The Future of Vaporizing

[Dan Morrison]

I'd like to talk a bit about where you would like to see the act (or art) of vaporizing go in the future...

I've been thinking a lot about this recently, and my thoughts on it are still all over the place, but I'll try to get the ball rolling here...

Obviously vaporizing came out of smoking culture, so it borrows a lot of aspects from that world... but, I think that it was born out of a desire to be more mindful about ingesting herbs and the positive effects they have on our mental/physical health.

I see a lot of parallels between vaporizing and, say, drinking alcohol. On one hand, I see many vapor products aimed at those who are just after the effects of cannabis. The method of ingestion doesn't matter so much, it's like drinking the cheapest beer, wine, or spirits.. and just..getting it down to get drunk. On the other hand, I see a lot of vapor enthusiasts going into the nuances of vaporizing. You could say they are connoisseurs, in the same vein as people who enjoy the rich depth of artisan produced alcohol.

I would love to see the vapor community shift more in that direction.

Food, tea, coffee, alcohol, and tobacco consumption all have rich histories and all the wonderful nuances that are born out of that history. You could break the consumption ritual down into the raw ingredients and the tools and skills that are used to transform them into something that we enjoy consuming.

It's obvious that starting with quality raw ingredients is a no-brainer. And lucky for us, the cannabis community has got that covered... in under half a century we have taken the cannabis plant to a whole new level, it's simply amazing. When you take into account the variation in mental effects, you could say that cannabis is even more layered than something like alcohol.

With changing laws, we have a great opportunity to change how we consume cannabis. This starts with having much more control over the growing and distribution of cannabis itself. We can now explore the effects of climate, storage, aging, etc... We can demand organically grown crops.. Should we not re-evaluate our methods of engaging with this new world of fine cannabis?

In the past, the cannabis community has always had a certain shady aspect to it, and its legal status results in the necessity for clandestine methods of ingestion. I think this has had a somewhat negative effect on the direction of smoking tools. Only recently has there been a move towards producing high-end paraphernalia.

It's obvious that vaporizing has the disadvantage of being relatively young, when compared to something like tea drinking. Vaporizers are usually developed around modern building methods and materials. This is where my concern lies.

Why do we continue to use wooden barrels for aging alcohol? What about the superior taste of some teas prepared in a teapot made from region specific natural clay, with water boiled in an iron kettle? Or the use of briar wood for fine tobacco pipes. Why do these materials live on in a modern age? I think it is about more than just tradition.

It's about the materials themselves, and the way in which they impart complexity into the experience of using them. They are, in themselves, complex. They are not inert, they enhance the experience by interacting with the raw materials in very interesting ways.

The industrial revolution has created the need for materials that react to stress in a predictable way. This has led to the refinement of natural materials into more pure forms. And these materials are perfect for the industrial manufacturing process. So, the makeup of modern vaporizers follows suit. Plastic, stainless steel, glass, ceramic. These materials are most common. But, are they the best materials for the application? It seems to me that their use in vaporizers is more a result of the modern manufacturing process, and less to do with what actually works best for our very specific task.

I have always found that refined materials feel one-dimensional. I don't know exactly what biological process leads to this feeling, but I think that it has something to do with our history of interacting with nature. We have an innate ability to understand the language of materials. The minute details and inconsistencies in wood, stone, metal ore, etc. make it possible for us to interact with those materials on an intimate level, whether we are aware of it or not. The texture of nature is like braille for our brains.

In creating refined materials, we have taken those details and blurred them, flattened them out into something that no longer has any mystery or diversity. That is why I view them as one-dimensional.

So what does this all have to do with vaporizers?

I am afraid that if we do not explore the use of more unrefined materials in vaporizing rituals, we may miss out on a level of complexity in the experience that could be very important to the direction of the vapor community as a whole.

I would like to promote the mindful enjoyment of herbs, to allow the experience to be enhanced through an intimacy with natural materials. Modern vaporizers make this more difficult by forcing us to experience cannabis through tools that do not speak to the soul. The nuance is lost, the results are boring, there is no art to the ritual.

I would love to hear how others feel about the direction of vaporizing, as a culture, and how you feel about vaporizing emerging in the era of modern manufacturing. Do you feel as though the materials and methods we are developing promote a respect for cannabis?

