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2clicker

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Yeah that link doesn't work for me. What site is it hosted on?

@2clicker my brother broke his arm in 3 places when we were playing as kids. Required surgery and a titanium pin being put in his arm. Honest to god, after he fell, we both stared at his severely broken arm then discussed what we were going to tell our parents... all before the endorphins and adrenaline wore off and he started screaming in pain.

Must have been a good 20 minutes that passed between the break and the majority of the pain.

He was 8 years old at the time, and he never bled.

good point about the bleeding except if he was hit in the face (not arm) its much more likely that he was cut. the skin in that spot is VERY vulnerable to breaking. especially if it was so "vicious". head injuries bleed LOTS. arm injuries not so much. not the same at all.

besides the officer was on the scene for hours before receiving any medical attention. so by your reasoning the pain would have easily kicked in before this time.
 
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I hope at the end of all this, dashboard and body cameras are mandated for all police forces.


Does anybody find it weird that we (The US) backed both Bin laden and Hussein.....To have Bin laden attack us.....Then to use the fear from that to invade Iraq..... Where the leftover military gear is used against us.....By ISIS there......By local and fed depts. here.....Quash our rights in the name of fear
 

Caligula

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@2clicker

It seems like quite a lot of presumptions are being made on your part there.

My point was that an 8 year old boy, playing in a park, was able to function pain free for quite a while even though his forearm was in the shape of a W.

Given that, do you really think there's no way a physically fit, professional adult may be able to continue to do his duties for a few hours after being (presumably) assaulted and having killed another human being? Pretty sure the situation there would call for a much stronger physiological response from the cops body than that of my brother.

Does the fact that ocular fractures can have a myriad of degrees of severity, pain, and physical symptoms matter here?

I think so.

I'd also like to point out that while I've never broken a bone myself, I've had two black eyes in my life. Not once did I bleed after I got hit in the face during those times (airbag and a fist respectively).

Edit: Again I'm not saying this report is 100% verified and true, but it seems at least plausible.
 
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@2clicker

It seems like quite a lot of presumptions are being made on your part there.

My point was that an 8 year old boy, playing in a park, was able to function pain free for quite a while even though his forearm was in the shape of a W.

Given that, do you really think there's no way a physically fit, professional adult may be able to continue to do his duties for a few hours after being (presumably) assaulted and having killed another human being? Pretty sure the situation there would call for a much stronger physiological response from the cops body than that of my brother.

Does the fact that ocular fractures can have a myriad of degrees of severity, pain, and physical symptoms matter here?

I think so.

I'd also like to point out that while I've never broken a bone myself, I've had two black eyes in my life. Not once did I bleed after I got hit in the face during those times (airbag and a fist respectively).

Edit: Again I'm not saying this report is 100% verified and true, but it seems at least plausible.

it could be totally true. no denying that, but the police arent doing a very good job of telling their story. and look very suspicious in this whole ordeal.

and now we know they lied/spun the "robbery"... so is it that hard to believe that this injury could also be a lie?

yes you can get a black eye w/out the skin breaking. but common sense tells me that if the strike was hard enough to crack the skull, that it is HIGHLY likely the skin broke. or it never happened at all.

in your case you didnt mention if your skull was fractured. i see that as the difference. im sure there have been cases of fractures like this w/out the skin breaking, but not likely.

alos, if he was hurt then the dept would have MADE him get checked out at the scene. for concussions especially. this is pretty standard practice for police.

their shit just doesnt add up to me. their story sound fabricated.



there is def a way. there was also a way this physically fit professional adult could have subdued MB using other methods.
 
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"It’s difficult to view citizens as partners when you’re looking at them through a Kevlar helmet and a riot shield – or when you have failed to build a culture of trust and then you add military equipment and tactics to a combustible mix of racial discrimination and little police accountability. This explosive combination makes policing significantly less effective, and dramatically less safe for everybody.

It’s no wonder so many cops – like some of those in Ferguson, Missouri – view their own community as the enemy when they spend their time geared for combat. It’s no wonder why they, in return, are viewed as an occupying force.

