The Future of Vaporizing

[Dan Morrison]

Hell yeah. I like where this is all going. I agree with @slick, there will be room for everyone.

The fact you mention bowls is a tell-tale of your prefered method of consumption....

There are many interesting points made in this thread. To continue on the "inert materials" aspect and the vaporization "experience", I'll link to a rant I just did in another thread about what I really dislike in these modern mass-produced portables: before joining this forum, I never had to question myself whether material X or Y was safe to inhale, but I feel these devices forced me to ask these kinds of questions and I wish it was not the case >> http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/imag-plus.15520/page-27#post-728273

I prefer vaporizing, but I definitely enjoy a bowl of pipe tobacco a few times a year!

I like your rant on vaporizer materials!

Dan, you should check out the Sublimator thread. It flash vaporizes a small bowl very quickly (1-2 hits).

Interesting! From viewing the drawing and explanation, it seems to agitate the herbs with a vortex in a saturated flow of hot air. I don't know anything about how the " atomizer" is supposed to work, seems interesting!

I will say that I think the "flash vape" design needs to be looked at closer for future vaporizers.

@Enchantre , I dig it!

It seems like natural materials and the slower vaporization sessions go together well.

I'd like to see a vaporizer that flash vapes tiny chamber loads for intense flavour in each hit and maximum efficiency, but have some sort of dispenser and unloading mechanism that effortlessly "chambers" a new herb load after each hit.

 

[Tweak]

I'd like to see a vaporizer that flash vapes tiny chamber loads for intense flavour in each hit and maximum efficiency, but have some sort of dispenser and unloading mechanism that effortlessly "chambers" a new herb load after each hit.

I've always had the idea of two stainless steel meshes that sandwich together to flatten 1mm thin layer of flowers, spread evenly by a quick vibration of the screen. Then a fine tipped glass or SS nozzle would blast temperature regulated hot air to a section of the screen with the pre-configured dosage/cloud size chosen by the user, the nozzle could be placed so close that the temperature should be very precise I would imagine. Then like a the Roomba vacuum robot, the nozzle works it's way across the untouched portions of the screen until the entire screen is spent.

Just can't think of how this could be engineer to fit into a smaller space to be practical or robust.

 

[Dan Morrison]

I've always had the idea of two stainless steel meshes that sandwich together to flatten 1mm thin layer of flowers, spread evenly by a quick vibration of the screen. Then a fine tipped glass or SS nozzle would blast temperature regulated hot air to a section of the screen with the pre-configured dosage/cloud size chosen by the user, the nozzle could be placed so close that the temperature should be very precise I would imagine. Then like a the Roomba vacuum robot, the nozzle works it's way across the untouched portions of the screen until the entire screen is spent.

Just can't think of how this could be engineer to fit into a smaller space to be practical or robust.

Ohhh I like that idea!

 

[basement farmer]

Unfortunatley, cannabis will never be taken seriously as a socially beneficial garden plant.

But....

I think the future of vaping is lasers.

No seriously, some non-heat generating method of releasing the THCs, CBDs, and terpenes minus the heat and oxidation products.

Perhaps more precise at doing so too.

 

[NorVape]

@KeroZen 's points about the European spliff culture vs the American pipe culture and how it affects peoples expectations of what a vaporizer should be is interesting.

When I told my friends (from the spliff culture) about dabbing, they were all like "why?"

To them the idea of getting high as fuck quick as fuck is connected to junkies who do home made plastic bucket style gravity bongs, before they eat some benzos and chase the dragon, whereas the slow, social rituals of spliff smoking is more akin to drinking a glass of wine with friends.

To us vapor connoisseurs all this smoking is of course disgusting

Anywayz, I really hope the future of vapes is diverse, and influenced by different cultures

 

[Dan Morrison]

@KeroZen 's points about the European spliff culture vs the American pipe culture and how it affects peoples expectations of what a vaporizer should be is interesting.

Yeah, I find this super interesting as well!

Perhaps mixing tobacco and herb in the vape chamber could lengthen sessions? Or replace tobacco with other dried herbs for flavour.

