That's it I've had it.. I'm done with concentrates forever!

[Socks And Sandals]

Hey guys.. I'm sorry but I'm at my wit's end and I have to vent..

Here's my story:
I recently got into vaping and bought a Plenty Vaporizer and love it.... but I've never gotten concentrates to work in it. Over the course of the past 6 months I've been trying out concentrates and it seems the only way I can get them to work is by dressing a bowl and combusting because NOTHING ELSE WORKS! I've tried vape pens with ego twist batteries and glass domes made for waxes.. and I've wasted EVERYTHING I HAVE PUT IN THERE! Hell I don't even think I ever got any kind of a feeling from it from a Pen period! Just a sick chemical burning coil taste! I probably wasted nearly $60 on this bullshit with my wax glass dome and ceramic atomizer over the last 6 months and I have never felt even a buzz from them.. YES REALLY I SHIT YOU NOT FC!

Then just this past friday, I decided to see what dabbing was like and I HATED IT! Well not really the high.. but the entire process itself. It just feels dirty doing it! I'm so glad I didn't waste money on a rig and only wasted nearly $70 on a conversion kit that looks like an elbow with a glass dome and a titanium nail and Scorch Torch... Lets just say what a waste of money!!! I wasted nearly 1/4 of my $30 .5gram just trying to get the shatter on the nail but instead ended up with most of it all over my glass dome??? WTF? Out of that.. I was only able to get one lack luster hit.. Not a cloud.. mind you but an average hit! My heart started to flutter and the high was over in nearly 30 minutes.. Lets just say this wasn't the "HIGH SCHOOL HIGH" or even on the same level as the first 10 times I got high as a kid!! First time I ever smoked weed I was 15 and me and 3 friends were on bikes.. and I literally felt as if I was inside of a dream!! Sorry to say.. my first dab didn't come close and if I wanted to replicate my first 10 smoke out sessions.. I'd have to get a hold of some Psilocybin or Peyote to get that back again and I'm sorry but my drug days are all over except for herb and alcohol!

Anyhow, the next day I try it again and again.. no thick cloud and same mediocre hit!!! Remember this is shatter I'm talking about.. So I got so fed up I decided to run out today and get a new glass globe and atomizer for my ego c twist battery so I can ATTEMPT concentrates from a pen again... Guess what happened?

I got home.. opened the wax paper or whatever it is they put it on and tried to cut off a small dab with my dab took and the sharp edge of a toothpick. The problem? Instead of staying a fat slab like the shatter.. I ended getting this gooey shit all over my dab tool, hands, battery and atomizer... (not to mention what was once a flat slab on wax paper was now a FUCKING DISTORTED GLOB OF GOOEY SWIRL THAT WAS ALL OVER THE WAX PAPER, MY DAB TOOL AND MY HANDS!) and in a severe rage of anger..I took my dab tool... what was left of whatever the fuck concentrate this was... my brand new glass globe and atomizer (that I just spent $20 dollars on (but now ended up covered in a gooey sticky mess that imo isn't worth the time and effort to clean any longer) and THREW THEM ALL IN THE FUCKING GARBAGE!

I'm sorry to be so Negative about this and before anyone says, "Hey pal, You're attitude sucks" Let me remind you that if you spent as much money as I have on different batteries, glass globe wax attachments, glass parts to convert my fucking bong into an oil rig and wasting over $130 experimenting with concentrates over the past 6 months.. You'd be pissed too.

Although my mind is made up.. concentrates are not worth the time, the money or the hassle to me.. especially after today.. This wax was IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OFF MY HANDS WITHOUT SOAKING THEM IN ISO and was so pissed about the fact that what once was a nice flat easy to cut off slab was now a gooey fucking ball of mess that I can no longer work with.. I DECIDED TO CHUCK IT ALL IN THE GARBAGE AND GIVE UP COMPLETELY! FUCK IT!

As I've mentioned.. I've never gotten any concentrates to work properly in my Plenty, My vape pens with glass domes, and now even using a titanium nail! If I can't even get the fucking dab off the paper and onto the coil of my vape pen without making an uncontrollable mess and wasting nearly all my shit.. and taking nearly an hour to clean up... it's just not worth the hassle.. Kinda reminds me of PC gaming back when I was really into video games.... just not worth the headaches involved at all to me PERIOD.

I know I'm going to get at least some negative comments over this but the real reason behind this thread wasn't just to vent... I'd like to know.. WTF AM I FUCKING DOING WRONG? I promise you guys I'll listen to everything you have to say with an open mind even though my mind is made up.. I'm never handling any concentrates ever again after today.. So that means No dabbing, no more vape pens.. I'm absolutely giving up with one exception to the rule... something that doesn't get all over your fucking hands to the point that everything you touch needs to be rubbed down with iso..... DISPOSABLE CANNABIS OIL CARTRIDGES... like Eureka, Honey Vape, Pure Gold and absolute extracts! This is going to be my only concentrate fix from here on out now!

I'm sorry if my language offends anyone but I had to vent and I really wanted to know what I did wrong even though I'm never handling any of this shit again and absolutely will not be wasting any more money on pens or dabbing until technology gives me something that actually works and a concentrate with a texture that I can actually deal with besides crumble!

I'm not asking anyone to convince me otherwise.. my mind is made up.. I'm done with dabbing and pens for good.. (WELL BEFORE EVEN GETTING STARTED) I just wouldn't mind knowing how did I fuck things up? I researched all I could over the net, youtube etc and I just don't fucking understand !Is this bad luck or has anyone been just as frustrated as me?

It's all about that Flower and disposable cannabis oil cartridges from here on out for me...I already experimented and failed with concentrates and I'm not wasting any more money on Bullshit..

 

[HomeFree]

I would say the majority of people here, including myself have gone down a similar path, which is why we are now on a site that discusses vaporizers, rather than paid for advertisments in high times magazine. At least you didn't waste $100 on a pen that could be put together for ~$20, which died 10 days after purchase.

If you have any sort of tolerance, the little wax pens will probably not get you high. They are essentially little one hitters. You need something more powerful. Also, hash oil sticks to EVERYTHING once it gets warm or is decarbed a bit. Dabbing takes some practice too. I would have saved all that wax to consume in edibles. Along with practice, you might want to try some different extracts.

Good luck! Enjoy your buds, too.

 

[herbivore21]

Hey guys.. I'm sorry but I'm at my wit's end and I have to vent..