I was the city police chief during 1999’s so-called “Battle in Seattle,” the clash between anti-globalization protesters and my police officers. I realize now that the way we looked – and the way we behaved – provoked and exacerbated the violence. My decision to authorize the use of so-called “hard gear” (black uniforms with ballistic helmets and face shields, and the use of chemical agents) in our interactions with nonviolent, nonthreatening World Trade Organization demonstrators heightened tensions and put everyone – cops and citizens – at greater risk. The militarization of the WTO protests did untold damage to our efforts to build a positive, trusting partnership with our community."

Somebody please, serve a drink to the former police chief of Seattle.
Those are true words of wisdom.
 

Chill Dude

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It's fair to bring up that point, however looking at some of the sources used by others in their posts, I'd say part for the course just in a different direction.

Assuming this report is true, do you not think it's rather important information?
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Yes I do, but I don't think it's a game changer as you say. For the sake of argument, say he not only punched the cop in the face, but pulled his hair and kicked him in the nuts, I don't think lethal force is warranted if the police officer was not in immediate danger at the time he fired said shots. I think the game changer would be any facts that help in determining how far away the cop was to the victim when the lethal shots were fired. Less than 5 feet and he was charged perhaps lethal force is justified. More than 5 feet then I'd say that's inappropriate use of force.
 
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grokit

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Again with the Gaza analogy?

@grokit I believe we have had this same conversation but in the reverse. More than once. I mean, how many times have you quoted NaturalNews and it's affiliated blogs in various other posts?

Just wanted to point that out.

Regardless, I'm not defending the source. I'm simply saying that if true, this is game changing information. Thankfully though, this will be much easier to prove than say, how fluoridated water causes ADHD or what have you.
The Gaza analogy is totally appropriate, esp when they are both using chemical munitions against women, children and reporters that are outlawed according the geneva conventions even in times of war.

In fact I'll repeat the only other time I referenced gaza:
Twitter users in #Gaza were tweeting tips to people in #Ferguson on how to deal with being tear gassed.

Think about that for a minute :uhh::worms::disgust:

And I have not quoted/referenced the natural news site or blogs once in this thread, certainly not in my last 10 posts (I checked). Although I did once reference a daily kos article.
 
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Yes I do, but I don't think it's a game changer as you say. For the sake of argument, say he not only punched the cop in the face, but pulled his hair and kicked him in the nuts, I don't think lethal force is warranted if the police officer was not in immediate danger at the time he fired said shots. I think the game changer would be any facts that help in determining how far away the cop was to the victim when the lethal shots were fired. Less than 5 feet and he was charged perhaps lethal force is justified. More than 5 feet then I'd say that's inappropriate use of force.

That's a valid opinion regarding appropriate use of deadly force. However, if it plays out that Brown broke the cops face, then charged at him like alleged, it will be rather difficult to prosecute the officer for criminal conduct... e.g. "game changer".

@grokit you didn't have to reference natural news in this specific thread for my point to have validity. The hypocrisy is still there.

Also, I'm not going to further argue about improper analogies here. As I said last time, the Gaza thread got shut down for a good reason. We should strive to avoid that this time around.
 
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2clicker

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That's a valid opinion regarding appropriate use of deadly force. However, if it plays out that Brown broke the cops face, then charged at him it will be rather difficult to prosecute the officer for criminal conduct.

no doubt about it. if thats the case then MB made some really bad decisions that wound up getting him killed. that would def be on MB.

just hard to believe LE IMO
 

Chill Dude

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That's a valid opinion regarding appropriate use of deadly force. However, if it plays out that Brown broke the cops face, then charged at him like alleged, it will be rather difficult to prosecute the officer for criminal conduct... e.g. "game changer".

Absolutely
 
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@2clicker I agree. Falls in line what my whole narrative though. A solid case can be made for all parties to exaggerate or even outright lie.

MB isn't getting any deader and the officer involved most likely isn't going to run off to Mexico under the cover of darkness. The best thing to do is wait for solid information to come in... even if it's information we don't want to hear.

IMO the absolute worst thing we can do is rush to "get justice". Justice needs to run its course on its own time.
 

