the Michael Brown thread

CarolKing

CarolKing

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I think most of us can only imagine what it would be, to live life like that as a teen. So sorry for the poverty and the hell they live through every day. If it's not hard enough to be a teenager during this day and age.

I haven't contributed much up until now. I'm just reading and watching on CNN. The police seem very unorganized and angry. It's good that cameras are catching this important info.

I'm sure there are plenty of good police officers but some need to get different jobs.

On the side of the police cars where I come from, it says, "to serve and protect".
 
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Been Vapin

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How about a Lil something uplifting in here.
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Vicki

Vicki

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olivianewtonjohn said:
Ok I wont speak for Vicki. Thats what I gathered what she meant.

Let me know if you disagree with what I posted above
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That is EXACTLY what I meant. Thank you @olivianewtonjohn That is why I liked your post. I replied to Caligula more than once, and I chose to stop because he will never be satisfied with anything I reference or say, so I gave up. He just seems to want to be combative with me despite the fact that I did answer his question, more than once.
 
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momofthegoons

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Vicki said:
That is EXACTLY what I meant. Thank you @olivianewtonjohn That is why I liked your post. I replied to Caligula more than once, and I chose to stop because he will never be satisfied with anything I reference or say, so I gave up. He just seems to want to be combative with me despite the fact that I did answer his question, more than once.
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Vicki, I don't think Caligula was trying to be combative as much as trying to keep discussion accurate. In threads like this, you can't take requests to back up your statements with facts personally.
 
olivianewtonjohn

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Vicki said:
I understand that. I did answer his question, though, more than once.
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It think it came down to you saying they always use lethal force then said they use lethal force most of the time. From his reply I gathered he wants evidence and also disagrees.

I took it as a phrasing issue I know what you meant but those terms are not correct if you want to get accurate/analytical. From what I understand his counterpoint is that there are X# of police encounters each year and for it to be lethal force most of the time it would need to be a big part of X#. Does that make sense? The point I understood is that they use lethal/excessive force more often than they should
 
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rayski

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olivianewtonjohn said:
It think it came down to you saying they always use lethal force then said they use lethal force most of the time. From his reply I gathered he wants evidence and also disagrees.

I took it as a phrasing issue I know what you meant but those terms are not correct if you want to get accurate/analytical. From what I understand his counterpoint is that there are X# of police encounters each year and for it to be lethal force most of the time it would need to be a big part of X#. Does that make sense? The point I understood is that they use lethal/excessive force more often than they should
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It's not easy to get valid statistics without good data. McClatchy: Data on police shootins is hard to find www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/08/20/237137/data-on-police-shootings-is-hard.html?sp =/99/200/365/
 
tuk

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@Vicki ...the numbers relating to the incidence of lethal force by police officers is hard to come by because the reporting of the data by police departments is on a voluntary basis..........wut!, the FBI keeps count but it's estimated only 25% of killings are reported to them.

Check the bold bits..
THE shooting of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old African-American, by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, is a reminder that civilians—innocent or guilty—are far more likely to be shot by police in America than in any other rich country. In 2012, according to data compiled by the FBI, 410 Americans were “justifiably” killed by police—409 with guns. That figure may well be an underestimate. Not only is it limited to the number of people who were shot while committing a crime, but also, amazingly, reporting the data is voluntary.

Last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero. In 2012 the figure was just one. Even after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain’s population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014 the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/08/armed-police
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You can find reams of statistics for practically every aspect of law enforcement in the United States, from the kind of holsters officers are wearing when they're assaulted to the number of murders committed every year using blunt objects.

But there's one statistic you won't find among all those numbers: an accurate accounting of how often police officers use deadly force.

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The available nationwide statistics are so inaccurate that the numbers for Central Florida police agencies from 1999 through 2002 reported only a quarter of the actual fatal shootings by police

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...icers-commissioner-of-police-police-shootings
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2clicker

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Chill Dude said:
Yeah, I love Bill Maher! A leftist political comedian who's super funny and smokes pot. What's not to like? Lol..
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what i love about him is that he will tell the right wing stuff to their face that nobody else has the balls to say. and they usually do not have a logical reply.

grokit said:
Mr. "go fuck yourself" has been relieved of duty and suspended indefinitely :clap:
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good to hear.

something someone just told me. "40% of our nations police force has a history of domestic violence within their household". this tells us something.

now i dont normally like to claim this shit w/out some sort of literature, but i really trust my source. of course this person could be incorrect and if so i apologize to all... but its prolly pretty damn close if not dead accurate.

i will look for something on it when i get my lunch break today.
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

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olivianewtonjohn said:
Not a big fan of Bill Maher (especially as of late) but hes right once and awhile lol

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Bill Maher never disappoints. He is one if my fav comedians. I love him. I watch him faithfully on HBO, he's a fellow cannabis enthusiast who actually uses a vaporizer. A very good informative show as well as funny and entertaining.
 
tuk

tuk

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2clicker said:
something someone just told me. "40% of our nations police force has a history of domestic violence within their household". this tells us something.

now i dont normally like to claim this shit w/out some sort of literature, but i really trust my source. of course this person could be incorrect and if so i apologize to all... but its prolly pretty damn close if not dead accurate.
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I can see the uniform being a draw for certain dysfunctional personality types.

I wonder to what degree they screen for this...if at all.

Two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence, in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.

Sources:
P.H. Neidig, H.E. Russell, & A.F. Seng, Interspousal aggression in law enforcement families: A preliminary investigation.Police Studies, Vol. 15 (1), p. 30-38 (1992); L.B. Johnson,
On the front lines: Police stress and family well-being.

Hearing before the Select Committee on Children, Youth, and Families House of Representatives: 102 Congress First Session May20 (p. 32-48). Washington DC: US GovernmentPrinting Office (19
91); M. Straus & R. Gelles,Physical violence in American fami-lies - risk factors and adaptations to violence in 8,145 families. New Brunswick, NJ: Transaction Publishers (1990).

A third study of older and more experienced officers found a rate of 24%, indicating that domestic violence is 2-4 timesmore common among police families than American families in general. P.H. Neidig, A.F. S
eng, and H.E. Russell, "Interspousal Aggression in Law Enforcement Personnel Attending the FOP Biennial Conference," National FOP Journal. Fall/Winter 1992, 25-28. Similarly disproportionately
high rates of DV occur in military households

http://nwnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Incite-Police-Violence-Domestic-Violence.pdf
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olivianewtonjohn

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Chill Dude said:
Yeah, I love Bill Maher! A leftist political comedian who's super funny and smokes pot. What's not to like? Lol..
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His opinion on foreign policy leaves alot to be desired (Gaza, drones) and his near blind support for Obama leaves alot to be desired as well. I do watch his show weekly

PM me if youd like to talk about those issues, dont want to get this thread off course just wanted to clarify what I dont like.

RUDE BOY said:
I know in the area i live in that there have always been a couple small town police departments that hire people who were turned down by state, county or the larger city PDs Due to failing psych examinations.
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Give them a badge and gun, what could possibly go wrong.
 
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