Here's my story:
I recently got into vaping and bought a Plenty Vaporizer and love it.... but I've never gotten concentrates to work in it. Over the course of the past 6 months I've been trying out concentrates and it seems the only way I can get them to work is by dressing a bowl and combusting because NOTHING ELSE WORKS! I've tried vape pens with ego twist batteries and glass domes made for waxes.. and I've wasted EVERYTHING I HAVE PUT IN THERE! Hell I don't even think I ever got any kind of a feeling from it from a Pen period! Just a sick chemical burning coil taste! I probably wasted nearly $60 on this bullshit with my wax glass dome and ceramic atomizer over the last 6 months and I have never felt even a buzz from them.. YES REALLY I SHIT YOU NOT FC!

Then just this past friday, I decided to see what dabbing was like and I HATED IT! Well not really the high.. but the entire process itself. It just feels dirty doing it! I'm so glad I didn't waste money on a rig and only wasted nearly $70 on a conversion kit that looks like an elbow with a glass dome and a titanium nail and Scorch Torch... Lets just say what a waste of money!!! I wasted nearly 1/4 of my $30 .5gram just trying to get the shatter on the nail but instead ended up with most of it all over my glass dome??? WTF? Out of that.. I was only able to get one lack luster hit.. Not a cloud.. mind you but an average hit! My heart started to flutter and the high was over in nearly 30 minutes.. Lets just say this wasn't the "HIGH SCHOOL HIGH" or even on the same level as the first 10 times I got high as a kid!! First time I ever smoked weed I was 15 and me and 3 friends were on bikes.. and I literally felt as if I was inside of a dream!! Sorry to say.. my first dab didn't come close and if I wanted to replicate my first 10 smoke out sessions.. I'd have to get a hold of some Psilocybin or Peyote to get that back again and I'm sorry but my drug days are all over except for herb and alcohol!

Anyhow, the next day I try it again and again.. no thick cloud and same mediocre hit!!! Remember this is shatter I'm talking about.. So I got so fed up I decided to run out today and get a new glass globe and atomizer for my ego c twist battery so I can ATTEMPT concentrates from a pen again... Guess what happened?

I got home.. opened the wax paper or whatever it is they put it on and tried to cut off a small dab with my dab took and the sharp edge of a toothpick. The problem? Instead of staying a fat slab like the shatter.. I ended getting this gooey shit all over my dab tool, hands, battery and atomizer... (not to mention what was once a flat slab on wax paper was now a FUCKING DISTORTED GLOB OF GOOEY SWIRL THAT WAS ALL OVER THE WAX PAPER, MY DAB TOOL AND MY HANDS!) and in a severe rage of anger..I took my dab tool... what was left of whatever the fuck concentrate this was... my brand new glass globe and atomizer (that I just spent $20 dollars on (but now ended up covered in a gooey sticky mess that imo isn't worth the time and effort to clean any longer) and THREW THEM ALL IN THE FUCKING GARBAGE!

I'm sorry to be so Negative about this and before anyone says, "Hey pal, You're attitude sucks" Let me remind you that if you spent as much money as I have on different batteries, glass globe wax attachments, glass parts to convert my fucking bong into an oil rig and wasting over $130 experimenting with concentrates over the past 6 months.. You'd be pissed too.

Although my mind is made up.. concentrates are not worth the time, the money or the hassle to me.. especially after today.. This wax was IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OFF MY HANDS WITHOUT SOAKING THEM IN ISO and was so pissed about the fact that what once was a nice flat easy to cut off slab was now a gooey fucking ball of mess that I can no longer work with.. I DECIDED TO CHUCK IT ALL IN THE GARBAGE AND GIVE UP COMPLETELY! FUCK IT!

As I've mentioned.. I've never gotten any concentrates to work properly in my Plenty, My vape pens with glass domes, and now even using a titanium nail! If I can't even get the fucking dab off the paper and onto the coil of my vape pen without making an uncontrollable mess and wasting nearly all my shit.. and taking nearly an hour to clean up... it's just not worth the hassle.. Kinda reminds me of PC gaming back when I was really into video games.... just not worth the headaches involved at all to me PERIOD.

I know I'm going to get at least some negative comments over this but the real reason behind this thread wasn't just to vent... I'd like to know.. WTF AM I FUCKING DOING WRONG? I promise you guys I'll listen to everything you have to say with an open mind even though my mind is made up.. I'm never handling any concentrates ever again after today.. So that means No dabbing, no more vape pens.. I'm absolutely giving up with one exception to the rule... something that doesn't get all over your fucking hands to the point that everything you touch needs to be rubbed down with iso..... DISPOSABLE CANNABIS OIL CARTRIDGES... like Eureka, Honey Vape, Pure Gold and absolute extracts! This is going to be my only concentrate fix from here on out now!

I'm sorry if my language offends anyone but I had to vent and I really wanted to know what I did wrong even though I'm never handling any of this shit again and absolutely will not be wasting any more money on pens or dabbing until technology gives me something that actually works and a concentrate with a texture that I can actually deal with besides crumble!

I'm not asking anyone to convince me otherwise.. my mind is made up.. I'm done with dabbing and pens for good.. (WELL BEFORE EVEN GETTING STARTED) I just wouldn't mind knowing how did I fuck things up? I researched all I could over the net, youtube etc and I just don't fucking understand !Is this bad luck or has anyone been just as frustrated as me?

It's all about that Flower and disposable cannabis oil cartridges from here on out for me...I already experimented and failed with concentrates and I'm not wasting any more money on Bullshit..

Whoa man, it sounds like frustration got the better of you here. I can relate, having lived with a lifelong mood disorder (ironically, I have found that this disorder is best treated with mmj concentrates lol).

If you do not get SKY HIGH from your first dab, I can unequivocally confirm that something has gone quite wrong! Either the concentrate was bad or your technique and/or equipment were.

Let me intimate my early experiences learning to produce shatter (where I live, there's no concentrates available, legally or illegally!). Over the first 3-6 months or so that I spent learning to make hydrocarbon extracted concentrates, I turned the best part of a pound of epic bud (where I live, this cost in excess of $400 an ounce) into varying degrees of awful black slop which tasted like garbage and was full of residual solvent and unwanted plant material. Believe me when I say that the funds you spent in your failed attempts to introducing yourself to concentrates could have been much worse!

However, for the thousands of dollars that I pissed away before I made anything even worth dabbing (let alone before I got to teaching myself to dab with a torch and nail - which as you learned is its own challenge at first), I eventually learned to make extracts of such a high quality (see my avatar pic to the left of my post) as to literally turn my life around - ending an extended absence from work due to illness and allowing me to return more prolific than ever. Flowers never, ever got me this, not from vaping, not from smoking. Flowers (especially when combusted) in fact made it harder for me to function during the day, exacerbating some aspects of my conditions and providing comparatively negligible relief for the majority of symptoms which I medicate for (with the exception of stimulating appetite).