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@grokit you didn't have to reference natural news in this specific thread for my point to have validity. The hypocrisy is still there.
Wtf are you even talking about? That you mixed up my references so I'm somehow hypocritical because of an article I posted in a completely different thread, in a completely different context?

Try looking in the mirror for hypocrisy :rolleyes:
 
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You do know that The Gateway Pundit is an extreme right wing organization right? They are frequently quoted by Rush and Sean Hannity and those sorts. I'm not saying that the reporting is false, but it's certainly not an organization one would consider fair and balanced in their reporting. He'll, they might even see Rush as a liberal LOL. Just saying.

I feel you on your point here so I did more digging. Now I'm far from a fan of Fox News, however I think you may agree it's a better source than a right wing political blog.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/2...en-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/

@grokit my point is that you live in a glass house regarding citing information from questionable sources. I'd say it's somewhat hypocritical of you to question the validity of a news report based on the website it came from. You dont agree?
 

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@2clicker I agree. Falls in line what my whole narrative though. A solid case can be made for all parties to exaggerate or even outright lie.

MB isn't getting any deader and the officer involved most likely isn't going to run off to Mexico under the cover of darkness. The best thing to do is wait for solid information to come in... even if it's information we don't want to hear.

IMO the absolute worst thing we can do is rush to "get justice". Justice needs to run its course on its own time.
I think you have a point to wait for more information on this but I can't fault people for peaceful protesting. Without pressure who knows what would happen I am sure there are plenty of other cases with questionable circumstances that never get the attention they deserve.

Being that we agree on waiting. How do you feel about this departments actions against the protesters and media? I admittedly haven't paid very close attention to this thread but I don't think i have seen you really talk about those allegations. Trying to understand the reasoning
 

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just hard to believe LE IMO

Seems unlikely eye witnesses would go on national TV and tell the same lie.

LE on the other hand have a track record of doing exactly that.

Fox News, however I think you may agree it's a better source than a right wing political blog.

....a source close to the Police Department's top brass told FoxNews.com.

Not much between them tbh...
 

grokit

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Ferguson Police’s PR Stunt Poisons Independent and Impartial Investigation

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According to eyewitness accounts, Mike Brown was walking in the street several blocks away from the convenience store where he is accused of stealing a package of swisher sweets, when officer Darren Wilson drove up on him and a friend for walking in the road, and Mike and his friend ran. Officer Wilson then sped up from behind Mike Brown, pulling up next to him and throwing the door open to get out with his gun drawn. Officer Wilson then immediately fired one or two shots in the moments before or as he was getting out of the car, hitting Mike Brown in the back .

At that point Mike Brown turned and fell to his knees with his hands raised and begged several times, “please don’t shoot me.” Officer Wilson continued to approach Brown and fire 4 shots at Mike Brown who was then kneeling with his hands up pleading for his life, Brown then collapsed. Officer Wilson took a step closer, looking down on Mikes body, and fired 4 more shots. An estimated total of 9 or 10 shots were fired.

Mike Browns body was then left in a pool of his own blood (as seen in the photo below) for over 2 hours. The St Louis county police dispatch recording revealed that they were un-aware of the shooting incident in Ferguson outside of a report they saw on the media, meaning it had not been called in or relayed to them through other channels. An ambulance was not called for Mike Brown, and his lifeless body was loaded into the back of an SUV instead.

Friday August 15th, 6 days following the shooting of Mike Brown, a decision was made and the Ferguson Police Chief revealed the name of the person they say is the Officer involved in the shooting: Darren Wilson. Ferguson’s Police Chief also stated Officer Darren Wilson had taken his family and left the area days earlier to an undisclosed location.

The NYT reports that Darren Wilson is 28, has roots in Texas, currently lives with Barbara Spradling, also a police officer in the town of Crestwood, southwest of St. Louis, according to interviews and property records. NYT reports that Wilson has worked for Ferguson Police Department for 4 years and before that, he worked in the police department in Jennings, a neighboring suburb.

The Ferguson Police Department press release also disclosed edited surveillance camera footage from the store where the robbery Mike Brown was allegedly involved in had occurred and a damning police report of the robbery incident. They did not release the police report of the shooting incident.