 

[Madcap79]

Excellent post! I do agree that there are a lot of vaporists who do enjoy the nuances and personal experience of partaking in cannabis for medicine or recreation. I'm not much of a drinker but I do enjoy a good glass of scotch, a well crafted beer or a nice glass of absinthe. I can understand your view on that for sure. One thing I'm most worried about is the 'big cannabis' that will inevitably happen. I like the communal feel of the cannabis culture and that's why I like this website so much. It's a small community and the majority of the people on here are kind, generous and willing to help people.


Also, one of the many reason I love my log vapes are the handcrafted feel and simplicity of them.

 

[Dan Morrison]

I too fear the rise of "big cannabis". What I think is important is that as consumers we demand more from the corporations that will eventually control the direction of new products and services.

That communal feel that you mention seems to run deep in cannabis culture. The very act of consumption is, in many of our minds, tied to being with friends, meeting new people, having great conversations. I hope that this mentality remains as cannabis becomes more mainstream. I think that as pioneers, we have a responsibility to promote a certain vibe going into the future... (trying not to sound elitist here, haha)

And, I like your comments on the log vape. What exactly is it about the "handcrafted feel" and simple design that you enjoy? If you can put that into words.. How would you say it enhances the experience?

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Dan Morrison,

I'd like to talk a bit... ... ...how you feel about vaporizing emerging in the era of modern manufacturing.

Well i fear there's some controversy around e-Cigs which could also affect cannabis vaporisation soon enough so i'd hope for designs meant to maximize social acceptability, because of the smoking culture influence exactly, as it would be desirable to steer away from various forms of "locomotive effects", for example. As for analogies i'd favour imagery similar to some civilized ritual...

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...rather than the junkie style...

Relatively to experience enhancement my guess is "Big Canna" will trigger changes not only in the vaporizing tools but eventually the load's substrate as well: e.g. perfectly calibrated synthetic trichromes terminated by electrostatically-deposited canna-jet ("painted") bubbles containing just the right ratios of concentrated extracts (THC, CBD, CBN), whatever, etc...

Imagine, pure on-demand custom-recipe mosaics!

Among the "locomotive effects" i got in mind there's the need to pre-heat since as a result of the frustration from waiting it may be tempting to have more tokes than actually required. Cigarettes don't make a smoker spend his time that way, it's ready in a flash and hence no loss for pre-heating time occurs while, comparatively, using my HA of VG i must admit that once it's got into the comfort zone i tend to want it to stay there for a while... Meaning i could let go but i don't, because i used to "work" in order to get that balloon as much a i do now warming up my modded pipe... So if we're to change our image then maybe that would help to vape like we used to smoke: light up, enjoy - lets cut wasted time while leaving plenty of room for ritual to develop between tokes, to inlude cleaning tasks or else i figure, etc.

 

[Dan Morrison]

Egzoset,

Well i fear there's some controversy around e-Cigs which could also affect cannabis vaporisation soon enough so i'd hope for designs meant to maximize social acceptability... As for analogies i'd favour imagery similar to some civilized ritual...

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I think this is a great point. Cannabis vaporization, in the public eye, is definitely connected to E-cigs, and the smoking/drug culture in general. I think one of the hurdles will be overcoming this connection and separating ourselves from the negative stigmas associated with those cultures as cannabis makes the transition from illegal to legal drug.

I really like where the tobacco pipe smokers have situated themselves. Culturally they are distinctly different from cigarette smokers. There is much more tolerance towards pipe smoking, and even a certain respect for it as an art form.

It has achieved a level of social acceptability, and indeed it is a civilized ritual.

But, what exactly makes something "civilized"?

I think it comes down to how you show respect for the ritual, whatever that may be. In western society, it is seen as uncivilized to drink directly out of a wine bottle... it should be poured into an appropriate glass. Now, at first, I am eager to disregard that as a pompous gesture, born out of the class structure, and in no way a reflection of respect.

And yet, when I buy a nice bottle of wine, I never drink it straight from the bottle, even if I am alone. I know that pouring it into a proper glass will enhance my experience. I am showing respect to the wine makers by engaging with the wine in a way that allows me to experience it to the fullest. I know that the shape of the glass is important, and the way it is aerated. I know this because I am able to learn from the experience of my ancestors.

So, this civil act of pouring a glass of wine, shows both understanding and respect. It assumes a certain level of intelligence and communion with our natural history.

The way of the junkie, can be seen as the complete opposite. It is a total abuse of the ritual, showing no respect to nature.