I gotta ask: Did you ever try putting the concentrate you had into your plenty on top of a bowl of buds and vaping at high temp? This would have gotten you sky-high, unless the concentrate was seriously questionable shit.

Ironically, the entry level dab setup (like you got, a nail, a dome and a torch) is very finicky and takes a lot of learning to achieve good results with at first. Every torch/nail/setup has its idiosyncrasies which compounds the difficulty of dialling in the perfect dab technique.

E-nails however are simply the best cannabis delivery method period IME and IMO. I prefer a dab on my silicon carbide d-nail over hitting flowers in my Mighty, vapman or e-nano any day of the week - and all of these are fantastic vapes in their own right! They just don't compare to the flavor, ease of use and dramatically increased effect you get from concentrates dabbed on a perfectly heated, well considered dab setup.

Handling concentrates is very tricky at first, since especially non absolute shatters can become sticky and messy if handled in the wrong conditions or without the right tools (oil slick mats are MANDATORY for budding - pun intended - concentrate users, you need a solid non-stick surface to be able to manipulate oils easily especially while you learn!).

Most pens IMO are shit, tend to overheat concentrates and/or use unsafe/poor materials and are janky to control. This leads to dreadful taste alongside potential negative health consequences. IMO only the w9tech pens are even worth considering (and I've used VB's latest offering and a few other pens from miscellaneous manufacturers, mostly cheap ones that friends have had). But honestly, dabbing is so, so much better. If you ever get past your initial unfortunate experiences, I really recommend that you find a decent e-nail setup.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

I would say the majority of people here, including myself have gone down a similar path, which is why we are now on a site that discusses vaporizers, rather than paid for advertisments in high times magazine. At least you didn't waste $100 on a pen that could be put together for ~$20, which died 10 days after purchase.

If you have any sort of tolerance, the little wax pens will probably not get you high. They are essentially little one hitters. You need something more powerful. Also, hash oil sticks to EVERYTHING once it gets warm or is decarbed a bit. Dabbing takes some practice too. I would have saved all that wax to consume in edibles. Along with practice, you might want to try some different extracts.

Good luck! Enjoy your buds, too.

Thank you brother! That's exactly what I loved about this site was the wealth of information! I smoke in the evenings.. every day every week. If my tolerance has anything to do with it.. i'd be surprised. At the same time you might very well be right..

I even put the shatter in the freezer for 5 minutes.. I just don't understand how messy this shit was.. Lava soap and iso... man

Having a fit a range like that isn't me.. haven't felt that angry since i was 16.. 41 now. I was just so upset at the thought of wasting my money again.

 

[Chezgreendream]

I am in no way a dabbing expert, in fact I have never seen wax/shatter or dabbing in real life, but it sounds to me that you are just going through a learning phase. This reminds me of when some people the first time they smoke MJ dont get high and its because they are not doing it right. Then when they figure it out, they get blasted out of their mind.

Ive had a similar type of experience when I was learning to vape and make edibles. As @herbivore21, mentioned, you only get better with persistence and time. At first you will fuck up just like everybody else. I think first you have to get over the fear that you will lose or have lost money and just chalk up your losses in the name of science.

Remember a failure is not an absolute failure. There is much to be learned by failure. It gives you a chance to take an alternate route or revise whatever you did that did not go your way. Remember to change the variables one by one and not all at the same time, so you throw out what is useless and keep using what works. Maybe you havent found the method that works best for you. Maybe the quality of the product is not all that great. Maybe you just need to tweak and perfect your technique. Just be careful not to put your heath at risk, thats why you do homework with research and stuff.

Like I said I am no dabbing expert, in fact I have never seen a dab in real life and I will probably stay away from it since I have heard that it makes your heart race and flutter and I already have a fast heart rate, so it would probably make me uncomfortable, but I dont knock the people that do it. If it works well for them.

I have seen in videos, people that drip wax/shatter onto pen coils and it seems efdicient and easy to do, its called dripping. Just melt and drip on the coil, attach the mouth piece and do your thing. at least thats what it seems that they do. Believe me, I need the dummy edition of everything I am trying to learn, but this method seems almost fool proof and This caught my attention.

I think we are always trying to chase that first high feeling. I used to love the feeling of getting smoked out, which I dont even get anymore, but I always keep chasing that perfect high.

If it makes you feel better, I have wasted close to a gran trying to find the vaporizer that works best for me. In anger and frustration as well, I have thrown out perfectly good vaporizers in the garbage and dissapointmenr settled in, but then I came across my e nano and I have never looked back.

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

I recently switched from flower to concentrate; and doubt that I will buy flower at all in the future.
I'm in CO, and with a glut of high quality fairly inexpensive concentrate available I will (in theory) save a fair amount of $.
I've been tracking intake and $ outlay, so time will tell.

I am a noob dabber.
But I would recommend picking up a Nectar Collector / Honey Straw and some medical grade silicon containers for storage and one with a hemispherical bottom for dabbing.

Very easy to control the amount one uses in this fashion.
+ the high is much cleaner and more intense (as well as being more functional).


edit: this set-up is cheap.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that responded. Compared to other communities I've been a part of you guys are not only very mature, and very knowledgeable but you are very understanding. If I left a comment like this over on youtube.. I would have been hounded with hate and "You're a dumbass" comments. I really appreciate the empathy and the understanding as well as this community's ability to accept the live and let live attitude. I know it sounds corny guys.. but thank you for your understanding and not flaming me on just giving up!

Whoa man, it sounds like frustration got the better of you here. I can relate, having lived with a lifelong mood disorder (ironically, I have found that this disorder is best treated with mmj concentrates lol).

If you do not get SKY HIGH from your first dab, I can unequivocally confirm that something has gone quite wrong! Either the concentrate was bad or your technique and/or equipment were.

Let me intimate my early experiences learning to produce shatter (where I live, there's no concentrates available, legally or illegally!). Over the first 3-6 months or so that I spent learning to make hydrocarbon extracted concentrates, I turned the best part of a pound of epic bud (where I live, this cost in excess of $400 an ounce) into varying degrees of awful black slop which tasted like garbage and was full of residual solvent and unwanted plant material. Believe me when I say that the funds you spent in your failed attempts to introducing yourself to concentrates could have been much worse!