Several stills were also released through media outlets. Undeniably the most aggressive stills in the short video clip were taken rather than ones that could be used for proper identification, which are abundant in comparison. This media release was then slung in the glorious fashion that only the American main stream media can use for the next several hours, all the while tying the shooting of Mike Brown to the robbery.

It wasn’t till several hours later in a separate press statement that the Chief made it a point to say that Officer Wilson was un-aware of the robbery incident that Mike Brown was allegedly involved in 10 minutes before when he approached him for ‘jaywalking’ or walking in the street. This could become a crucial piece of evidence regarding Darren Wilson’s motive should a criminal investigation ever begin.

Mike Brown’s shooting was live tweeted by a man in the neighboring house. Among the several more revealing tweets “I JUST SAW SOMEONE DIE OMFG” “dude was running and the cops just shot.him. i saw him die bruh” ”


@grokit my point is that you live in a glass house regarding citing information from questionable sources. I'd say it's somewhat hypocritical of you to question the validity of a news report based on the website it came from. You dont agree?
I don't agree that whatever you're talking about has anything to do with this discussion, in this thread.

And at what point did I "question the validity of a news report based on the website it came from" ?

It's like you're just making stuff up at this point. All I said was that the ny post wasn't much better than a source you agreed was full of right-wing bias. Quit putting words in my mouth!
 
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@2clicker I agree. Falls in line what my whole narrative though. A solid case can be made for all parties to exaggerate or even outright lie.

MB isn't getting any deader and the officer involved most likely isn't going to run off to Mexico under the cover of darkness. The best thing to do is wait for solid information to come in... even if it's information we don't want to hear.

IMO the absolute worst thing we can do is rush to "get justice". Justice needs to run its course on its own time.

i get your points. i just have many reasons not to believe their bullshit.

I think you have a point to wait for more information on this but I can't fault people for peaceful protesting. Without pressure who knows what would happen I am sure there are plenty of other cases with questionable circumstances that never get the attention they deserve.

yep


LE on the other hand have a track record of doing exactly that.

yep
 

grokit

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i get your points. i just have many reasons not to believe their bullshit.

You are not alone. 87% of america has lost trust in its government.


Here's some more on the gaza analogy, pretty damn appropriate imo:

Tear gas not the only thing connecting Ferguson and Palestine
The tear gas used by the police in Ferguson, Missouri and the Israeli military in the West Bank is only one of several factors that connects the violence against unarmed youth in both communities.


A child holds a spent tear gas cartridge labeled “Made in U.S.A.” as Bethlehem-area activists displayed U.S.-made crowd control weapons in Manger Square, West Bank, December 2, 2013. (photo: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org)

The New York Times’ Robert Mackey recently tweeted a photo of the tear gas cartridges found on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, where police have been using the weapon against demonstrators angry at the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager. Both the cartridge and the tactics looked very familiar, and for good reason.

Jamestown, PA’s CTS brand tear gas fired in #Ferguson tonight https://t.co/XwMO3tBuDp in the West Bank last week https://t.co/XNWlEDvqFF
— Robert Mackey (@RobertMackey) August 18, 2014

A different tweet noted that the same brand of tear gas was used in Egypt’s Tahrir Square. As reported here last December, those shining shell casings, as well as the rubber-ball variety and spent stun grenades made by the same company, had decorated a tree in Bethlehem’s Manger Square at Christmastime as activists gathered those used by the Israeli military less than two kilometers away in Aida Refugee Camp and displayed them for holiday tourists.


A sign hung by activists on a tree in Bethlehem’s Manger Square among used tear gas and stun grenades reads, “This is the USAid to the Palestinians.” (photo: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org)

As I wrote at the time:

Most of the crowd control weapons deployed by the Israeli military against Palestinians are part of the Combined Tactical Systems (CTS) product line made by a US company, Combined Systems Inc. (CSI). Pick up a used tear gas cartridge or concussion grenade at any demonstration, and you’re likely to find the initials “CTS” stamped on them somewhere (though the rest of the labeling is typically in Hebrew). But during recent clashes in Aida Camp, Israeli forces have been leaving behind cartridges labeled completely in English. These labels contain complete CTS contact information, including the Pennsylvania mailing address, telephone, and fax numbers. They also bear that proud slogan, “Made in U.S.A.”