It seems odd, but I'd like to see weaker cannabis strains out there! Some people like to smoke low nicotine pipe tobacco or drink low caffeine teas, why not vape low thc cannabis?

 

[NorVape]

A lot of the import hashes we smoke/vape over here are very mellow. Not too high of a thc percent, and also very balanced out with the other active ingredients. And others again are brutal of course

I know many people who prefer this hash, and also some who prefer "semi bush" weed. Outdoors grown, old school weed, not to be confused with seedy mafia/cartel weed.

I've heard mixing tobacco and weed or hash in vapes is a pretty sticky, harsh and messy experience. I think many people I know just take smaller hits. I tend to do this a lot as well.

I don't let it rip unless it's through a bubbler, whip modification or of I'm using my Firefly. The FF is kinda made for doing big rips comfortably without water.

Other than that I just puff.

 

[basement farmer]

@KeroZen 's points about the European spliff culture vs the American pipe culture and how it affects peoples expectations of what a vaporizer should be is interesting.

When I told my friends (from the spliff culture) about dabbing, they were all like "why?"

To them the idea of getting high as fuck quick as fuck is connected to junkies who do home made plastic bucket style gravity bongs, before they eat some benzos and chase the dragon, whereas the slow, social rituals of spliff smoking is more akin to drinking a glass of wine with friends.

To us vapor connoisseurs all this smoking is of course disgusting

Anywayz, I really hope the future of vapes is diverse, and influenced by different cultures

You might think I'm full of it, but the cause of it goes way back to the Puritanical Work Ethic of our founding fathers. In 'Merica unfortunately, we feel that we've got a lot of shit to do and no time to sit around enjoying something pleaserable while getting philosophical about it.

I'm not making excuses for our hurry-up lifestyle here and I think it contriburutes a large part to our nation's schizo-psyhe in both good ways and bad. That's why America is known for both school shootings and the ability to put man on the moon....or maybe morbid obesity and the NBA.

 

[Tweak]

I think the future of vaping is lasers.

No seriously, some non-heat generating method of releasing the THCs, CBDs, and terpenes minus the heat and oxidation products.

This has crossed my mind too, vaporizing with radiation.

Lasers sounds brilliant.

Seen this video last month, it's mesmerizing (Volume warning):

 

[Stu]

I think the future of vaping is lasers.

I hope this future involves sharks with frickin' lasers.

 

[pakalolo]

If we really want to take vapourizing in the direction favoured here, I'd like us to clean up the language. I think we need to stop using terms like weed and dope, and even marijuana and grass. We are talking about cannabis, and those are all pejorative terms to some degree. At least words like herb and flowers don't reflect badly upon cannabis.

I'm not sure what people mean by Big Canna. If we're talking supply, then it's inevitable that after the prohibition ends, large corporations will move into the market place. There's far too much money at stake to avoid it; however, cannabis can be readily produced at home or in small grow-ops, so I think there'll be a mix of suppliers. Even if regulations limit production to licensed growers, there will be outlaw suppliers because the model is firmly in place.

If we're talking about vapourizers, I like to divide the market into hand-made and mass-produced devices. I believe it's inevitable that there will be a shake-out of the market for mass-produced vapourizers, and it will become increasingly difficult for a start-up to get a design produced and distributed. I don't see much change for the hand-made designs, since they are inherently limited in production and distribution anyway. I think there will always be a demand for well-made log vapourizers and artistic designs like the Okin.

My reason is that I foresee more call for a variety of strains that is driven by flavour rather than effects. A lot of those people will want a vapourizer that is more than a functional tool, because they'll approach it in the way Dan described with his wine analogy. For me, the biggest and most delightful revelation from my discovery of vapourizing is that it opened up a world of tastes that I never knew existed. I think a lot of people will want to explore this avenue. I also think that this will lead to more developed palates, by which I mean people will learn to appreciate the taste as it evolves during vapourization. I really love the flavour of the first few hits, but I also like exploring the taste of a nearly spent load. While most people don't like it, I see it as an acquired taste, and I believe that as vapourizing becomes more common, others will come to appreciate it too.

