Discontinued The RBT Milaana (unregulated single 18650)

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cannabis.pro

aka 420EDC
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Sorry for digging this back up. I was looking for a link to RBT Instagram and re-read this.

Speaking as an owner of a Lifetime warranty unit that I bought second hand from @vapen00b the improvements make me a little jealous.

Perhaps once the Zion is in the supply line @RastaBuddhaTao could offer a major upgrade to incorporate all the improvements found while building Zions. Possibly costing $100 (just for example) but that would make our "old" units into current 2017 or 2018 models.

At that point, people can decide they want to upgrade or not. Some may buy a second or third Milaana. Perhaps they want to gift their "old" unit through @Vitolo and buy a current model.

If people are given choices they will decide what is better for them.

It might be nice to know that we can upgrade without breaking the internal glass joint.

SMF,

Thanks for supporting RBT and getting a Milaana. I understand that you are a little jealous of recent improvements since the April/May 2016 Milaana were produced.

What I can tell you is that 95% of the time, I'm still using my unit from the same timeframe even though I have a newer (not newest) Walnut unit. In short, the reason I don't use the Walnut is in case I ever need to take a unit to Canada to show in Montreal or fly over to the EU with. It is still a bit too surreal for me to grasp that I now have the ability to put a Milaana together and head North or East with it if needed.

The intent of what you are saying is something I wish for myself in terms of a user servicable unit, or a manufacturer upgradeable device. The Milaana was designed to be minimalistic in nature using off the shelf materials and some engineering expertise in the top level performance. The unit wasn't designed to be user servicable beyond battery swapping and choosing mouthpiece or not, screen placement, etc.

Knowing what I know now compared to a few months back when I only briefly looked over units at various places in the assembly flow, I don't see the need to have semi-recessed glass, although I think it looks better than fully recessed or non-recessed female glass. When preparing a short stem for deployment, I've learned the trick to getting maximum extraction without scorching the materials, which means the turbulator doesn't really add much to the sessions. I just am not in the habit of putting a vape in my pocket to carry around, so I don't need the safety pick modification either as I remove the battery when transporting the device. Our medical cannabis laws here are strict but at least we can buy flowers and vape them without the need to pay someone to over proce$$ the plant (see Pennsylvania's medical cannabis law for an example).

More importantly, there is really not a reason to break apart a Milaana for anything other than repairing broken female glass or a rarely occurring heater failure/short. Whether the glass is broken or not, it will likely be broken during the removal and unbonding from the epoxy. On a warranty repair for glass replacement, sometimes the heater becomes a casualty of the fix due to the nature of the build/design. Heck, I would guess that even the wooden shell can have issues during a warranty/repair, as wood isn't indestructible and some of these woods hold up better than others. I'm sure I'll understand this better once I get a few RMAs under my belt.

You want to give people a choice here but IMO there isn't really much of one, and it is not necessary to make the choice if you have an already properly functioning Milaana. You think there is a choice here, but the time involved in ripping apart the old unit could just be put into building a new unit faster implementing all the fixes that have been added to the build over the last 11 months. Wood can't be made longer although it can be removed, and this is one of the design changes in current models. They are longer but a bit narrower.

The most important improvement is the Safety Pick for those wanting to pocket the Milaana and run the risk of a gravity check for an unprotected device. This can be implemented on any device without any type of rework other than adding the pick under the copper and adjusting washers and the brass screw.

Maybe once RBT gets the Zion Train rolling, 510, Desktop, etc. there would be a Mi2, and with some forward thinking, that unit would be more user serviceable in design. What we have now really isn't and that's the reality of choosing a US manufactured vaporizer designed to last compared to a US Designed/Chinese manufactured vaporizer designed to be landfilled when the newest iteration hits the streets.
 

Trustin Judeau

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SMF,

Thanks for supporting RBT and getting a Milaana. I understand that you are a little jealous of recent improvements since the April/May 2016 Milaana were produced.

What I can tell you is that 95% of the time, I'm still using my unit from the same timeframe even though I have a newer (not newest) Walnut unit. In short, the reason I don't use the Walnut is in case I ever need to take a unit to Canada to show in Montreal or fly over to the EU with. It is still a bit too surreal for me to grasp that I now have the ability to put a Milaana together and head North or East with it if needed.

The intent of what you are saying is something I wish for myself in terms of a user servicable unit, or a manufacturer upgradeable device. The Milaana was designed to be minimalistic in nature using off the shelf materials and some engineering expertise in the top level performance. The unit wasn't designed to be user servicable beyond battery swapping and choosing mouthpiece or not, screen placement, etc.