However, for the thousands of dollars that I pissed away before I made anything even worth dabbing (let alone before I got to teaching myself to dab with a torch and nail - which as you learned is its own challenge at first), I eventually learned to make extracts of such a high quality (see my avatar pic to the left of my post) as to literally turn my life around - ending an extended absence from work due to illness and allowing me to return more prolific than ever. Flowers never, ever got me this, not from vaping, not from smoking. Flowers (especially when combusted) in fact made it harder for me to function during the day, exacerbating some aspects of my conditions and providing comparatively negligible relief for the majority of symptoms which I medicate for (with the exception of stimulating appetite).

I gotta ask: Did you ever try putting the concentrate you had into your plenty on top of a bowl of buds and vaping at high temp? This would have gotten you sky-high, unless the concentrate was seriously questionable shit.

Ironically, the entry level dab setup (like you got, a nail, a dome and a torch) is very finicky and takes a lot of learning to achieve good results with at first. Every torch/nail/setup has its idiosyncrasies which compounds the difficulty of dialling in the perfect dab technique.

E-nails however are simply the best cannabis delivery method period IME and IMO. I prefer a dab on my silicon carbide d-nail over hitting flowers in my Mighty, vapman or e-nano any day of the week - and all of these are fantastic vapes in their own right! They just don't compare to the flavor, ease of use and dramatically increased effect you get from concentrates dabbed on a perfectly heated, well considered dab setup.

Handling concentrates is very tricky at first, since especially non absolute shatters can become sticky and messy if handled in the wrong conditions or without the right tools (oil slick mats are MANDATORY for budding - pun intended - concentrate users, you need a solid non-stick surface to be able to manipulate oils easily especially while you learn!).

Most pens IMO are shit, tend to overheat concentrates and/or use unsafe/poor materials and are janky to control. This leads to dreadful taste alongside potential negative health consequences. IMO only the w9tech pens are even worth considering (and I've used VB's latest offering and a few other pens from miscellaneous manufacturers, mostly cheap ones that friends have had). But honestly, dabbing is so, so much better. If you ever get past your initial unfortunate experiences, I really recommend that you find a decent e-nail setup.

I appreciate the honesty here. You're right I have to have done something wrong because never went to the moon.. I instead I just shot up above the earth's atmosphere and fell back to earth again. Hows that for an analogy? I have some pics but I have no clue how to post them so I'll just provide the links. If you could tell me how to post pics here that would be great but here is my setup and I wanted to show everyone the nail and dome.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNGE3hVyO21M4e4bFO3AQRpAfrzFTEmJk0eR-Gz
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPwueu89KOUN7q5JM9rP2jNmv1jFaPGmSRp-ihs
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPcPnXCL7_brnLrYggwaLHaKTAyjwsfg5kEyYRC

I still have the other shatter that I didn't throw away and I don't know if I should even try it again on the nail or just combust and dress a bowl with it.. I'm aiming for the later. Could it have been my set up?

It absolutely sucks none of this is legal where you are at and I sympathize with you on doing what you have to do making your own shatter. I on the other hand don't think I have the patience for it but you're right I could have went through a lot more which Is why the buck stops here. However for you.. it's good to hear that you were able to improve your condition... especially if flowers didn't work for you. Glad to hear you are feeling and doing so much better due to your research, money and hard work actually paying off!

I never tried putting wax on the bowl underneath and on top of the herb in the chamber and was afraid to because I was worried about it dripping into the heating unit. The instructions to the plenty are pretty vague but they do say concentrates belong on top of the liquid pad so that's what I did. I was surprised there was no resin on the top screen.. very surprised. I've read through most of the Plenty thread (still not finished) and apparently it has worked for some people to just dress the bowl and put the liquid pad on the top. Maybe I will give it a try with a spec of what I have remaining. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes.

I'm just so put off from losing almost half my shatter on the dab tool, the glass globe and all over anything I touch and I can honestly say.. I have more of a problem handling and cutting off dabs than I probably would If I got the heating of the nail right.

As of this point I agree.. pens never worked for me for store bought concentrates you need to put on the coil yourself. Those disposable vape carts I mentioned work great with no mess, pleasant taste and a very relaxing high.. especially that Eureka Girl Scout Cookies indica.. oh.. how I loved that!

Like I said I have maybe a .5 left of shatter.. let me know if you think I should sell it, try dabbing it again or just putting it in my plenty. I'm not expecting different results but now that you see the kind of nail and dome I have maybe you can tell me if my setup is wrong?

Also is it ok to put the shatter in the freezer for 5 or 10 minutes or does this affect the concentrate in a negative way? Thanks for the insight!

I would say the majority of people here, including myself have gone down a similar path, which is why we are now on a site that discusses vaporizers, rather than paid for advertisments in high times magazine. At least you didn't waste $100 on a pen that could be put together for ~$20, which died 10 days after purchase.

If you have any sort of tolerance, the little wax pens will probably not get you high. They are essentially little one hitters. You need something more powerful. Also, hash oil sticks to EVERYTHING once it gets warm or is decarbed a bit. Dabbing takes some practice too. I would have saved all that wax to consume in edibles. Along with practice, you might want to try some different extracts.

Good luck! Enjoy your buds, too.

Yeah I hear you. I wasn't about to buy an expensive pen like the Dr. Dabber until I was comfortable with loading concentrates and making sure I was getting any effect from them. I'm glad I decided on only getting a battery, an ejuice tank for quitting smoking and a glass dome with atomizer.

As far as my tolerance goes.. I did consider that because I do smoke every evening around bedtime but you would at least think I would catch some kind of a buzz? Maybe you're right.. I've been planning on attempting to cut back my herb use to just the weekends if it wasn't for my insomnia but I need it almost every night. If I do cut back my use to the weekends, I'm sure that would lessen my tolerance over a month's time. I have one friend that dabs.. and even though I'm giving up on it.. I'm still open to going over there and him hooking me up proper on a nice rig and his E Nail!

 

[HomeFree]

It takes so long to keep loading the pens over and over and over again, that by the time you are high, you used up a whole lot more concentrate than if you had done one or two dabs in quick succession, using less than you would have to in a pen, for a stronger effect. So the more you use during a session to reach that intended effect the higher your tolerance can rise. The other part about tolerance is that even at once a day you will be somewhat tolerant and like I wrote those cheap little wax pens are so mild that with any tolerance they just don't really hit the spot.

You can always use it to make edibles or tincture or whatever else you want to do with it (decarb it first). Only throw it away if it is of questionable quality. And there is definitely such a thing as low quality shatter.

