The Nug Runner

Joel W.

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@Joel W. I'm not sure I can explain it any better. User experience will determine if what I'm saying holds any merit.

Simple as that ;)
Yes, agreed on both and IMO, unless your plates are flexing to fit the knuckle you describe, the knuckle part of your explanation is lost on me. Whatever comes in contact first, with the opposite plate, will prevent contact elsewhere on the plates, giving uneven pressure.

Even contact everywhere is what we are all after, I don't care if the plates are flat or in a W shape if they are tight to each other..

Good luck with your press.
 
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TelFiRE

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This is awesome.

Do you think you might manufacture one made for pressing far more at a time?
 
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IAmKrazy2

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@TheNugRunner
Keep me on the short list when ready please..maybe will even consider a few videos and an HD review like i have been doing with vapes. Cheers.
 
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EpicNameGuy

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I don't claim to understand why or even if the knuckle design is an efficiency gain. However, as described, it sounds like it pushes the oil out so that it flows away from the heat. I have a hard time visualizing this.

However, I have seen quite a number of videos now showing what looks to be visually good looking yields with a low amount of physical effort to do so. It's hard to say what is lending to that effect, but the design as a whole seems to be sound.

I don't see anything that would make me think it works any less than a flat plate in comparable design. All in all, the target price is lower than the $600 arbor press plate packages and the plate design is intriguing and we are seeing the results in video.

Maybe it's a bit much to say flat plate designs are flawed. However, maybe they aren't as efficient? Either way, if they are comparable, that still means the NugRunner will be cheaper than comparable competition. As someone who is rather informed on the topic, I'm intrigued by the NugRunner and have reserved a spot. I have a feeling the folks designing it are not foolish enough to have round 1 be a total failure as they are a limited run and no one will buy off of round 2 if the round 1 folks aren't well taken care of by the product. See D-Nail and their first press for proof on how that goes.

Naturally, I'll be sharing my experiences with the press with the community. However, it will absolutely be from the perspective of a consumer who simply wants a low priced effective off-the-shelf solution to producing concentrates with no aspirations for pumping out high volume. If it can do .5 - 1 gram at a time without wasting it and do so reliably, I will be pleased.
 
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nosmoking

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Just talking out my bong here but I would think the knuckle should allow more PSI to be distributed without breaking the parchment. I would also think it would cause the bud to stretch more as it is bending as it is being flattened. For some reason I would think this would push more heat much more consistently and efficiently through the bud which should result in better yields.

Think of it this way. If you ironed a shirt some areas may be wetter than others so you pull on the shirt to stretch it to get that extra water and wrinkle out. Maybe I am to vaped to be here right now:science:...I am not sure which so you all can decide!

I havent been concentrating in awhile and since I got my Supreme I have not felt the need to, however this little nug runner has me watching from a distance...:ninja:
 
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TheNugRunner

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@PoopMachine yes! Thanks for asking. We are one to two weeks out from being able to take and ship orders for the first run. The bad weather here in CA held us up a bit, but we're shaking our asses. We're as excited to share our creation with everyone as they are to get it. Thanks for hanging in there with us. We really appreciate everyones support.

@nosmoking and @EpicNameGuy you guys said it best. I feel I've talked myself blue in the face and am starting to sound like a shill. Time for us to put up or shut up.
 

Bad Ocelot

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Nice! Not sure if it's the mechanical advantage you get with the lever or the knuckle design but that yield looks impressive. Never been able to get much out of the straightening iron method.
 
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Shiggity

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With a knuckle think of where the pressure is. It is central first. The knob touches in the center and pushes it in. It stretches the Nug from the center outward. It heats from center first then outward. Rosin in the center will get heat first as it is stretched down by the knuckle. It will flow outward first. Good design.

To really picture it imagine a metal plate the thickness of a soda can on the press. It will push center and stretch the can inward. We will be left with a stretched cup.

Now think of a the same flat plate in the same situation with flat pressing dies. It would be hit with pressure all over at the same rate. The flat plate wouldn't get any flatter. The pressure is evenly distributed.
If a Nug is pressed in a flat plate setup, rosin in the center will have no clear path to take. It will melt at the same time as all the other rosin in the Nug.

Now if only I could get them to respond and put me on the list.
 
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EpicNameGuy

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I received one of the first run units in April IIRC. It's a decent unit, but you have to sort of have modest expectations. My expectations were met, but I do wish I had better yields to brag about.