A spent tear gas cartridge lies on the ground near Aida Refugee Camp following clashes between Palestinian youth and Israeli forces, Bethlehem, West Bank, November 29, 2013. The cartridge, made by the U.S. company Combined Tactical Systems (CTS) is labeled with full contact information and the company’s U.S. address in Jamestown, Pennsylvania. (photo: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org)

But aside from the gas choking Ferguson’s residents, there’s another connection: Like many U.S. police officials, St. Louis County Police Chief Timothy Fitch received “counter-terrorism” training in Israel. It’s a neat exchange: The U.S. provides the weapons, Israel provides advice on how to use them. As The Washington Post reported in 2005:

They are briefing not only big-city cops but county sheriffs and police chiefs from such diverse locations as Gaithersburg and Knoxville, Tenn. In addition, since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, agents from the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives along with police officials, sheriffs and bomb technicians have been traveling to Israel for week-long lessons on terrorism.

I’m sure they meant “lessons on anti-terrorism.”

The profound security lessons from these trips have manifested in U.S. cities like Washington, DC, where “[then-Police Chief Charles] Ramsey ordered his officers to keep their red and blue roof lights flashing all the time to be more visible — something he picked up when he [and other officials] went on a ride-along with the Jerusalem police two years ago.”


Marchers clogged the streets of downtown Washington, D.C., in a protest against Israel’s offensive in Gaza, August 2, 2014. Like many U.S. city police departments, D.C.’s has received Israeli training. (photo: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org)

One of the few positive connections resulting from the police violence in Ferguson has been the creation of new solidarity linkages, as those on the receiving end of U.S.-Israeli “security” cooperation offered their own exchange of tactics. As Palestinian-American comedian Amer Zahr writes:

As black Americans filled the streets of Ferguson to decry what they saw as the unjustified killing of one of their young men, they were met by an over-militarized police presence looking to crush them. Sound familiar?

Their protests were welcomed with tear gas and rubber bullets. Sound familiar?

Well, it sounds familiar to us, so familiar that many Palestinians took to Twitter to advise their American counterparts in Ferguson on how to deal with such attacks. We saw tweets like, “Remember to not touch your face when tear-gassed or put water on it.” And, “Always make sure to run against the wind /to keep calm when you’re teargassed, the pain will pass, don’t rub your eyes!” And my personal favorite, “Don’t keep much distance from the police, if you’re close to them they can’t tear gas.” Yes, we Palestinians are very creative when it comes to anti-anti-protesting. We are professional protestors.


A Palestinian youth with a gas mask grabs a tear gas grenade fired by Israeli forces during clashes in the West Bank town of Bethlehem protesting Israeli attacks on Gaza, November 20, 2012. (photo: Ryan Rodrick Beiler/Activestills.org)

Related:
PHOTOS: This tear gas brought to you by the U.S.A.
The West Bank may be on the verge of exploding
 
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Caligula

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Totally the same thing. I completely agree with you, and we should now drop the subject and never speak of it again.

I think you have a point to wait for more information on this but I can't fault people for peaceful protesting. Without pressure who knows what would happen I am sure there are plenty of other cases with questionable circumstances that never get the attention they deserve.

Being that we agree on waiting. How do you feel about this departments actions against the protesters and media? I admittedly haven't paid very close attention to this thread but I don't think i have seen you really talk about those allegations. Trying to understand the reasoning

Oops, sorry I missed your reply.

