The Healhiest way to Vaporize in 2011 ?

[GoGlass]

Hello to everyone,


OK First Happy new Year to all FC Users. Now we are in 2011, there are so many kinds of vaporizers around, i think it's time to make a point of the Healthiest way to vaporize.

I know that vaporisation is not 100% safe, but i think it's always interesting to know the safest way.

And i really need your advices & your points of view !!!

There is also an interesting thread at http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=1999&p=1 about healthiness of vapes, but i hope this one will be more 'global'.





So Let's debate about the 4 mains parts of the vaporization and how safe they are :





1 ==> THE HEATING ELEMENT <== :

Ceramic / Glass (like Vriptech) / Light (Halogen/LED) / Slicon Carbide (like VaporGenie) / Infrared (like the Oracle).

The vriptech VHW seems to be often named, but do you think it's the healtiest? And What about other processes ? Tell me your thoughts.



2 ==> VAPORISATION TEMPERATURE <== :

There is a lot of infos here at FC about Temperatures Vaporisation and their effects. But nothing about the harmfulness of Temps.

At what temperature the vapor become REALLY harmful/nocive or begin to release pyrolytic products ? Got an idea ?

StoneMonkey says that when the vapor is white (under fluorescent light), there is benzene inside (not really good). The vapor must be 'blue' clear.... What do you think of that ?

Where is the frontier between vaporisation and combustion ? Does this frontier exist exactly ?




3 ==> THE ENTIRE AIR PATH <== :

Some vaporizers like the ExtremeQ (i have one) seems to have an air path not very 'serious' : the air passes on plastic, metal, cables,
before touching herbs. I imagine that Arizer company will tell something like "Don't be scared, at these temps, there is no problems, etc ...."

So What do you think of these path? Do you know paths more direct on other vapes ?
Of course, models like The Cloud seems to be promising.

And at the end of the path, do you think Bags are safers than whip ?




4 ==> WATER FILTRATION <==

Ok last and big part here.
Like of all of you (i think), after 4 days of vaping, i have this sticky particles on my vapes/elbow, etc... :

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Always astonishing, when we know that the vapor has already travelled through a screen with very thin holes .....

So the first BIG question i'am asking is : all this 'resin' should be filtered at maximum or should i inhale it at maximum ?!

Or should i collect it AND smoking/cooking/eating,etc..it, like people do on other threads ? ( see http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=975&p=1=)

At first view, i think it will probably not good to get this sticked to my lungs...
But some people says it's ok (see the link at the top), it's only the condensation of the THC on the glass, and not harmful for us.

If i choose to go to the way of 'maximum filtration', i have to choose a piece like ""multiple stages levels bongs with percs/pillar/waffle/dome, etc.....""
and damm, all these new systems seems to filter very well, but i am wondering if too much filtration can reducts effects.

I have read the famous thread (and the study) of effect of water filtration on THC (see http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=508), but the conclusion "Water filters out more THC than it does Tar" is not very interesting. The study compares Vaporisation with smoke. But Vaporisation doesn't produce TAR, so yes maybe waters filters THC, but how many % of THC is LOST BY COMBUSTION ?????!!! So this study is not very informative....

I have a little sensation that for the same amount of weed, i feel much effect/higher with bag or whip, than if i take the same amount of vapor filtered with my 2 stages glass bong.
What is your feeling ? My throat prefers the cooled down & moisten filtered vapor, but my brain prefers the not filtered straght vapor ..... grrrr .....

So yo have understand my question : can too much filtration can decrease the potency of the vapor ?





Wow ! If you have read all this, i think you are interesting and we can discuss ! I will wait for your comments & opinions ....

 

[Nycdeisel]

Many people do report different highs when using water diffusion and when not. Reporting a more heady, THC filled high after having it passed through water. However. water ALSO filters out the particulate matter, and pretty much EVERY vaporizer will let some amount of particulate plant matter through the screen, that, without water filtration, would go into your body, and could irritate your lungs. Water serves another functional, valid purpose of moisturizing the very dry vapor, which could also irritate ones throat.

Now that the water filtration does not apply to EVERY vape(though some only work with water pieces, like the VHW and VXHC).

That being said, glass is obviously the best vapor path, no doubt about it, though the AIR PATH, IMO has a bit more leeway because at that point the air is cool, not yet warmed up to vaporizing temperatures, though I do dislike the air path designs on some vaporizers, like the VB which pulls the air through the bottom and past all the electrical components.

 

[VaporNation]

Keep your temps LOW!

 

[Egzoset]

If you've followed my "fantasy" thread you should be aware by now that i consider Induction Heating needs to be explored seriously, self-regulated temperatures up to 204C (and way beyond) can be provided. The absence of power leads should simply the design of healthy air paths. As for water filtration, i don't see why not.