Flavour enthusiasts are a niche market, ideally suited to artisans. I think the mass market will buy mass-produced designs, and use them for mostly recreational purposes. They won't care much about flavour and will buy whatever is cheap and effective. Materials safety and vapour path purity will be secondary for them. On the other hand, I also believe there will be a large market for medical devices, especially after the limits are lifted from medical research. These people will insist on certified medically safe devices and the purest vapour flow possible.

Complicating everything is the impending battle over e-cigs. Cannabis vapourizers are not yet established in the mind of legislators and regulators as a separate category, and I think it's likely they'll be swept up with whatever happens to e-cigs. Unfortunately, right now that's not looking too good.

 

[jds32]

I'd like to see a vaporizer that flash vapes tiny chamber loads for intense flavour in each hit and maximum efficiency, but have some sort of dispenser and unloading mechanism that effortlessly "chambers" a new herb load after each hit.

Sounds like something that might be made possible by big canna. Imagine buying a prepackaged strip of individual disposable chambers prefilled with a single hit, kind of like a strip of charges for a nail gun.

 

[Unisonruss]

I always say cannabis is my tea, and that's the truth. The medicinal properties are astounding, and its ability to bring people together is unpredidented. And it promotes love...can't really say the same for any of my other "vices." And such as tea, I enjoy it in the evenings once it's time to unwind from a long days work, or to help spark some creativity in my writing, to give myself the motivation to have a good workout, or better yet, to ensure a great nights sleep. I have a connection to cannabis when I hold it in my hands, and especially when I smell it. And I want the vape I use to reflect that.

I've owned many vaporizers in the past, and all the ones I sold off (for the most part) were the ones that didn't really require any technique. When it feels automatic, the enjoyment goes away, no matter how delicious the taste, or how efficient the battery is. The vapes I continue to use are the ones I had to learn, and later master. And mastery brings the most enjoyment, in any facet of life, don't you think? Sure, there's a lot of enjoyment they can come out of the near perfect vapor that you achieve from a volcano, for instance. But, any of my vapes constructed out of wood, or natural materials, still get used the most. They have a personal connection, and require ritual, which is much missed otherwise. I'm pretty much over anything with a power chord or a battery. I guess I'm old school.

 

[Dan Morrison]

@Unisonruss , Couldn't have said it any better!

 

[LutherBlissett]

Cool, a thread which really suits my forum title.

My hope is that in future a team of robot huskies will roam the planet offering free vapo(u)r to anyone who whistles at them. :]

 

[CarolKing]

@pakalolo I wholeheartedly agree flavor is definitely a factor for me. I only prefer a vaporizer that produces good flavor along with good tasting herb. The wine analogy is spot on. Cannabis has so many different flavors I didn't realize that until I started vaporizing and was able to choose the strain. Of coarse getting medicated is important too.

Having a choice of more than three temperatures is a must IMO. I see some of the newer portables can be hooked up to smart phones, tablets and computers via apps to regulate temp and check for operating features. Vaporizers are only getting better with time. Just imagine 10 years down the road. there may be a vaporizer that grinds your material before vaping. Kinda like the coffee makers. We don't really need all those bells and whistles but some folks like that stuff. A good log vape will get the job done and has a nice vapor flavor. For some more simple is better.

I think getting the word out about vaporizers at our local dispensaries. Passing the word onto others that use cannabis. Also in many cases folks don't have a lot of friends in their circle that use the product, probably more so for the older members.

The walls of prohibition are quickly crumbling around the world. Our fav herb is becoming more acceptable. With the negativity against just plain smoking tobacco and the ecig vaporizing revolution, vaporizers that are used with cannabis will follow suit. With everyone's need to live a healthier lifestyle. If you have a medical condition and if you are a cannabis user it's especially important that you don't combust. All of you guys know that already, I'm speaking to the choir with my FC friends.