Similarity, a cigarette shows no respect for the tobacco plant. And poorly designed vaporizers run in the same vein.

perfectly calibrated synthetic trichromes terminated by electrostatically-deposited canna-jet ("painted") bubbles containing just the right ratios of concentrated extracts (THC, CBD, CBN), whatever, etc...

Imagine, pure on-demand custom-recipe mosaics!

Now we are really getting into the future! I like where your head is at. I would like to add that I think it's important to keep the "essence" of the cannabis plant, through the extraction process. Just like whiskey is an extraction from a more diluted "mash", yet it still retains those magical nuances. I wouldn't want to see cannabis consumption become separated from the plant, to become too clinical.

So if we're to change our image then maybe that would help to vape like we used to smoke: light up, enjoy - lets cut wasted time while leaving plenty of room for ritual to develop between tokes, to inlude cleaning tasks or else i figure, etc.

Yes!

 

[Madcap79]

I too fear the rise of "big cannabis". What I think is important is that as consumers we demand more from the corporations that will eventually control the direction of new products and services.

That communal feel that you mention seems to run deep in cannabis culture. The very act of consumption is, in many of our minds, tied to being with friends, meeting new people, having great conversations. I hope that this mentality remains as cannabis becomes more mainstream. I think that as pioneers, we have a responsibility to promote a certain vibe going into the future... (trying not to sound elitist here, haha)

And, I like your comments on the log vape. What exactly is it about the "handcrafted feel" and simple design that you enjoy? If you can put that into words.. How would you say it enhances the experience?

What do I like about them? I'll do my best to tell you. I like the feel of the wood. Each wood type feels a little different. Every log vape has it's own grain pattern so every one is unique. Knowing that someone took time shaping the body on a lathe and then assembling the various parts by hand adds to the experience for me. When using the logs, you can use very small amounts and sip on the vapor with great results. The wood has a gentle warmness to it from the heater and is therapeutic on the hands. As I use them, I will study the grain pattern and subtleties in the wood. I think the wooden body's of some of the logs lends it's own flavor and smells to the experience because of the way they are constructed. After you are done with your session, you can put essential oils into a copper cup and fill the room with other wonderful smells. I'm sure there are more reasons but that's all I have for now.

I agree that I hope the use of flowers never goes away. I enjoy using flowers more than concentrates.

When I did combust, I always enjoyed joints the most because of the communal aspect. Plus the ritual of rolling the joint. Passing the joint amongst friends.

I digress, I'm romanticizing now. Haha.

 

[hoptimum]

I would like to promote the mindful enjoyment of herbs, to allow the experience to be enhanced through an intimacy with natural materials. Modern vaporizers make this more difficult by forcing us to experience cannabis through tools that do not speak to the soul. The nuance is lost, the results are boring, there is no art to the ritual.

I vehemently disagree with your premise. While some vaporizers simplify and homogenize the ritual, others compel the user to invest time and effort perfecting technique and understanding subtle nuances in order to maximize the experience. Further, some vaporizers encourage experimentation, which is shared daily on this forum. Log vapes like the HI and Underdog, the Lotus, MFLB, Vapor Genie, Flash Vape and others demand and reward the effort you put into them. And they have plenty of personality and, yes, soul. Some people will always opt for the convenience of a Keurig coffee dispenser while others will painstakingly pull a shot of espresso in pursuit of that perfect cup. I think something similar is happening in vaporizers. Some eschew manual vaporizers that require user investment, others embrace it.

 

[Dan Morrison]

I vehemently disagree with your premise. While some vaporizers simplify and homogenize the ritual, others compel the user to invest time and effort perfecting technique and understanding subtle nuances in order to maximize the experience. Further, some vaporizers encourage experimentation, which is shared daily on this forum. Log vapes like the HI and Underdog, the Lotus, MFLB, Vapor Genie, Flash Vape and others demand and reward the effort you put into them. And they have plenty of personality and, yes, soul. Some people will always opt for the convenience of a Keurig coffee dispenser while others will painstakingly pull a shot of espresso in pursuit of that perfect cup. I think something similar is happening in vaporizers. Some eschew manual vaporizers that require user investment, others embrace it.

We are on the same page, but I made a mistake in typing out my thoughts, and that made things confusing. I completely agree with your thoughts on the vaporizers that you just mentioned!