Knowing what I know now compared to a few months back when I only briefly looked over units at various places in the assembly flow, I don't see the need to have semi-recessed glass, although I think it looks better than fully recessed or non-recessed female glass. When preparing a short stem for deployment, I've learned the trick to getting maximum extraction without scorching the materials, which means the turbulator doesn't really add much to the sessions. I just am not in the habit of putting a vape in my pocket to carry around, so I don't need the safety pick modification either as I remove the battery when transporting the device. Our medical cannabis laws here are strict but at least we can buy flowers and vape them without the need to pay someone to over proce$$ the plant (see Pennsylvania's medical cannabis law for an example).

More importantly, there is really not a reason to break apart a Milaana for anything other than repairing broken female glass or a rarely occurring heater failure/short. Whether the glass is broken or not, it will likely be broken during the removal and unbonding from the epoxy. On a warranty repair for glass replacement, sometimes the heater becomes a casualty of the fix due to the nature of the build/design. Heck, I would guess that even the wooden shell can have issues during a warranty/repair, as wood isn't indestructible and some of these woods hold up better than others. I'm sure I'll understand this better once I get a few RMAs under my belt.

You want to give people a choice here but IMO there isn't really much of one, and it is not necessary to make the choice if you have an already properly functioning Milaana. You think there is a choice here, but the time involved in ripping apart the old unit could just be put into building a new unit faster implementing all the fixes that have been added to the build over the last 11 months. Wood can't be made longer although it can be removed, and this is one of the design changes in current models. They are longer but a bit narrower.

The most important improvement is the Safety Pick for those wanting to pocket the Milaana and run the risk of a gravity check for an unprotected device. This can be implemented on any device without any type of rework other than adding the pick under the copper and adjusting washers and the brass screw.

Maybe once RBT gets the Zion Train rolling, 510, Desktop, etc. there would be a Mi2, and with some forward thinking, that unit would be more user serviceable in design. What we have now really isn't and that's the reality of choosing a US manufactured vaporizer designed to last compared to a US Designed/Chinese manufactured vaporizer designed to be landfilled when the newest iteration hits the streets.
Ryan,

Thanks for response.

I would greatly appreciate if you could read AND comment on my older email. ( one I send after you reimbursed me).
Especially your comment about me trying to get something for free?

What are the chances that the original unit I sent you is still there( maybe in a box with my name on it?);)
What are the chances I get back a unit with recessed glass?

Please advise

I will happily share the hopefully good outcome of this transaction.
I'm bummed out because the first Milaana served me so well for almost a year.

If you inspect this unit you will notice that glueing is almost non existent on this unit

Will send it off to you once I hear back from you

Peace:)?
 
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cannabis.pro

aka 420EDC
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Ryan,

Thanks for response.

I would greatly appreciate if you could read AND comment on my older email. ( one I send after you reimbursed me).
Especially your comment about me trying to get something for free?

What are the chances that the original unit I sent you is still there( maybe in a box with my name on it?);)
What are the chances I get back a unit with recessed glass?

Please advise

I will happily share the hopefully good outcome of this transaction.
I'm bummed out because the first Milaana served me so well for almost a year.

If you inspect this unit you will notice that glueing is almost non existent on this unit

Will send it off to you once I hear back from you

Peace:)?
Hey Trustin,

Just wanted to clarify that you are contacting/quoting the wrong person here. I am not Ryan. Not sure when he'll be checking back as he is on a two week hiatus (he's a few days into it). My suggestion is to follow up with Ryan however you have been communicating in the past.

In terms of the glue you mention as non-existent, since April 2016, the process has been improved and the party that was responsible for visually excessive adhesive is not involved with the project any longer. We are still using the adhesive but we are applying it sparingly where it is barely observable but still effective when used in conjunction with the semi-recessed design implemented into the current build.

Hope this helps!
 

oddjobold

Vape swap shop
I got a second hand Milaana off the classifieds.

I love the taste on this vape - but i have only used it twice because it really makes my chest bad. So much so that my breathing is laboured and i am wheezy.

When i first got this vape the inner glass came lose in shipping. After speaking to Ryan i used some good quality epoxy (gorilla) to glue it back in. However i was opperating the heater while the glass was out and i noticed it was off-gassing. Ryan said this was normal as you should not operate the heater without air flowing over it.

I cant taste anything werid while using it and last time i used very little herb and was very gentle on the throttle.

The taste is amazing on this vape and am very happy with the performance. However i cant really use it if my chest is gonna react like this.