But it does sound like maybe some practice in order. Sounds better than throwing it away. And at least eventually you should get high, hehe.. Good luck.

Also, I take it you are in a legal state. Do not be afraid to venture out and try as many dispensaries as possible, at different price points too. I would suggest having a little list of strains you are interested in and get one of those, as well as let the budtender working there that you are trying to find a collective with great bud/concentrate and would like a suggestion for their favorite (helps if they have a similar ailment) so yuo can evaluate their cannabis.

I try to shop around at least every 6 months, but every 3 months would be ideal. It's just costly getting small quantities of stuff from a lot of different sources. Think of it as in investment. There are definitely some diamonds in the rough.

Also, look into QWISO and QWET. Go to skunkpharm research and read up. It is not that difficult.

 

[herbivore21]

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that responded. Compared to other communities I've been a part of you guys are not only very mature, and very knowledgeable but you are very understanding. If I left a comment like this over on youtube.. I would have been hounded with hate and "You're a dumbass" comments. I really appreciate the empathy and the understanding as well as this community's ability to accept the live and let live attitude. I know it sounds corny guys.. but thank you for your understanding and not flaming me on just giving up!


I appreciate the honesty here. You're right I have to have done something wrong because never went to the moon.. I instead I just shot up above the earth's atmosphere and fell back to earth again. Hows that for an analogy? I have some pics but I have no clue how to post them so I'll just provide the links. If you could tell me how to post pics here that would be great but here is my setup and I wanted to show everyone the nail and dome.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNGE3hVyO21M4e4bFO3AQRpAfrzFTEmJk0eR-Gz
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPwueu89KOUN7q5JM9rP2jNmv1jFaPGmSRp-ihs
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPcPnXCL7_brnLrYggwaLHaKTAyjwsfg5kEyYRC

I still have the other shatter that I didn't throw away and I don't know if I should even try it again on the nail or just combust and dress a bowl with it.. I'm aiming for the later. Could it have been my set up?

It absolutely sucks none of this is legal where you are at and I sympathize with you on doing what you have to do making your own shatter. I on the other hand don't think I have the patience for it but you're right I could have went through a lot more which Is why the buck stops here. However for you.. it's good to hear that you were able to improve your condition... especially if flowers didn't work for you. Glad to hear you are feeling and doing so much better due to your research, money and hard work actually paying off!

I never tried putting wax on the bowl underneath and on top of the herb in the chamber and was afraid to because I was worried about it dripping into the heating unit. The instructions to the plenty are pretty vague but they do say concentrates belong on top of the liquid pad so that's what I did. I was surprised there was no resin on the top screen.. very surprised. I've read through most of the Plenty thread (still not finished) and apparently it has worked for some people to just dress the bowl and put the liquid pad on the top. Maybe I will give it a try with a spec of what I have remaining. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes.

I'm just so put off from losing almost half my shatter on the dab tool, the glass globe and all over anything I touch and I can honestly say.. I have more of a problem handling and cutting off dabs than I probably would If I got the heating of the nail right.

As of this point I agree.. pens never worked for me for store bought concentrates you need to put on the coil yourself. Those disposable vape carts I mentioned work great with no mess, pleasant taste and a very relaxing high.. especially that Eureka Girl Scout Cookies indica.. oh.. how I loved that!

Like I said I have maybe a .5 left of shatter.. let me know if you think I should sell it, try dabbing it again or just putting it in my plenty. I'm not expecting different results but now that you see the kind of nail and dome I have maybe you can tell me if my setup is wrong?

Also is it ok to put the shatter in the freezer for 5 or 10 minutes or does this affect the concentrate in a negative way? Thanks for the insight!




Yeah I hear you. I wasn't about to buy an expensive pen like the Dr. Dabber until I was comfortable with loading concentrates and making sure I was getting any effect from them. I'm glad I decided on only getting a battery, an ejuice tank for quitting smoking and a glass dome with atomizer.

As far as my tolerance goes.. I did consider that because I do smoke every evening around bedtime but you would at least think I would catch some kind of a buzz? Maybe you're right.. I've been planning on attempting to cut back my herb use to just the weekends if it wasn't for my insomnia but I need it almost every night. If I do cut back my use to the weekends, I'm sure that would lessen my tolerance over a month's time. I have one friend that dabs.. and even though I'm giving up on it.. I'm still open to going over there and him hooking me up proper on a nice rig and his E Nail!

A pleasure bro, there's no need for any of us to be dicks to you because you had a bad experience when first trying concentrates - we have all been there after all

I can't view your pics, since they are hosted on google and I do not use google accounts of any kind for security reasons (hence can't login to view). You should host your images on imgur.com or similar, these are much easier to share on FC (I think there's an explainer thread in the community section).

Still, I will highlight that it is less likely your setup that was the problem here and more likely the technique. Torching any kind of nail requires that you learn how best to get that surface to the ideal dabbing temperature. Dab too soon when the nail is too hot and you will get disgusting tasting vapor that'll get you high, but also feel like your airways are dying! Dab too late when the nail is too cool and you will end up with incomplete vaporization and your oil gunked through your piece/stuck on your dome/on your nail. If your torch flame is too small (this can be a limitation of the tool itself, rather than technique), it is quite possible that you are not able to sufficiently and evenly heat your nail to vaporize a dab no matter where it is placed on the hot nail. If your torch flame is too large, there is a chance that you could damage the glass joint it sits on or rapidly oxidize/overheat your nail, which will decrease performance over time until it is not reasonable/safe to use that nail. Similarly if you torch the flame for too short a time, it'll be too cool to dab, or too long, it'll be too hot too. As you can see, many variables come into play when you are manually heating a conduction vaping surface.

Still, I gotta point out something that many of you will know is as true of vaporizers as it is of any other tool. If you cheap out, you get a shitty experience, and this could put you off the whole exercise. It seems that you purchased a sub-par 'entry-level' (by the way guys, in vaporizer talk, entry-level frequently translates to 'not worth buying/giving to your worst enemy, move up to the next level') pen to begin with, and due to that, your frustration would sadly be expected. I don't think you'll find this was the issue with your dabbing setup though, this was probably more likely not successful due to the trickier learning curve (don't beat yourself up about this bro, we all have trouble when learning to dab with noone there to help!). Good nails, especially quartz nails for torch only use can be had for very cheap prices

I actually think your ideal way to try concentrates should be to put a complete layer of bud over the entire screen of the Plenty bowl (which by the way is just about the biggest fucking bowl you'll find in a vape lol), then place a few small chunks of shatter on top of this bed of bud. Finally, cover the shatter chunks with another bed of buds above it.