I tend to get yields anywhere from 11%-18% depending on the quality going in. I am limited to pressing at work during the weekend for the most part. The task of pressing a quarter per session takes quite a bit of time beginning-to-end, so playing with temps press times has been limited. I am almost always pressing at 127C which is 260F roughly. I have not gone above that but may try to. I have gone down to 250F but it didn't seem to make much of a difference in quality or yield; it just took longer to squeeze.

The 18% happened once with dispensary flower that is too over priced to be cost effective on the yield at 350/oz. But it was of course higher quality overall. Other strains from that dispensary didn't quite perform as well but were 14-16%. I have had 11-13% be more the standard yield for me when using black market flower in the 180-200oz range which I sort of found to be the most economic per g of yield from an oz and still nice quality with one strain in particular auto-buddering over the course of 3 days.

I imagine if I had access to higher quality flower at more reasonable prices, I would be happier overall. I don't regret the purchase but personally think it could have had a more affordable price tag. If I paid $320 instead of $420 for the press, that would shift me from being a little above neutral to quite happy.

Still, dealing with the folks their was pleasant through-and-through. At no point did they ever claim the press would outperform a 1-ton but would be comparable. They manage to get me into the first run and I had been in contact with them for a few months prior to that just keeping a beat on things. As far as customer service, I have only good things to say. When you stop and consider how many crappy china presses are out on the market right now, I consider that somewhat important.

I can't really say whether or not the knuckle aids in yields at all. I sort of suspect that when it comes to yield, it could be aiding but its sort of obscured by the relative lack of pressure the press outputs. The mechanical leverage multiplies the input force by 3.75. There is a stirrup attachment you can use to "stand" on the lever. If I'm using all my body weight and some additional upper body force, I estimate I'm giving it 300lbs or so in and getting out of body weight and maybe getting 1125lbs applied to the plates, which then needs to be divided across the area to ascertain the PSI. The diameter of the plates are 1.5 inches. I believe this equates to a 1.77 in^2 area. If so, my estimated 1125lbs / 1.77 in^2 = 635 psi. I hear the number to strive for is 600+ so perhaps force is not actually the issue for me. I'm not sure honestly.

The plates are estimated to be rated up to 1800lbs which is shy of a ton. This is disappointing as I was contemplating swapping them to a stronger press but it's not really worth it just to step up to a ton and void my warranty. While I can't speak to whether the knuckles aids the yield at those temps and pressures, it is pretty helpful for aiming the bud in the center of the plates and holding it there while you adjust..

I am generally pressing .7-.8g of flower at a time. Going lower just increased the labor for me without adding anything noticeable to yields. Higher and the flower will escape the area of the plate on press necessitating re-presses to the areas missed. As far as folding and repressing just to get everything out, I do a second press that doesn't yield a whole bunch but maybe leads towards a 1% increase in yield vs if I didn't. I tried third presses but what comes out is too dark and too little to be worth the effort. So, maybe that is indicative that the flower it the limiting factor for me and not the press itself.

I wanted to review the unit when I got it, but based on the lack of a truly awesome yield, I decided I'd hold off. So I don't really intend for this to be anything more than sharing my experience <b>so far</b>. I don't have a strong positive or negative feeling about the product at the time other than to say it's better than my trigger clamp from a durability, size per press, and temp adjustability / consistency perspective. From a strictly yield-perspective.. I did not see any appreciable gain from going from the trigger clamp to this press. However, my straightener plates on the trigger clamp were constantly breaking after a couple of pressing sessions. After 3 or 4 builds I was done throwing money at that as a solution. The press enabled me personally to be able to consistently press without concern or reality of breakdowns and that's perhaps my favorite feature lol. And I can press .8 instead of .2 at a time. That counts because it's a pretty manual process overall.

I'd say as far as first iterations go, it's a really solid product. Presumably they will only improve upon it from here. It appears to be very durable, it performs as described, and when pressing dispensary flower I get acceptable yields. That's without regard to cost of the flower and the press. If it were $100 cheaper, I'd feel better recommending it to anyone that would listen.