When I said "modern vaporizers", I should have added that only SOME modern vaporizers are poorly designed.

There are definitely plenty of vaporizers out there that I really like! And I think the people who are making them are on the right path. I just want to see more of that, I suppose.

 

[NorVape]

It is interesting you say this, op, because when I tried to convert my combusting friends with the PnP or the Firefly, most viewed it as a novelty thing, but after I got the lovely handcrafted wood and metal Vapman they all become vapeheads. And we're talking heavy spliff smokers here, tobacco mix and all.

The heaviest of them tried the Vapman over the weekend and ordered two yesterday. He actually told me this was the first vape that felt natural to him.

 

[Dan Morrison]

He actually told me this was the first vape that felt natural to him.

That's interesting!

Is there a learning curve to the Vapman? If I assume that there is, It makes me wonder if that's an important aspect of the experience.

Everyone likes that feeling of learning something new. And it's very satisfying to master something so that it yields the best results... It allows you to engage with it on a deeper level, feel more connected to it.

I wonder if vaporizers that do everything perfectly and automatically tend to strip the experience of that feeling of interaction...

It's like, with a spliff, one of the best parts is the creativity and skill that you can put into rolling it. The few people I know who roll spliffs, roll them a bit differently. And if you put me in a blind spliff taste test, I could match each spliff to the friend who rolled it, they are like signatures. I think there is something really special in that.

 

[NorVape]

It's like, with a spliff, one of the best parts is the creativity and skill that you can put into rolling it. The few people I know who roll spliffs, roll them a bit differently. And if you put me in a blind spliff taste test, I could match each spliff to the friend who rolled it, they are like signatures. I think there is something really special in that.

I come from a crew of master spliff rollers, so, yes this actually applies a lot to me and my friends. I think a lot of the electric vapes feel more like the pipes and the bongs we've never been too big on, where as the Vapman, with it's learning curve, and also required skills and technique feels more akin to the spliff.

I'm talking the euro style spliff here, not those weird US jays

 

[Scott A]

Just imo I think it should go more towards manufactures using more inert materials in their vaporizers and creating vaporizers that emphasize the weed more. Vaporizers with pure air paths let you pick up on the subtle nuances of the weed being vaporized and that is what is important to me. To me it is the weed that is important and I dont really want my vaporizer to effect that.

On the other hand I do love a well crafted log vape and there is something special about the wood in your hands so I guess you can take what im saying with a grain of salt lol.

 

[Hippie Dickie]

They are not inert

just to echo @Scott A ... what i seek is a totally inert material/device, and that's why i prefer borosilicate glass. of all the materials used for making vaporizers these days, borosilicate glass is most compatible with (and unaffected by) the 400 F operating temperature.

plastic, Teflon, silicone, metal, ceramic ... all definitely add a subtle interaction ... i would not use them. THC is just fine on its own ... i prefer to taste just the herb.

Is there a learning curve ... It makes me wonder if that's an important aspect of the experience.

it seems to me, most of the learning curve effect has to do with compensating for an inadequately designed heater - that is, one that can't dynamically adjust to cooling caused by air flow ... this was true for my first vape designs (models 1 through 12) ... 70A batteries and computer control took care of that problem. And it was a problem.

 

[Dan Morrison]

Loving this discussion so far.

@Hippie Dickie and @Scott A ,

So your preferences are to experience vapor in its, arguably, most raw form. I see nothing wrong with that!

But, what I find interesting, is that idea of "purity". What exactly IS the most pure form of cannabis vapor?

I would argue that vapor is in it's most pure form, the moment that it's released from the organic material. After that initial moment, it begins to interact with the environment. By the time it hits our mouth, it has had plenty of time to change. It seems as though people who promote glass, are looking for a way to inhibit the change in the vapor as it travels through the airway. That makes total sense to me.

I find it funny, however, that water filtration seems to go hand-in-hand with glass pieces... and yet that filtration process is responsible for so much change in the taste of the vapor. If you wanted an "inert" smoking device, using water filtration would be very counterproductive!

Regardless, there will always be SOME change in the vapor, no matter how subtle.

But it seems true that glass airways change the vapor the least out of all materials commonly used in vaporizers, and I think that is the most important point here.

You could easily argue that the taste of plastic, silicone, metal, etc. can all impart a negative quality to the way vapor tastes. I would agree here.

But, what about materials that impart positive qualities to the vapor? I suppose that this avenue is what I am most interested in, and I'll admit my bias!