Then vaporize at 400f or so. You'll notice different taste and MUCH bigger/longer lasting clouds. You don't need to dab, nor use pens if you don't want to brother

BTW, you also should not combust oils in a joint or combustion bowl, you're gonna really ruin what could be great material by overheating it here.

Also, please heed what I said about oil slick mats. You need safe, high quality non-stick mats if you want handling concentrates to be anything but a major pain in the ass!

Furthermore, if you have proper shatter (and not just a reasonably firm sap), you don't need a dabber Just break a chunk off by hand and carefully drop it onto a hot nail (this is called bhombing). Same goes for loading the Plenty, it's probably easier to just break a chunk off and drop it in the bowl in between a flower sandwich (or in-between the folds of the liquid pad - that is if it is anything like the Mighty/Crafty liquid pads - rather than on top of it). Remember that you need to make sure your hands are cold/cool when handling shatter so that it doesn't melt to them. If you find a film melts/sticks to your hands when they are super cold still, it isn't shatter

Freezing shatter should not be a problem, but do it in a truly airtight/watertight container. Remember that freezers are full of moisture and especially depending on how your concentrate was made and the kinds of terpenes extracted from the starting material, you might find that your concentrate actually starts absorbing the surrounding moisture into itself!

Finally, one of the major reasons I medicate is persistent insomnia which long predates my taking up use of the herb. I found that whilst flowers could help me get to sleep, they sure as hell didn't keep me asleep. I found that my insomnia was never really completely sorted until I moved onto concentrates - especially long-term cured bubble hashes are exceptional for this purpose! Please do give this a try, you can just mix bubble hash or other high quality hashes with flowers in your plenty too. If you enjoy using the Plenty, no need to change up a good thing

Hope this helps bro, let us know how you go

 

[seaofgreens]

Was reading through your experiences, found it funny and also something I identify with.

Few months back, I made a big batch of butter with trim I had saved for maybe a year, so enough to make maybe 10 grams of shatter. Anyways, I used some, gave away lots of cookies etc. and then the rest just sits there as always, likely to go bad and then I will throw it away. So, this time, I was thinking I was tired of making butter, easy and potent as it is, simply because the shelf life isn't what I want, and I really don't enjoy ingesting as much as inhaling.

Round this time I had been starting to get into this site, and was/am still lurking, reading everything I can/could find about vaporization when I started browsing peoples concentrate stashes, and reading about peoples homemade experiences, so I wanted to give it a shot. Tried 91 iso and some ABV, just strained it through a fine mesh cooking strainer and ended up with, something disgusting. So I tried the same method with 91 iso and some trim, again through fine mesh filter, and ended up with some tarry black sap that I could hold and break apart if I left it in the freezer, but would stick to my hands at room temp.

Next, I start reading more, and invest forty bucks into a gallon of everclear, and a few extra bucks on a little 4x4 10 micron ss screen. I run the gallon with some strawberry kush trim/popcorn and end up with roughly 3 grams of this amber pancake which I can easily hold in my hand at room temp, breaks apart like rock-candy and tastes incredible.

Alright, now I have some concentrate! So how the fuck should I consume it? I have an herbalaire, tried it out, and although I get "something," its just not enough, I want to actually taste the concentrate itself. So I go out and put together a w9tech pen, go to checkout and realize that I still have my credit card sending statements to my parents house, as I had been moving too often for me to bother sending it elsewhere. But unfortunately the website's dumb policy would have sent the pen to my parents house, so I just went into town and bought the cheapest one I could find. First time with an atomizer coil, it works great for a week or so, when I start dicking around with the coils, trying to clean up the cores a bit and I break the atty. Alright, well let me just order a new one... doesn't work on my vv pen. Ok, lets try a different one... also doesn't work. Starting to get pissed, go into town with the unit and just buy some crappy overpriced atty set that works, but I have to use a safety pin to push the concentrate onto the coils almost every time I want to take a small rip. So, here I am, about $60 into just making a bit of concentrate and about $60 on essentially disposable gear I'd rather not have invested in, but am using regardless.

Now I am at a point where I really dig concentrates, but even making them is a fairly cost intensive endeavor, and "good" equipment (as in, can be used for longer than a few days-weeks before becoming trash) is super expensive, as is every freaking vapor related thing.

Now I'm browsing the persei thread, debating on a nectar collector... that bubbler it comes with looks like it would be awesome with my HA or any other vape and.... suddenly I have this VAS everyone is talking about with a strong likelihood of GAS developing in my future... So my advice to you is... escape!

Nah, sorry I went off on a... lengthy tangent. I really meant to just come in to this thread and suggest you make your own concentrate, as I believe you will end up with some stuff that doesn't stick all over your hands, and will truly be amazed/happy that you produced something so tasty. Just make sure you use the information here as resource, and you will not be disappointed.

Good luck regardless

 

[Chezgreendream]

Was reading through your experiences, found it funny and also something I identify with.

Few months back, I made a big batch of butter with trim I had saved for maybe a year, so enough to make maybe 10 grams of shatter. Anyways, I used some, gave away lots of cookies etc. and then the rest just sits there as always, likely to go bad and then I will throw it away. So, this time, I was thinking I was tired of making butter, easy and potent as it is, simply because the shelf life isn't what I want, and I really don't enjoy ingesting as much as inhaling.

Round this time I had been starting to get into this site, and was/am still lurking, reading everything I can/could find about vaporization when I started browsing peoples concentrate stashes, and reading about peoples homemade experiences, so I wanted to give it a shot. Tried 91 iso and some ABV, just strained it through a fine mesh cooking strainer and ended up with, something disgusting. So I tried the same method with 91 iso and some trim, again through fine mesh filter, and ended up with some tarry black sap that I could hold and break apart if I left it in the freezer, but would stick to my hands at room temp.

Next, I start reading more, and invest forty bucks into a gallon of everclear, and a few extra bucks on a little 4x4 10 micron ss screen. I run the gallon with some strawberry kush trim/popcorn and end up with roughly 3 grams of this amber pancake which I can easily hold in my hand at room temp, breaks apart like rock-candy and tastes incredible.