For now, I'd say if you are a DIY type of person, spend the money on that approach. If you are not inclined to build or source a PID and plates and fashion them onto a press, it could be a viable option if you have money to burn. I'd certainly recommend spending it on a press over a "next gen dabbing surface" for your nail lol. However, I'd at least scope out the competition as there are complete arbor presses with plates and PID for about the same price right now IIRC. They weren't when I was in the market so I was ok with pulling the trigger at the time.

It's quite likely I'm just not running into miracle 20%+ yielding flower. This is my main reservation with putting out any sort of official review. A proper review would require a comparable alternative press to press side-by-side and compare yields. If anyone is MA, CT or RI wants to "face-off" their .5 - 1 ton press against mine, I'm very down for that. Otherwise, I'd say just don't expect a big bump in yields unless you are strictly using a straightener with no clamp.

Sorry for the never-ending post :p
 
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matthend

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see, that is my hold back too. I am getting 20% return on some gsc with my c-clamp straightener combo, albeit with some effort. The only reason I can see to outlay the extra cash is for the ease of use with something like joel's plates
 
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EpicNameGuy

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see, that is my hold back too. I am getting 20% return on some gsc with my c-clamp straightener combo, albeit with some effort. The only reason I can see to outlay the extra cash is for the ease of use with something like joel's plates

It does seem like once you get to a straightener & clamp solution, you are getting roughly the yields you will get with the .5 - 1 tons. Perhaps just shy. The benefits, as you seem to understand, revolve around ease of use and the amount you can press at a time. Even with the higher ton presses, it seems like they still opt for large plates in order to maximize that benefit.

I could be wrong about the following, but I am guessing based on observation that as you get into the higher psi at the plates (whatever size they may be) and you start transitioning away from shatter / pull snap consistency and towards budder, you could be actually pushing out more waxes (along with perhaps more terpenes due to pressure and lower temps) that are contributing to the higher yield and the sort of inverse appearance of output observed.

What I mean by that is probably best described by thinking of the QWET process. The longer you expose the flower to the ethanol, the more compounds you extract. Depending on what you're going for, that can be good or bad. But generally, the shorter the wash the higher the quality / purity.

Perhaps with rosin, the higher overall yields (that are also quickly a budder type consistency) with the 10-20 ton presses aren't necessarily squeezing more quality out. Or, if they are, they may also be pulling more waxes and things.

If that's true, the irony would be that people are throwing tons of money to get waxier products out of their presses in pursuit of higher yields. Of course, this would be the reverse of what others tend to do with BHO and the like. They generally strive to filter out the fats in pursuit of shatter and as a result, lessen their initial yields. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, lol.

I think all of this stuff is cool because its still new and there are a lot of things left to determine. I don't know if I'll get access to a high tonnage press anytime soon, but if so I'd really like to test that theory out.
 
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smokum

I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
@TheNugRunner

Any further advances, supply/inventory, web storefront, news ? (I don't instagram/facebook/etc), but am interested in Canada... and want an All-In package to use out of the box.
 

TheNugRunner

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Manufacturer
@smokum we have a few available. Email me and I will get you taken care of.

@EpicNameGuy thank you for your honest break down. I'm sorry that you didn't get the results you were hoping for. We also don't regularly purchase high end flower, so while our results were pretty good, most everyone else's results are amazing. We've been blown away by it.
 

PoopMachine

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Do you have any photos of the current unit? Will it work as a tabletop unit? Does it need to be bolted down?
 
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EpicNameGuy

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@PoopMachine if you're interested, it seems like they are most active on Instagram. I'd suggest checking them out there as they have videos of the unit in action and what not there.

It looks to be similar to the old unit, but as @TheNugRunner mentioned, higher pressure output and a bit bigger plates.

@TheNugRunner No worries. It's certainly a solid unit. I do admit I wish the yields were better, but I have occasionally ran into flower that has done well. The medical scene in MA has some great flower, but its just prohibitively expensive.

I do wish I could somehow trade my v1 OG unsigned press in for a discount on an updated unit, but I realize that's not realistic. If the flower that yielded 18%-20% wasn't going for 350/oz, I imagine that'd affect my outlook too.

On the otherhand, I don't really have to buy concentrate anymore, and while I end up effectively paying about 60/g for the rosin I make, it's superior to the bho I've come across and it's a lot easier to find quality flower vs quality concentrate. The NugRunner wasn't a bad buy overall and I did sign up for a first edition so that sort of comes with the territory. And dealing with you guys was very straightforward and an overall good experience.
 
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