Good questions and Ill be the first to admit I haven't followed that aspect as closely. What I can tell you though, is that people 100% have the right to peacefully protest. Sadly, it seems there have been agitators from outside the community which have been the source of a lot of the violent unrest. To me, at appeared that the police were too heavy handed in using blanket enforcement at the start, but progressed to dealing some decisive whompings to this minority group of agitators later on.


edit: @Chill Dude @tuk It looks like it's moving up the news food chain:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-shooting-grand-jury-decide-october-charge-cop/story?id=25047905

You also have a lot of smaller local stations reporting it:

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/0...wn---had-serious-facial-injury-source-sa.html


And I found this while searching. Its obviously majorly biased, but they bring up a good point about the NYT article:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/08/20/way-to-bury-a-major-ferguson-lead-new-york-times/
 
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To me, at appeared that the police were too heavy handed in using blanket enforcement at the start, but progressed to dealing some decisive whompings to this minority group of agitators later on

they have been gassing, shooting rubber, and forcing people to evacuate their assembly/reporting to innocents and media every night up until last night from what ive seen.

you are right about the agitators being the minority here. the peaceful protestors heavily outweigh the others. but 95% of the white people i talk to think the whole community is full of bad people.

fucking depressing to say the least.

i am considering joining the protests this weekend if they are still happening. the more white support the better IMO. these are my neighbors afterall. about a 10 min drive from my place. i will have a gas mask with me.
 
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you are right about the agitators being the minority here. the peaceful protestors heavily outweigh the others. but 95% of the white people i talk to think the whole community is full of bad people.

And in Bizzaro world:

2clicker said:
you are right about the agitators bad cops being the minority here. the peaceful protestors good cops heavily outweigh the others. but 95% of the white people people on the internet i talk to think the whole community LE organization is full of bad people.

;)

2clicker said:
they have been gassing, shooting rubber, and forcing people to evacuate their assembly/reporting to innocents and media every night up until last night from what ive seen.

I realize this, which is why Ive been doing a lot of reading into these reports since the question was raised by @olivianewtonjohn

Found this:

http://thefederalist.com/2014/08/18/reporter-thought-earplugs-were-rubber-bullets-does-it-matter/

The article poses a good question. Even thought it was probably an honest mistake by a fatigued reporter, how many of us are taking these tweets and IG posts, and whatever else @ face value without looking into things further? Makes things not as cut and dry as they may seem, but Ill keep digging.

Anyway, Ill part here with my favorite quote of the day:

"Many Americans are interested in everything happening in Ferguson. We want to know facts about the shooting, facts about the community response to the shooting, facts about the riots and vandalism that took place, facts about the militaristic response of police units. We need to be able to trust the media to report on the facts of the case. Being on the ground is important, but so is getting the facts right and getting the facts out without too much sensationalism or agenda-driving."

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i am considering joining the protests this weekend if they are still happening. the more white support the better IMO. these are my neighbors afterall. about a 10 min drive from my place. i will have a gas mask with me.

Quite honestly, I think that the less outsiders that are in that community, the better. I cant see how adding outside protesters is going to help rather than hinder at this point. It seems like it would only serve to exacerbate an already bad situation. Its not like every major media outlet (and every minor one) isn't already covering the situation with an electron microscope.

Of course that's just like, my opinion. Man.
 
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It only cites 'A source close to Wilson'. I'll say it again, why not release a picture or the hospital he went to for his 'serious facial injury'? It would give it some validity. I can see pictures of the dead human in the street.

According to other reports they have 'solid evidence' that there was a scuffle in the car. They are keeping all evidence for the grand jury. Could be interesting......

Then it says, 'There was no spin agenda for releasing the robbery tape'.
 
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And in Bizzaro world:;)

your right that is bizzar.


Quite honestly, I think that the less outsiders that are in that community, the better. I cant see how adding outside protesters is going to help rather than hinder at this point. It seems like it would only serve to exacerbate an already bad situation. Its not like every major media outlet (and every minor one) isn't already covering the situation with an electron microscope.

Of course that's just like, my opinion. Man.

im not an outsider. again this is ten minutes from my place. this IS my community. you ever been to STL?

and we will just have to agree to disagree that having more white people show support will be a negative thing. i mean somebodys gotta represent white people in a civil manor. the police sure as fuck arent doing it.
 

grokit

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i am considering joining the protests this weekend if they are still happening. the more white support the better IMO. these are my neighbors afterall. about a 10 min drive from my place. i will have a gas mask with me.
we will just have to agree to disagree that having more white people show support will be a negative thing. i mean somebodys gotta represent white people in a civil manor. the police sure as fuck arent doing it.

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If you go be careful...

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And be sure to represent :peace:
 
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