Alright, now I have some concentrate! So how the fuck should I consume it? I have an herbalaire, tried it out, and although I get "something," its just not enough, I want to actually taste the concentrate itself. So I go out and put together a w9tech pen, go to checkout and realize that I still have my credit card sending statements to my parents house, as I had been moving too often for me to bother sending it elsewhere. But unfortunately the website's dumb policy would have sent the pen to my parents house, so I just went into town and bought the cheapest one I could find. First time with an atomizer coil, it works great for a week or so, when I start dicking around with the coils, trying to clean up the cores a bit and I break the atty. Alright, well let me just order a new one... doesn't work on my vv pen. Ok, lets try a different one... also doesn't work. Starting to get pissed, go into town with the unit and just buy some crappy overpriced atty set that works, but I have to use a safety pin to push the concentrate onto the coils almost every time I want to take a small rip. So, here I am, about $60 into just making a bit of concentrate and about $60 on essentially disposable gear I'd rather not have invested in, but am using regardless.

Now I am at a point where I really dig concentrates, but even making them is a fairly cost intensive endeavor, and "good" equipment (as in, can be used for longer than a few days-weeks before becoming trash) is super expensive, as is every freaking vapor related thing.

Now I'm browsing the persei thread, debating on a nectar collector... that bubbler it comes with looks like it would be awesome with my HA or any other vape and.... suddenly I have this VAS everyone is talking about with a strong likelihood of GAS developing in my future... So my advice to you is... escape!

Nah, sorry I went off on a... lengthy tangent. I really meant to just come in to this thread and suggest you make your own concentrate, as I believe you will end up with some stuff that doesn't stick all over your hands, and will truly be amazed/happy that you produced something so tasty. Just make sure you use the information here as resource, and you will not be disappointed.

Good luck regardless

This is a good point, I believe it is wiser that if you dont like something whether it be a service, product or anything you take the initiative and learn all you can about it. Then you when you do it, you do it to your liking. And if you havent gotten there yet, keep perfecting it.

On another note, W9tech, yes, because the Persei has always caught my attention. Now this Vas, that you mentioned everyone talksabout and potential gas.......what is this you talk about?

 

[HellsWindStaff]

Grab a Bernzomatic Propane torch at the store to heat your nail up with; I find that I get worse dab's when using my Butane torch sometimes, because I get impatient and don't heat the nail up enough. The propane burns at a higher heat, and you really only need to heat your nail for maybe 15 sec.

 

[SUIGENER1S]

That's some hard luck, I never dabbed, with that being said I have some good vape oil that comes preloaded in an automizer that is supreme. Since I started vaping it has been life. I can literally vape anywhere. I have played in a poker tournament with some of LAPD's finest vaped right in front of them and they said "trying to kick that nicotine huh?" yes was my reply and was floating in the clouds. I dont know if I can post images of what I use to get some input interested in seeing if any of you guys have the same se ups.

 

[Likes2vape]

Idk maybe your not dabbing right.

If you have a dome and nail set up like this

Here is how to dab.
1st load your dab onto your dab tool, paper clip, etc. and set aside
2nd remove the glass dome and heat the nail until it is red hot I mean glowing red hot
Replace the dome and place your dab on the top of the nail while hitting it.

Cough your ass off and repeat!!

Sorry if you already know this but it took me a bit to figure out how to dab. I don't hang out with youngins anymore so dabbing was totally foreign to me, I had no idea how to use a dome and nail and it took me a couple goes to get it right. The 1st time I heated the nail I left the globe on!! I also wasn't heating the nail enough at first.

One thing I've figured out is I can use my hand to cover the hole in the dome and use it like a carb cap. It really helps vape everything off the nail.

 

[herbivore21]

Idk maybe your not dabbing right.

If you have a dome and nail set up like this

Here is how to dab.
1st load your dab onto your dab tool, paper clip, etc. and set aside
2nd remove the glass dome and heat the nail until it is red hot I mean glowing red hot
Replace the dome and place your dab on the top of the nail while hitting it.

Cough your ass off and repeat!!

Sorry if you already know this but it took me a bit to figure out how to dab. I don't hang out with youngins anymore so dabbing was totally foreign to me, I had no idea how to use a dome and nail and it took me a couple goes to get it right. The 1st time I heated the nail I left the globe on!! I also wasn't heating the nail enough at first.

One thing I've figured out is I can use my hand to cover the hole in the dome and use it like a carb cap. It really helps vape everything off the nail.

Whoa whoa whoa whilst most of this is accurate - do not dab when the nail is red hot, it needs to cool down for a solid 30-90 seconds depending on the nail!

 

[Likes2vape]

By the time I place the dome on and grab the dab the nail is no longer red hot. I found if I didn't get the nail glowing red by the time I went to dab the nail wasn't hot enough. Even now if I stall for 5-10 seconds the nail isn't hot enough and wax just runs over the sides of the nail instead of vaping off. This is a glass nail btw ti nails are probably different but idk.

Edit: here's a pic of the nail this thing just does not hold heat.

 

[thisperson]

Going to echo and say the first dab is bliss. It's such an overload of thc. You really should have gotten blown.

Something you should have been told or should have intuited is that shatter doesn't stay shatter because it's not shatter (not really). Shatter is stable at room temp. I've gotten that. I've also gotten the gooey stuff you described. It's not the same and whenever I get it I treat it by putting it into the fridge and then putting into silicone containers for dabbing purposes.

You should try a silicone container next time if you decide to ever try it again. Ideally you should have a friend who shows you. The first time I dabbed ceramic I took a large dab and was like, "gonna get so high." Well I didn't torch it long enough and ended up puddling most of it to be torched off later.

You should consider an electric nail. No torch, just a digital temp control and nail. I want one of those but I'm used to a torch now. It's the best smoking experience. I still smoke flower sometimes, but I can't imagine giving up dabbing, whereas I can see giving up flower. It really is that great.

You should give it another try. Get a mentor or something. Someone to show you what to do.

 

[herbivore21]

By the time I place the dome on and grab the dab the nail is no longer red hot. I found if I didn't get the nail glowing red by the time I went to dab the nail wasn't hot enough. Even now if I stall for 5-10 seconds the nail isn't hot enough and wax just runs over the sides of the nail instead of vaping off. This is a glass nail btw ti nails are probably different but idk.

Edit: here's a pic of the nail this thing just does not hold heat.

Oh definitely man, glass nail is a very different story from other materials, fair play

 

[weenstoned]

I would suggest getting a Quartz banger as they're a lot simpler to dab from than other nails. Basically just heat the bottom of the bucket till red hot then wait (a timer or timer app helps), then either drop your dab in the bucket or use a dabber. Then use a marble or basically anything flat and glass to cover the bucket to carb cap it.