 

[djonkoman]

I think I would like some water filtration, my VG can give me a little irritated throat, especially when I have a cold anmd my throat is already a bit sore
but for now this works and the health aspect isn't the reason I vape, it's just a nice side-effect

 

[PhishCactus]

I thoroughly enjoyed your post, very informative, the cloud does seem to poses a large amount of the above prime traits of a healthy vaporizer, ie. all glass air path, ceramic heating, automatically water filtered, no tubing, upon its release, who knows...maybe it will indeed be named the most healthy vaporizer for "medical" use, just like the volcano once was...once.

 

[Vamp]

Basically any heating element and vapor path are going to be safe so long as you do not exceed the vaporization temperature (boiling point) of the material used. Any reputable company is going to use safe materials such as high temperature plastics to ensure no fumes are given off.

As for water filtration, it is just an effective means of cooling your vapor, and to a lesser extent a good way to slow down your vapor so it more effectively fills a chamber.

There's probably some safety to be had by keeping a close eye on your temperature. If the temperature fluctuates too high, you're liable to start combusting.

 

[GoGlass]

Thanks for your replies.

Everybody seems ok that the FULL GLASS air path is the best (IMO also).

For the temperature, i think people like me who have left tobacco + combustion AND started to vaporize AT THE SAME TIME, may vaporize just a bit too hot (200/210C on my ExtremeQ V4.0).
Just for having thick cloud, like was smoke in old days ......

But now i'am ok, and i'am gonna try to reduce temp, with smaller clouds, but with more 'real' vapor ?!



The heating element is always subject to discuss ...


Egzoset your fantasy thread is so interesting, full of cogitations, hope that the perfect vape will exist !!!!

And for water filtration, come on boys & girls, i want YOUR personal feeling.
Tell me about effects : more/less/or different high for you.
Do you think too much satge of filtration can affect the potency of the vapor ?

Nycdeisel do you feel more high without water filtration ?

 

[lwien]

And for water filtration, come on boys & girls, i want YOUR personal feeling.
Tell me about effects : more/less/or different high for you.
Do you think too much satge of filtration can affect the potency of the vapor ?

I use water filtration all the time, but I don't use it too cool the vapor, but rather to add moisture. I use hot water and it has provided GREAT results for me for it seems to allow my lungs to more effectively process what I am putting into them.

 

[Egzoset]

I'm glad you liked my cogitations GoGlass but the initial intent was to collect those of anyone who felt like posting there so i can build even further on them, which means you're invited too: it can't hurt, it's only a fantasy after all...

Now, i'd like to add that the search for "purity" implies more than one criteria, it's not just about health. GonG air paths would provide neutrality in terms of smell and taste, although as a future vaporist i can only imagine this i'm pretty sure that glass is absolutely inert. What i mean i that it's not enough for today's "educated" consumers to buy a vaporizer which will get them "high" without threatening their health: secondary features such as smell and taste are important too, even if that's not a matter of health. Besides glass water is another neutral "material" from which to build, if you've really been through my fantasy thread then you must have read that i came to consider WaterFall/Gravity bongs as an improved replacement for bags because their fixed surfaces can be made of glass while their changing (variable) surface is made of water - leading (ideally) to a cleaner equivalent of the traditional bag but with optimized condensation surface (not to mention such a bong can double as a water filter!)... Such "technology" exists, it's here with us today and it could have been put to good use many decades ago!

 

[rtwoite]

I think glass is the best because it is inert, but you sacrifice "sturdiness". Something else that should be considered is a heating element which can be cleaned. Every year we get out our space heaters and they smell horrible. The heat causes the dust to "burn on" to the element and then it just perpetually emits small amoutns of lung irritating gasses. I have a new one that also is beginning to smell burnt. Smells like a hair dryer or toaster. My vapor brothers eventually began to give off the same smell until I took it upart(hurray for warranties).

The first puff is always harsh for me no matter the strain or quality. I also strongly doubt that no combustion is taking place even at medium-high temps. A small amount of herb is combusting, its just not enough to create self-sustaining combustion. The only way I can think of to prevent this is to remove from the presence of oxygen or a to use vacuum.

I can smell metal from several feet away, and if I can smell it that means its in the air. So in a perfect world I prefer all glass.

I wish there was an effective way to filter plant waxes, but no. A jay rolled just right seems to filter out the most resin in my experience. I've been wanting to make a little filter out of a plastic piece with bud in it.

 

[Vapsofatso]

I think glass is the best because it is inert, but you sacrifice "sturdiness". Something else that should be considered is a heating element which can be cleaned. Every year we get out our space heaters and they smell horrible. The heat causes the dust to "burn on" to the element and then it just perpetually emits small amoutns of lung irritating gasses.

I think my V-tower has got this same problem, it smells if it''s hot. You got any tips for me before I take my V-tower apart to clean it?

