung to try sometime this year. MXJO might be getting a run.
Happy as a pig in shit with the supreme at home vc on the go.... But sometimes a lighter is not suited and the Mi is nice inside a pocket.
 
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KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
oh...i remember that we had that convo about the MXJO's in the past.

but I got one locally and they worked better than the LG's and Samsung's...i thought were at a degraded stage, so I got a few more and they worked for me.

They are surely fine, they rewrap good cells most of the time, it's just that it's not what's written on the tin inside. And it can vary from batch to batch.

Sometimes they are even genuine A-grade cells. Sometimes they are rejects, could be due to lower capacity, higher IR, other internal defects. Pretty impossible to know without expensive testing equipment.

I've been using two pairs of "VapPower" cells in my Zion since day 1, they are rebadged HE2 cells and I find that they perform (marginally) better than the pair of HE4 that came from Ryan... go figure!

The real risk is with fake cells and the super shady XXX-fire brands and their clones. Unfortunately the wrapping tells us very little as there are fakes of the major brands and also of the rebadged... That's why knowing your source is of prime importance.
 

Cheesequake

Free Men Don't Ask
Sorry must have had it wrong, no Panasonic. Whatever was highly rated on her along with the Samsung at time of Mi release and was ordered from reputable vendor from here. Will 100% true some new ones, fuck all use but th cells be 18 months old nearly.

LG it was. Two lg two Samsung and a Samsung to try sometime this year. MXJO might be getting a run.
Happy as a pig in shit with the supreme at home vc on the go.... But sometimes a lighter is not suited and the Mi is nice inside a pocket.
You may have tried this already but I find it's easiest to get even ABV and nice clean vapor by inhaling pretty fast and steadily the entire time. I'll hold the button for about 3 seconds then start drawing at a normal speed, then I'll ramp it up as I feel the heat, holding the button the whole time. If I try with a slower draw and feathering the button I don't get very good results.
 
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