Already got wood stems on order with Alan and using water is not an option.

Any ideas? Not sure if the vape heater is contanimated or if its just me. I dont have any issues using my omni or swift pro.
 

cannabis.pro

aka 420EDC
Accessory Maker
Any ideas? Not sure if the vape heater is contanimated or if its just me. I dont have any issues using my omni or swift pro.

Do you happen to have a long stem? Do you have any other breathing issues like Asthma or have you been a long time tobacco user? Just trying to understand the human dynamics at work here.
 

MonkeyTime

Well-Known Member
I got a second hand Milaana off the classifieds.

I love the taste on this vape - but i have only used it twice because it really makes my chest bad. So much so that my breathing is laboured and i am wheezy.

When i first got this vape the inner glass came lose in shipping. After speaking to Ryan i used some good quality epoxy (gorilla) to glue it back in. However i was opperating the heater while the glass was out and i noticed it was off-gassing. Ryan said this was normal as you should not operate the heater without air flowing over it.

I cant taste anything werid while using it and last time i used very little herb and was very gentle on the throttle.

The taste is amazing on this vape and am very happy with the performance. However i cant really use it if my chest is gonna react like this.

Already got wood stems on order with Alan and using water is not an option.

Any ideas? Not sure if the vape heater is contanimated or if its just me. I dont have any issues using my omni or swift pro.
I'm not familiar with either of those vapes, do they hit as hard or open as the Mi? Maybe you're just not used too that much vapor flowing so freely?

Did Ryan approve of Gorilla Glue? I use a few of them and think highly off them, but not necessarily in my pathway.....
 

oddjobold

Vape swap shop
Do you happen to have a long stem? Do you have any other breathing issues like Asthma or have you been a long time tobacco user? Just trying to understand the human dynamics at work here.

I did use to smoke gave up 5 years ago. No asthma or breathing issues diagnosed. I have used both the long and short stems - same issue.

I'm not familiar with either of those vapes, do they hit as hard or open as the Mi? Maybe you're just not used too that much vapor flowing so freely?

Did Ryan approve of Gorilla Glue? I use a few of them and think highly off them, but not necessarily in my pathway.....

Dynavap omnivap
Flowermate swift pro

Ryan said any 5min epoxy would do.
 
oddjobold,

muunch

hotboxing the cockpit
Keep a drink nearby and try and take small hits. A bubbler helps but it's a catch22 bc you lose some flavor.

Wooden stems using the 2screen method works for me with minimal irritation but I still get coughing fits sometimes.

I think I'm stuck with a perpetual cough due to the hot air on my throat drying it out really quickly or something. Maybe it'll change but it's been around 6mo. now. I was a cig smoker, and quit using an ecig. Ecig doesn't dry me out I assume due to the moisture? It's also less direct hot air... idk
 
muunch,

oddjobold

Vape swap shop
Strange thing was - last time i used it was only using a pinch - small blast on the heater - not even visable vapor. Still wake up with a bad chest.
 
oddjobold,

muunch

hotboxing the cockpit
Oh, waking up with a heavy chest is something I don't get. Only if I combust or vape really heavily. And I assume this wouldn't happen if I didn't have this excess phlegm+cough thing... I used to vape back in the day with mflb with no real issues so idk
 
muunch,

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Strange thing was - last time i used it was only using a pinch - small blast on the heater - not even visable vapor. Still wake up with a bad chest.

I can get something like that if I overdo it night before (especially with a cold), it's a lot of hot air on the throat and lungs, but also particles from your herb since the screens don't catch everything (I like their courseness more than finer mesh screens actually) so you might want to try using a hemp fiber filter in your stem. That may solve your problem and give you a good source of reclaim to vape again later on too
 

cybrguy

Putin is a War Criminal
I love the taste on this vape - but i have only used it twice because it really makes my chest bad. So much so that my breathing is laboured and i am wheezy.
Any vape with decent or good airflow can lead me to some chest discomfort, tho it is usually live rather than the next day for me. To a great extent it seems to just be the heated air getting right down into the lungs. It's pretty tough to get the vapor without any heat. And increasing that vapor flow is what we are after, after all.

Frankly, this is why I mostly vape through water at home. Lungs don't really recover very well over time, and the damage I did with decades of cigarette smoking took a toll.

So, when I am not at home and going through water I just take smaller and/or less deep hits. It is still WAY better than smoking, but there is really no way to take heat and vapor (with whatever level of particulates) into your lungs with NO deleterious effect. The trick is just to reduce it as much as you can while still getting the hits you want. And that's with ANY vape.

