the Goods and the Bads about Vaping..
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The_Algebraist
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Since I've started to just vape I've saved a not insignificant amount of money. I currently have a PD and SSV. In less than three months the vapes paid for themselves and now I'm just focusing on the PD and am going to let the SSV take a break for a while. I'm expecting the amount of herb saved to increase even more dramatically over the coming months. I am planning on a 1/2 oz to last me somewhere near the 5 to 6 month mark with a daily toke or two or three on the PD.
max
Out to lunch
1-Totally disagree. Most people believe it's other way around. Definitely is for me.Alpha said:
2-Maybe so, but IMO it's not worth mentioning as a negative.
3-Breathing city may cause cancer. Most good name brands are relatively safe with regard to plastic since the material isn't exposed to high enough heat. Even more so for metal and wood. And some vapes that claim 'glass on glass' don't have an all glass vapor path.
4-As Lwien said, not necessarily so.
5-And smoking won't?
I disagree with some of your positives as well:
1.) Slightly less herb used-For some it's a lot less. Some use more vs. smoking (me for one).
3.) 80 percent or more reduction in tar, ash, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, ect-I'd like to know where you got the 80% figure. I can guarantee that percentage doesn't apply equally to all the toxins you listed. And ash? Ash, AFAIK, is the product of combustion, not vaporization.
5.) Longer lasting high-Considering that most people associate the effects of the lethargy producing toxins in smoke (CO, benzene, etc.) to be part of the mj high, which generally outlast the THC high, this statement is highly arguable.
9.) Less mood swings-I certainly haven't found that to be true.
10.) Less chance of panic attack due to the slower onset of the drug-That could be true but I doubt 20-30 seconds or so is the reason.
11.) Less addictive and easier to taper off vs smoking-Cannabis is only psychologically addictive (for some), and I've noticed zero difference in stopping vs. smoking.
Just to add a couple more points-
Positive-
13.) Reduces GERD (Acid Reflux) if you switch from smoking to vaping.
Negative-
6.) Slightly harder to judge dose vs smoking. (vaping has a slower onset)
*Everything listed is my own experience with vaping*. I get couch lock with excessive use or Indica type herbs. I realize everyone has a different experience in this area, so I will leave it at that.
IMO you can't compare a *quality* vap like the herborizer to a vapor genie. Again this is personal opinion.
"Breathing city may cause cancer. Most good name brands are relatively safe with regard to plastic since the material isn't exposed to high enough heat. Even more so for metal and wood. And some vapes that claim 'glass on glass' don't have an all glass vapor path"
I'm not concerned with the heat. As an example, take a look at the Herbal Aire. The Teflon neck piece is exposed to friction every time you take it off. Overtime this friction has worn away the edges of the neck piece and exposed you to harmful flaked off particles. I agree with the glass on glass statement, I wish I could design my own vap :-)
Still, a glass on glass is better vs other options.
" Slightly less herb used-For some it's a lot less. Some use more vs. smoking (me for one)"
This depends on how efficient your vap is. Again, this is my experience.
"80 percent or more reduction in tar, ash, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, ect-I'd like to know where you got the 80% figure. I can guarantee that percentage doesn't apply equally to all the toxins you listed. And ash? Ash, AFAIK, is the product of combustion, not vaporization"
This depends on the amount of heat used. 80% is a good starting estimate in most cases.
"Longer lasting high-Considering that most people associate the effects of the lethargy producing toxins in smoke (CO, benzene, etc.) to be part of the mj high, which generally outlast the THC high, this statement is highly arguable."
Everyone is different. If you expose the herb to less heat then more active compounds are delivered.
Positive-
13.) Reduces GERD (Acid Reflux) if you switch from smoking to vaping.
Negative-
6.) Slightly harder to judge dose vs smoking. (vaping has a slower onset)
*Everything listed is my own experience with vaping*. I get couch lock with excessive use or Indica type herbs. I realize everyone has a different experience in this area, so I will leave it at that.
IMO you can't compare a *quality* vap like the herborizer to a vapor genie. Again this is personal opinion.
"Breathing city may cause cancer. Most good name brands are relatively safe with regard to plastic since the material isn't exposed to high enough heat. Even more so for metal and wood. And some vapes that claim 'glass on glass' don't have an all glass vapor path"
I'm not concerned with the heat. As an example, take a look at the Herbal Aire. The Teflon neck piece is exposed to friction every time you take it off. Overtime this friction has worn away the edges of the neck piece and exposed you to harmful flaked off particles. I agree with the glass on glass statement, I wish I could design my own vap :-)
Still, a glass on glass is better vs other options." Slightly less herb used-For some it's a lot less. Some use more vs. smoking (me for one)"
This depends on how efficient your vap is. Again, this is my experience.
"80 percent or more reduction in tar, ash, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, ect-I'd like to know where you got the 80% figure. I can guarantee that percentage doesn't apply equally to all the toxins you listed. And ash? Ash, AFAIK, is the product of combustion, not vaporization"
This depends on the amount of heat used. 80% is a good starting estimate in most cases.
"Longer lasting high-Considering that most people associate the effects of the lethargy producing toxins in smoke (CO, benzene, etc.) to be part of the mj high, which generally outlast the THC high, this statement is highly arguable."
Everyone is different. If you expose the herb to less heat then more active compounds are delivered.