Cannabis is most always consumed in an altered state. The taste of fresh buds straight off the plant isn't very good... and it's widely accepted that proper drying and curing strengthens the desirable qualities of cannabis. We even choose a specific grind, and allow time for our herbs to further dry before popping them into our vaporizers. The moment cannabis is harvested, it's altered in ways that enhance the vapor that we can extract from it. Why do we suddenly stop this process the moment that we place the herbs into the vape chamber? What about the last leg of the journey, from the chamber to our mouth?

The way of glass aims to make this last leg void of any interaction. It should merely act as an unfiltered gateway, giving us the full spectrum, adding nothing, taking nothing away.

Let me just say that I think that is an awesome thought! I see nothing inferior to that process!

I only wish to recognize the possibility that we may have missed out on some very special discoveries because of how vaporizer technology has been developed through the modern era.

It seems unlikely that any large companies will start experimenting with the use of more natural materials in their designs, because these materials are not compatible in a factory setting.

Perhaps there is a clay, from a certain region, with very specific qualities that, when used in a vaporizer chamber or airway, interacts with the vapor in a positive way.

I guess i would just like to see more experimentation out there, both in materials and design. Glass could very well be the most ideal material for our purpose, but how will we know for sure if we don't explore other possibilities?

 

[Stu]

I find it funny, however, that water filtration seems to go hand-in-hand with glass pieces... and yet that filtration process is responsible for so much change in the taste of the vapor. If you wanted an "inert" smoking device, using water filtration would be very counterproductive!

I use glass water filtration most of the time. I use glass because as you stated, glass being inert minimizes the taste loss. I use water filtration because I prefer my vapor to be cooled and moisturized. Harsh vapor kills me as I suffer from chronic bronchitis, so the water filtration is a must for me. Although I'm choosing smoother vapor over taste, I choose to do so with the least amount of flavor loss as I can so as to maintain the best possible flavor.

I would love to prioritize taste, but my own personal condition has priorities of its own.

 

[Dan Morrison]

I use glass water filtration most of the time. I use glass because as you stated, glass being inert minimizes the taste loss. I use water filtration because I prefer my vapor to be cooled and moisturized. Harsh vapor kills me as I suffer from chronic bronchitis, so the water filtration is a must for me. Although I'm choosing smoother vapor over taste, I choose to do so with the least amount of flavor loss as I can so as to maintain the best possible flavor.

I would love to prioritize taste, but my own personal condition has priorities of its own.

Great point!

I completely agree that water filtration is a positive innovation. While you may use it because you have to, I think that a lot of people use it because they just like it over raw vapor.

It goes back to the idea of non-inert vaporizing tools, and how experimentation can lead to awesome discoveries (like water filtration).

I wonder if you could achieve a similar effect by filtering the vapor through a solid medium, like active carbon or maybe a damp media? Water filtration doesn't really fit very well with ultra-portable devices, so I've been wondering what sort of unknown alternatives may be out there...

Time to experiment!

 

[Tweak]

IMO, this forum prioritizes taste too much, . We've come a long way from combustion taste and have gotten much better with the latest round of vaporizers, so we are already doing much better than ever before with taste.

For me, the flavor lasts only the first one or two hits anyway. Then towards the end of a session it starts tasting much worse. I'd rather have the nasty flavor filtered more than I care about the negligible loss is flavor at the beginning. But then again, I don't have access to half the strains some of you guys get ,.

 

[Pain]

I have just gotten a glimpse of the future and it is an amazing experience....it's vaping shatter. Just a few hits takes me way up into the clouds. It would have taken at least 25 hits of flower to get to the same high. You don't need much of a battery to heat shatter so your vape can be very small too.

What they still need to work on is taste because it tastes pretty bad, like plastic. The shatter was purchased at a legal store in WA so I know it is tested to be pure. It is good that there is almost no smell, but the taste needs improvement.

 

[TeeJay1952]

10 jars with different buds, a ENano or UD and a weekend. It is a one man taste festival. Different from Pain Management. Exploring nuances of flavor and effect. @Tweak turn it down. Take your time. Savor the flavor!

 

[Dan Morrison]

On the subject of flavour...

When I combust, I always smoke tiny bowls that are spent after one hit. The "green hit" tends to be the best, so why go beyond that? Just pack another bowl and do it all over again.