Added: One recommendation. I have a stem with a significant bend in it that I use sometimes when not using water. I find that it absorbs some of the heat as you can tell as it gets warm. It may get a little more dirty for the same reason, but being glass you can always reclaim it. This may noticeably reduce the heat of your vapor and may reduce your discomfort. Or not. :)
 
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Prolusio

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but also particles from your herb since the screens don't catch everything (I like their courseness more than finer mesh screens actually) so you might want to try using a hemp fiber filter in your stem. That may solve your problem and give you a good source of reclaim to vape again later on too


I discovered that was what was causing me asthma like symptoms when I was first learning how to use my Milaana. I had some mild hot/dry vapour irritation but that was mostly from me overdoing it and felt quite different. That was more a pain or soreness as if I had pushed myself too hard.

But I was also getting symptoms of tight chest, mucus, breathing discomfort.. Basically an asthma attack. The issue for me was I was used to filling stems with the vacuum method, because that's how I always loaded my SSV/EQ which have a whip.. but if I do that with short/direct stems like the Milaana or UD I find I end up inhaling some kief and that sends me right into a mild asthma attack. I seem to be quite allergic to directly inhaling actual plant matter. Adding a filter like @Shit Snacks suggests or using the cooling wand @DDave sells solved this problem for me. So did using the Milaana through water but that doesn't seem to be an option for @oddjobold.
 

oddjobold

Vape swap shop
Thanks guys for the tips. I am gonna wait for my wooden stems then try some ungummed hemp fiber. I guess i would be able to taste something werid if there was something in the heater.

Got some ungummed hemp fiber with my omnivap. In the UK. Does anyone know where i can get some more? Seems hard to get here.
 
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Cl4ud3

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Thanks guys for the tips. I am gonna wait for my wooden stems then try some ungummed hemp fiber. I guess i would be able to taste something werid if there was something in the heater.

Got some ungummed hemp fiber with my omnivap. In the UK. Does anyone know where i can get some more? Seems hard to get here.
I ended up buying some Japanese organic cotton from an online vape store instead as it was easier than finding hemp here.

You could give very small hits a try though before you get the wood stem, and maybe try a whole nug of herb in the basket instead of grinding and sucking up. As you have come from the FF2 I will say you can get in 5 secs on a Milaana what 30 seconds sipping would get you on the FF2.
 

TheRobbo

Well-Known Member
That came with early units, for oil use... bunch some up put it in the stem put/melt some hash in and vape... Works quite well

Edit: Some early units had it in the air intake as a filter as well. Before the screen in there. Mine came with nothing in the intake so I put some of the mesh in, then put a screen in over the top to look nice!
 

Vapenvy

Indie vaper
I love the taste on this vape - but i have only used it twice because it really makes my chest bad. So much so that my breathing is laboured and i am wheezy.

I was finding this too. I think it is due to the 18mm wide open design, so it delivers massive vapor, and lots of dry air to do this. As noted by others, some cotton or hemp fiber can help reduce flow and catch particles.

I found by far the best method (without water filtration to add moisture -which you say is a no go) was to use an 18-14 reducer and a 14 mm stem. It reduces overall volume of air and reduced the dry wheezy feeling for me. The @DDave version 2 kit was perfect for my needs. Gives lots of options, includingthe awesome vapor cooler/HT, but any reducer and stem that fits should work.

I had some grey ribbon stuff in a little bag come with the vape. Whats this for? Is meant to go in the heater screen?

As @TheRobbo noted, it is for concentrates and air intake filter. I also used it for a little while as a 'hemp filter' as described above which worked fine, but not as well as cotton to collect particles, but it is better than cotton when it comes to vaping the reclaim as it won't burn or taste weird if the temp goes too high (compared to cotton).

Good luck
 

HellsWindStaff

Dharma Initiate
Has anyone vaped tobacco with this? My lungs don't hurt and feel fine but I do smoke cigs but this may be a good substitute? I have a long stem I never ever ever use...

My milaana still going good I bust it out weekly/biweekly for a few days :) definitely in rotation
 

RastaBuddhaTao

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Manufacturer
Has anyone vaped tobacco with this? My lungs don't hurt and feel fine but I do smoke cigs but this may be a good substitute? I have a long stem I never ever ever use...

My milaana still going good I bust it out weekly/biweekly for a few days :) definitely in rotation

@HellsWindStaff good to hear your Mi is still in use.
You can vape tobacco, e-juice on hemp fiber... even tea :). There are some nice fine tobacco's for too... @thekarmawhore turned me on to a few.
 
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