 

[Elluzion]

I think that in terms of overall healthiest vaporizer, MFLB. Short vapor path, wood = fend off bacteria, simple, steel mesh don't even get very hot, pure vaopr

 

[elmomuzz]

It takes more then a glass air path to make a vape healthy. It will be hard to find a vape that is safer then a Volcano.

 

[djonkoman]

smell metal from several feet? you must have a good nose, I never even smelled metal...(altough I'm on the other side of the spectrum, I don't smell much)
similar to a friend of me who smells mushrooms from several metres away(he has a phobia for mushrooms), while I've never even smelled a single mushroom
how does wood fend off bacteria btw?

 

[StickyShisha2]

especially in the winter, i find hot dry vapor irritates my throat and lungs. Keeping a room humidifier running where you vape does help. lately I've been vaping in the steam room.

for those vaping through hot water, as I'm known to do from time to time, look out for chlorine and other chemicals that may be in your water.

 

[rtwoite]

I think glass is the best because it is inert, but you sacrifice "sturdiness". Something else that should be considered is a heating element which can be cleaned. Every year we get out our space heaters and they smell horrible. The heat causes the dust to "burn on" to the element and then it just perpetually emits small amoutns of lung irritating gasses.

I think my V-tower has got this same problem, it smells if it''s hot. You got any tips for me before I take my V-tower apart to clean it?

When I put it back together it smelled worse. I soaked the glass parts in everclear and wiped down the ceramic heating element with everclear. There were rainbow-esque stains on the glass that took 20 or so minutes to fully dissolve. The fogged glass portion of the whip still retains a brownish color. I doubt that will ever come off.

 

[tonuzzi]

And for water filtration, come on boys & girls, i want YOUR personal feeling.
Tell me about effects : more/less/or different high for you.
Do you think too much satge of filtration can affect the potency of the vapor ?

I use water filtration all the time, but I don't use it too cool the vapor, but rather to add moisture. I use hot water and it has provided GREAT results for me for it seems to allow my lungs to more effectively process what I am putting into them.

Thanks for the tip Iwien, I tried the hot water in my bong and had great results also!!

 

[smellgood]

I want to buy a safe vapo and I think the glass one are the best. But the heating element even in ceramic make me think it could be safer.
The MFLB seems to be a good one : everething is safe...
except the plexi cover!
A question to all MFLB users; what do you think about this :

On wikipedia PMMA (acrylic) melting point is 160 C and boiling point 200C. (On french wikipedia (because I am french) melting point is 140C and boiling point is 200C !)
So the screen goes to 180-200C which is good for what we want : vaporizing.
But the acrylic cover could let us inhale some toxic gaz!

Could it be possible to replace the plexi cover by a pyrex one (hard glass), much safer?
I would like to have the option to buy a pyrex cover with my MFLB!
I mailed magic box and didn't receive any answer yet.

 

[aesthyrian]

Like everyone has said in the MFLB thread, the cover is of little to no concern. It never gets hot to the touch and if you reach the temps you listed above then you would most likely be combusting in your MFLB anyway.

 

[JDSupreme]

Like everyone has said in the MFLB thread, the cover is of little to no concern. It never gets hot to the touch and if you reach the temps you listed above then you would most likely be combusting in your MFLB anyway.

 

[GoGlass]

Hey thanks for your replies.

After all these posts i had an idea : i connected my vaporgenie glass TOP PIECE (the piece who transform the flame of the lighter into heat) directly in the downstem of my regular 2-levels glass bong. It fits perfectly ! So i add a screen in the downstem and ..... well i have a vaporgenie glass with water filtration !!!!!!!

PROS : No Electricity Need, very easy to Clean (only the Bong+DownStem !), portable, ALL GLASS PATH !!!

CONS : Purists can tell that i inhale gaz but i don't think so. I use ONLY torch lighter with blue flame (complete combustion) and the tip of the blue flame don't even touch the vaprogenie top piece.

Real Cons is that it works not very well, not very efficiency. If i use the same setup but with only a silicon tube in my downstem connected to my vaporgenie glass (laid on the table) IT WORKS TEN TIME BETTER (dont know why) !!!!!
For just a little amount of your herb you have A LOT OF toke, i mean A LOT, A LOT, A LOT !!!

It's my new setup for now, i don't use my Extreme anymore !!!!

I 'm gonna make a bowl and i hope improve this, and eliminate the silicon tube + the VG Glass.

I swear that i can't see another solution who can beat this !!! So amazing !!
There some solutions like the VAPOCANE or the "VapeXhale Rain Beta Demo" (look on youtube) but it's always the same scheme : you have to maintain the lighter during a LONG LONG time, and you have a very bad control on the temperature.....

Waou !!! I love vaping......