Yes he was, and maybe you scared him away with your aggressive answer, so while reading back last evolution I cant not not answer to you. YES YOU ARE BIASED, let make peace with it. In a good way biased because as rbt said: (the very first phrase of this thread):
So you are biased by being kind of god father of milana, you gave him advice while he was growing up, help his father to create it.
You will stand by him against any criticism and because of this you are little help to us. As ss (
@Shit Snacks btw, you have a very evil acronyme) remember, between first customers (simple customers) one dislike it one other like it but find vapor hot, was it mentionned by z team before (hot vapor)? I do not remember
Sorry about the acronym, also think Kero was being pretty tongue in cheek but ah written word humor is tricky!
In any event just wanted to say that at the start that was true, but the final product Milaana has almost nothing us Z team members had suggested, he ultimately went and did it all himself as he thought it should be done (with some help from initial tester MrP, then tweak confirmations from me and Krazy).
Also regarding heat, yes vapor is hot, I am a low temp lover though and do okay here, but it's wide open airpath high heat, its gonna be hot and harsh vs the aforementioned Elevape, but it's worlds better than an Air/Solo or imo even a Firefly
Judging by the PM's, I seem to have made more than one of your heads explode by not liking your precious Milaana. Thanks for your concern, but I am OK!!!
Look, it's a decent vape, it's just not for me. Here's why:
-heater too hot: I have two US patents, and am always intrigued by fellow inventors. RBT's patented heat tech intrigued me by the heat plots I saw (perhaps for Zion). The heat rose asymptotically towards combustion temp quite nicely. If people were vaping successfully on the Zion at 75%, I assumed this would have been tweaked to run at that temp. Nope, it's full blast. It's like having a pocket Nano stuck on 10--I can handle it but is no fun IMO.
-stems: I don't think 18mm stems are a good system. Stuff falls out easily, they are too wide to cook evenly, and stirring inevitably makes a mess. On top of that, the area near the heater is narrower than above so there is more material further from the heater than closer. This practically ensures uneven cooking. The screens are ok, but too much material gets stuck on the sides, whether I use it basket or dome style, same problem occurs. UD stems with installed screens are a much better solution IMO.
-potability: How is this thing truly portable? I just don't get it. The canvas bag is nice, but not a solution for carrying glass stems. There's no lock on the device, so you'd have to take the battery out every time. In practice, it just doesn't seem like a viable portable option.
-instructions: WTF, seriously—no instructions?!? RBT has excommunicated FC for some reason, but then we're supposed to come here to learn how to use the device? That seems totally arrogant to me. And to be told when I am looking for tips that I should read a 60+ page thread just seems a little tone deaf.
-company: I wasn't contacted prior to shipment, or at all for that matter. I don't need hand-holding, but I think a 5-year old running a lemonade stand knows more about pleasing customers.
Lastly, I'd just like to say how I resent people putting words in my mouth here and on reddit implying that I hardly used this thing or that I don't know how to use vapes. This is why people get turned off FC, or criticize these threads for being biased. This and the Zion thread are so ridiculous with such a dearth of real info, it's no wonder reddit thinks it's a joke. And the cult references are just awful—having lost a childhood friend to a religious cult I can't find any humor there, sorry.
I like to think of myself as equidistant between the FC fanboys and the reddit skeptics. Putting words into my mouth just makes me less likely to share my experiences. I have owned PD, Iolite, UD, Nano, Herbalizer, FW and others, so it's not for lack of experience, I just didn't like the Milaana. Deal with it.
First let me apologize if you feel I am guilty of said misrepresentation, just sharing my own impressions based on what you shared, sorry if I was out of line.
Regarding hot heater, I did tell him to make it hotter, perhaps you wouldve liked my beta better... But the key to that control is battery level, again bc Zion is regulated and this is not, the hotter starting temp at a full charge allows aforementioned concentrates (which can be done lower too with preheats I'm sure) and less preheat when the battery is weaker, overall just faster to get to that max set "temp"
Wih you on the stems, 18mm not perfect for a secure stem (if only he kept the old stem lock feature) but the pros outweigh the cons in my experience. And totally different on the screens, I found then far better and less cloggy than UD stems. The way you grind and pack is also a huge factor here.
Portability, that too had been addressed with all the separate parts, I have been finding fairly easy to pocket with the battery in place even, in loose pants or hoodie pockets. I just put a stem loose in another pocket (would like a case though, if only I had a shorty stem that could fit in the battey case...) with containers for herb and avb and a toothpick. Not as convenient as a GH seems though so looking forward to that still too! (Someday...)
And finally yeah can't comment on the company procedures and lack of instructions, I know he was anxious to get these things out maybe more than anyone else, so he just went full on surprise and unprepared... Debatable if he should've waited and taken the time to do a proper launch, none of this seems to have gone as expected, but imo there is a ton of quality info in the threads, unfortunately just a lot of crap too.
Am I not entitled to my opinion? Allow me to rephrase: I find there to be a dearth of real, pertinent and useful info in this and the Zion thread, info that would have been instrumental to me in deciding to skip this vape. Pak, you yourself agreed with many of my criticisms yet I do not remember my specific critiques being outlined in this thread. That would have been the useful info I found lacking.
I'll stop contributing now since I've sold my Milaana and have nothing more to add.
We could have been better, so sorry there too, no one asked for a pros and cons list somehow...
Anyway wishing you luck on the next purchase, and seriously sorry again dude, did not mean anything against you, just sharing my own perspectives. It is important to have yours as well, so thank you for sharing despite everything.
@Shit Snacks I seem to recall some verbal instructions for modulation to create low medium and high settings... I think high was 3sec on, 1 sec off, repeat? Do you remember anything about the suggested modulation for temps?
I'm presently just dabbing with mine, which is pretty much just press and hold
Ah yes, its somewhere in here, don't remember where... In any case I'm not sure that will even make it in to the eventual instructions, but my bottom line takeaway would be just don't hold the button too long, let go and use the residual heat (especially on a fresh battery)