The_Algebraist
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Damnnnn. That's pretty amazing. It's going to take me some time to cut down my consumption to one stem. A PD session for me is usually two stems, with a stem or two thrown in over the course of the next few hours. I have to throw in a vapor bong session in here and there so my herbal consumption isn't as low as it could be, but certainly SIGNIFICANTLY lower than when I was combusting. Damn man. my herb consumption is 4 times yours. That's actually kinda inspiring to hear how you're able to stretch an eigth that far.lwien said:
NYC delivery is $50 for 2.5 grams. I used to buy 4 or 5 of these a month. Now, I've been able to get 1/2oz for just over $200 so I've been making both small and significant steps in saving $$, being healthier, and conserving herb.
lwien
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When I was using my VaporGenie, my usage over smoking from a glass spoon, was literally cut in half. With the VG, I ended up going thru an 8th in about 2 months. The PD stretched it to 5, and believe me, I'm not trying to conserve weed. I just don't need anymore than one stem in 4 hours. Using top-shelf med grade from the dispensary at 65 an eighth, which is a bit expensive, but considering how long it lasts, it's a no brainer.The_Algebraist said:
The last time I made a purchase was when I was still using the VG exclusively, so I bought a quarter figuring that it would last me about 4 months. I still can't believe how much of it is left in the mason jar. I hardly made a dent in 2 months. I wouldn't have bought a quarter if I thought it was gonna last me almost a year..........lol.
max
Out to lunch
Indica vs. sativa is surely a factor with couchlock, but you have to compare vapor vs. smoke effects for the same type or strain.
A lot of people feel differently. Vaporization is a simple process. In a lot of cases the simple vape (Genie) is just more difficult to use as far as consistent results. But if used properly, it'll provide the same high quality vapor as any other model.
Without a source, your statement is just iffy internet pseudo info. There's already too much of that floating around.
If everyone is different (which is true), then that particular 'pro' doesn't belong on your list, unless you qualify it. And high heat doesn't eliminate the release of any compounds, it increases them. That includes cannabinoids, terpenoids, flavonoids, as well as toxins.
As foglights pointed out, nowhere in your original post did you say that your statements were anything but fact. And we're pretty picky about that here.
"Word your posts carefully, do not state opinion as fact; we don't want to spread bad information" http://www.fuckcombustion.com/misc.php?action=rules
Fair enough, I added the IMO to the first post.foglights said:Alpha: most of your points are completely subjective and you provide no sources for any of your claims. you seem to be stating opinion as fact, which is against forum rules.
and now you're claiming that the herbalaire flakes off harmful particles.
I actually own an Herbal Aire, so I can see the wear on the neck piece. Again this is my experience.
The_Algebraist
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Thank you.max said:
For me an increase in usage was only temporary. Vapor is just so tasty I had to over indulge for a few weeks and then it leveled back out and I actually use less now. I too am good off of one PD stem. A major benefit I noticed is that my allergies are much better. I can actually smell from time to time hehe. Pretty positive this is due to the nasal passages not being irritated by smoke and making a bad situation worse. That alone makes it worth it to me.
smokeandskate
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Does anyone else notice that your eyes dont get red when you vape unless you vape a lot for a long time which i have and my eyes were probably red. but usually after a bowl or 2 im really high but i dont look it on the outside cause i dont look retarded.
The only downside I've found to vaporization is that I've had to give up the instant "hammer to the head" stone of a solid gravity bong hit. The Extreme with the fan on through an iced up bong is the closest I've found. Even then, it's kind of neccessary to have not vaped in a day or two.
The upsides to vaporization have been well discussed already.
The upsides to vaporization have been well discussed already.
?) If you used to smoke tobacco joints (because all-bud joints are effing insane!) and don't like bongs/pipes due to the harshness, you can finally enjoy your herb without being tobacco's bitch!
I find that since I moved over to vaping, I use far less herb in a day as I'm not having massive tobacco cravings every hour.
I find that since I moved over to vaping, I use far less herb in a day as I'm not having massive tobacco cravings every hour.
I disagree. Here in Oregon, I see people mixing cannabis and tobacco all the time. Hell, I've even done it occasionally, though mostly only when I need to stretch my supply of bud out a bit.
One downside I've discovered with vaporizing is that its so much more enjoyable (easier on the lungs, no grogginess, increased mental clarity, etc.) that I find myself smoking a lot more often than I did before. I've had more than one weekend where I've gone a little overboard and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Don't get me wrong, its not really a bad thing, it can just make your habit a bit more expensive if you're not careful.
One benefit is that if you smoke tobacco at all, I cannot over emphasize how much better it is vaporized. It tastes wonderful and I only need to vaporize perhaps half a cigarette's worth of tobacco to get the same buzz I'd get from smoking three or four. I've only recently switched to vaping tobacco and its already saved me loads of money.
I suppose those two things together cancel each other out a bit, but that's been my personal experience.
illadelph
vaked fresh daily
Tyler, you can't get REM until your high wears off while you're sleeping. This is why people on sleep meds usually don't dream much.
One positive i have found to vaping is that i can go out and vape with my i-inhale, then come in the house and hang around my parents and everything while not smelling nasty and being overly obvious. I feel like when i used to combust i had to stay away from my parents a lot more often. it also gives me a lot more confidence to go into public places without having to recieve stares or actually hear people say "it smells like a blunt in here".
One positive i have found to vaping is that i can go out and vape with my i-inhale, then come in the house and hang around my parents and everything while not smelling nasty and being overly obvious. I feel like when i used to combust i had to stay away from my parents a lot more often. it also gives me a lot more confidence to go into public places without having to recieve stares or actually hear people say "it smells like a blunt in here".