With the attention to the Haze vaporizer as being one of the gifts in the goody bags given to actors that are nominated for an Oscar, vaporizers will be in the spot light. I'm hoping to hear some buzz about it in the main stream media. It would be a plus if they talked about it and gave it a positive spin on the morning talk shows. Here is our beloved vaporizer's chance to shine. Bill Maher talked about it on his show but that's to be expected, with that old stoner (oops not suppose to say that).

@Enchantre is excited and hoping to be able to show some medical users about the good aspects of vaporizing vs smoking at our local MMJ Farmers Market, she's just waiting on the go a head. The market is in a temporary venue for now, there's a process to get the OK to use vaporizers on the premises. She has a nice selection of vapes and I said I could bring a couple of mine. Trying to spread the word in our neck of the woods. Just showing folks what vaporizing options are out there if you want to fuckcombustion. Enchantra isn't bringing the expensive glass.

 

[CarolKing]

I would like to see something like Vaporizer of the Month Club. Where you would buy into this club and you would receive a vaporizer to use for one month. You would then pack it up and send it back afterwards. It would be up to the company to clean the equipment. You would use a credit card to pay so the company would have your card number if you didn't send the unit back.

There are always new vaporizers coming out so the selection would keep changing. Most folks would want to use the newer vaporizers. The older vapes the company could just sell as used vaporizers.

Even something like a vaporizer rental company so a person could rent a vape by the month or week. If you wanted a vaporizer for the week that would be perfect time to see if you wanted to buy it.

If you are a vacationer in Colorado or Washington it would be nice to rent a vaporizer at a vaporizer rental store for the day. The rental stores could be next door to a legal cannabis store for convenience.

There is an idea for entrepreneurs out there. Often it's so hard to know what vape to buy.

 

[lwien]

Even something like a vaporizer rental company so a person could rent a vape by the month or week. If you wanted a vaporizer for the week that would be perfect time to see if you wanted to buy it.

And the rental fee would be subtracted from the cost of a new vaporizer if you decided to purchase one (max 3 day rental).

Could be a very viable business.

 

[pakalolo]

It's in the works

 

[Hippie Dickie]

Could be a very viable business.

????? sounds like renting hypodermic needles.

 

[lwien]

????? sounds like renting hypodermic needles.

Renting recycled hypodermic needles, eh?

"Trust us. It's safe......Money back guarantee if we're wrong! "

 

[Joel W.]

It's in the works

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/muad-dib-concentrate-box.11972/page-16#post-768666

I knew it was a good idea!

 

[bounce5]

I would like to see something like Vaporizer of the Month Club. Where you would buy into this club and you would receive a vaporizer to use for one month. You would then pack it up and send it back afterwards. It would be up to the company to clean the equipment. You would use a credit card to pay so the company would have your card number if you didn't send the unit back.

There are always new vaporizers coming out so the selection would keep changing. Most folks would want to use the newer vaporizers. The older vapes the company could just sell as used vaporizers.

Even something like a vaporizer rental company so a person could rent a vape by the month or week. If you wanted a vaporizer for the week that would be perfect time to see if you wanted to buy it.

If you are a vacationer in Colorado or Washington it would be nice to rent a vaporizer at a vaporizer rental store for the day. The rental stores could be next door to a legal cannabis store for convenience.

There is an idea for entrepreneurs out there. Often it's so hard to know what vape to buy.

I saw this mentioned in another thread:

SSV Rental in Denver, CO. $25 per night.

http://my420tours.com/420-extras/cannabis-vaporizer-rental/

 

[shredder]

Good thread vaporists!

I think small gourmet type herb, goes hand in glove with flavor savoring vapes. The only trouble going forward that I see, is there is no way to tax small home grows, where the best of the best is grown. Big growers and money hungry politicos hate the little guy/gal because it hurts the bottom line. And in turn this keeps the black market open and viable in the near future.

 

[lwien]

I know that there's some anecdotal evidence on this but I'd sure like to see something a bit more scientific in regards to specific strains that are more vaporizer friendly. If, in fact, this can be proven somehow it could open up a whole new strain category, eh?