With vaporizing, I fancy a similar technique, I like a relatively small amount, vaporized in 1-3 draws. You get all of the flavour, and any "burnt popcorn" is either hidden or short lived. I sometimes go a step further and layer the chamber with herb upfront and something like mint or chamomile behind it. So you fully vaporize your herbs, but mix in some extra flavour as well...

I hope the future brings new chamber designs that will maximize the surface contact between the heat source and the herbs, with more even distribution of heat as well. I believe that to get the best flavour and effects, a method of flash vaporizing needs to be developed, to vaporize the herbs very quickly, going from green to dark brown in seconds, extracting all of the vapor in as few draws as possible.

 

[KeroZen]

The fact you mention bowls is a tell-tale of your prefered method of consumption. As @NorVape said, in Europe we mostly consume spliffs (often mixed with tobacco) and like them long lasting, whereas in the US a lot of users prefer to use glass pieces and like big "one shots" (which you usually don't share)

This crucial difference always strikes me when reading this forum, as people have completely different expectations about vaporizers due to it. Some want the biggest cloud possible, cashing the bowl in 1 to 3 hits, while others want it to last for a good session, sipping small hits on demand for 10+ minutes.

I must say that if your flavor is only lasting for a few hits, then you are likely starting at a high temperature. With my Ascent I can usually get 3 entire temperature levels worth of cheer goodness before the taste deteriorates, whereas with my other portables that start higher it degrades pretty fast.

There are many interesting points made in this thread. To continue on the "inert materials" aspect and the vaporization "experience", I'll link to a rant I just did in another thread about what I really dislike in these modern mass-produced portables: before joining this forum, I never had to question myself whether material X or Y was safe to inhale, but I feel these devices forced me to ask these kinds of questions and I wish it was not the case >> http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/imag-plus.15520/page-27#post-728273

 

[Tweak]

Take your time. Savor the flavor!

I always do.

I'm blown away that some people use 7 on there nano or Solo. My SSV never goes above noon, Nano never goes above 6.5. My ABV is still green and I've been chasing the "ABV should be brown" myth forever now. Not until recently have I come to the realization that ABV color is most likely the result of your starting temperature.

 

[Stu]

I hope the future brings new chamber designs that will maximize the surface contact between the heat source and the herbs, with more even distribution of heat as well. I believe that to get the best flavour and effects, a method of flash vaporizing needs to be developed, to vaporize the herbs very quickly, going from green to dark brown in seconds, extracting all of the vapor in as few draws as possible.

Dan, you should check out the Sublimator thread. It flash vaporizes a small bowl very quickly (1-2 hits).

 

[Enchantre]

I'm really moving to the opposite camp - not surprising, since I'm a contrary sort of person at my core.

"all-glass" is great, as far as it goes... and sometimes, that is too far.
I have three wood stems, so far, to use with various vapes. I happened to have gotten mine from @Ed's TnT , and now with @Snappo & his wonderful wood, there are even more options for natural materials.

Wood invites touching. It needs care, it gathers resin, it requires technique, it feels more like the calming ritual of the past, rather than the sterile, clinical "one-shot & run" mentality & tech.

I'm wanting to sit, fiddle about with a natural material vape, sip on the herb with it over a long-ish period, ... all of this is very similar to what I've observed with tobacco pipe smokers (okay, yuck, I know), but the physical ritual & length of time is what I'm finding myself gravitating towards.

I've been considering getting a Vapman, just because it is more natural materials, with a bit of technique involved, though it is butane. sigh. I dislike the torch thing.

I actually like loading some concentrate in my ENano gong, using my J-Hook, and sipping on the vapor for an hour or more... but there again, while my Nano is natural wood, the vapor itself has a SS & glass vapor path. It's also a two-handed operation, and I'd prefer something way more graceful.

I think that the future of vaporizing includes a full spectrum of options for those that want speed, efficiency, and purity. It will be artists, dreamers, and right-brain thinkers that will provide what the rest of us need.

 

[slick]

I have to agree with just about every opinion on this thread. The only thing I hope for vaping is that it continues to grow and become a bigger slice of the pie. There will be plenty of space in the future for both the organic and the sleek.

I have to say I'm not that worried about "big canna". There is enough room for both Miller light and Hoptimum in the beer world. They both fulfill diffrence roles. Similarly there will be enough room for the mass inorganicly grown "meh" and the latest GCC.