Here's the one I use when I am not using my enail. I know you have already blown a bunch of cash, but it's only another 14 bucks and should be super easy to use. http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/3mm-thick-quartz-banger-nail-female10mm-ground/233827551.html

 

[2clicker]

@Socks And Sandals... i am sorry to hear of your troubles youve had venturing into the wonderful world of concentrates. i certainly have spent my share on equipment, but my experiences have been the complete opposite. from your post... the ONLY thing i can think that would cause these problems is the errl itself. please do not take offense to that, but nothing else makes sense really.

what part of the country are you in? if yer ever in STL let me know. ill hand you a device you can simply hit the button and get massive rips from that will knock off your sox... and sandals.

btw welcome to FC!

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Ok in order to catch up.. I'm going to have to be short and brief with the replies until tomorrow. I had no idea about the character limit per post. Sorry if I don't get to everyone but will certainly try to over time. I just not a huge fan of multi-quoting. Big props to all of you that actually responded to what in many other corners of the internet would be considered a whining thread. I can't emphasize enough how much of a night and day difference this community is in comparison to others. Anyhow let's get on with what I can take care of today..

@Chezgreendream

I understand where you're coming from but I need to consider the fact that this is just too much for me to have to deal with. Even in "the name of science" as Walter White would say! Maybe I'll only dabble in hard concentrates... anything that isn't a waxy gooey mix. I hope I don't run into trouble making edibles with my ABV. My first attempt.. had the whole house smelling. Hope it doesn't happen again.

Thanks for the words of encouragement and yes I know there is a lot to be learned from failure.. Not just here but in every aspect of life. If you ever do get around to dabbing you may or may not see what I'm talking about once that stuff gets on your hands.

@HomeFree

I have to be honest with you on this one HomeFree. I've never had to reload my wax pen.. because even now the shatter is stuck to the sides and the coil and never works anyhow.. I'd love to show you a pic but I haven't found a good pic uploading site. I really wish FC let us just upload from our computers and not through a hosted link.



@herbivore21

The pics where from my google photos. Privacy issues aside.. I use a chromebook so it was worth a try I thought. I'll check out imgur.com or flicker. Really wish we could just upload from our computers and not from a hosted site. I'll check out that explainer thread in the community section real soon. I need to get familiar with all the abbreviations as well.

I gotta agree with you.. Most of it probably falls on my technique rather than the equipment. I basically only bought a glass elbow piece, a glass globe, titanium nail and scorch torch for the dabbing and only a glass globe and 3 piece atomizer set for my standard EgoCTwist battery.. still have no idea what Ohm's it is either.

I only ended up spending $69 on everything. Had a bought a rig instead.. at the minimum I would have spent $25 more if not $80 or higher. After the experience I had, I'm glad I didn't and was worried about getting a rig because to be honest.. this was just to try dabbing for the first time ya know! Oh, and believe me, I'm a firm believer of getting what you pay for as well. It's like anything else in life.. a bigger initial investment not only gives you better results but better results in the long run. I could use a cheap $5 50 foot garden hose my GF bought that kinks like crazy. Lets just say I took it back and spent $20 for something I can actually roll up and doesn't kink. I totally relate bro!

Regarding what you said about the Plenty.. How big is that SOB? I know for sure a .8 doesn't even fill it to the rim!!! It's gotta be at least a gram or 1.2 tops I'd say? Anyhow I actually tried a spec on top of the liquid pad and actually got a few vapes off of that but they were short lived. If I ever get some harder and easier to manage concentrates like crumble I'll consider the sandwich method you described of a shallow layer of herb with the (meat) concentrate on top followed by another layer of herb and the liquid pad. My only question is.. when I put that shatter on top of the liquid pad it left a nasty stain on the upper screen and clogged it. S&B does say to put on top of the liquid pad but yeah I know.. I've read some more of the plenty thread and people are saying they get better results with your method and even using cotton! Anyhow are you sure the concentrate isn't going to seep under that thin layer of herb and into the heating element? That's the only thing that concerns me.

You also mentioned that I shouldn't combust oil? I was going to bring this up next because I have 2 spent disposable oil vape cartridges (Eureka and Monkey oil) that still have visible oil inside of them. I've been saving them till I spoke to someone here on the matter because If i can't open them up.. I would have to lightly baby tap them with a hammer until it breaks just enough to collect the oil. Not looking forward to this if I have to get my hands dirty but there is a lot of oil left in my Eureka Tank that the wicks just won't suck up. I really need to figure out what to do with my ABV and what's left of any spent disposable vapor tanks but maybe we can get to that eventually. Anything related to the Plenty.. Id rather keep over there though.

And.. holy shit.. Those oil slick mats have their own website! I'm reading up on these as well as their concentrate collectors as soon as I'm done replying here but yes.. very cool stuff!

So it is ok to throw shatter or any concentrate into the freezer for 5 or 10 mins before handling and air tight right?

Insomnia sucks.. I used to take trazodone every night for 4 years until I got my Medical MJ licence here in California. The thing about Hash and throwing it in my plenty is well.. I'm scared to. I'm really much more of a noob then you might think. Someone told me you couldn't vaporize hash and those MOONROCKS either? I totally take your word for it but you gotta remember... you're talking to someone that doesn't even understand the basics of storage (other than an airtight jar) curing, how long flowers stay good for, how to collect vaper resin (if I wanted to) and Reclaim (seems like an extreme hassle to me) and even the differences between hash. When you say bubble hash the first thing that comes to mind is the Trailer Park Boys and how they had an entire driveway made of bubble hash! I'm sorry but I still can't ever get over that!

Ugh... I still have so much shit to learn and with my busy schedule and my obligations it's going to take some time. Thanks for all that great advice bro.

 

[seaofgreens]

Bubble hash is cold water trichome separation through several screened bags which get finer and finer as the mixture progresses through the bags. The resulting collection is referred to as bubble hash. This is further classified into melting categories (full, partial, non melt) bubble hash.


also, imgur is about as simple as it gets for posting pictures. Just upload, copy/paste the bbcode it gives you and boom. Done.

 

[macbill]

I use "Goof Off' to clean hands or tools gunked up by concentrate. Any petroleum distalate will do. Hope you have better luck.

 

[DabComa]

Damn @2clicker beat me to it...

I am also under the influence that your problem is your concentrate supplier... Unless it was around 120°F outside "shatter" , at least true shatter, should never perform physically as you've described... Leading me to believe that the product itself was of poor quality... It's called shatter for a reason, it should break similar to a jolly rancher. One of the best judgements of quality by eye is opacity... Can you see through it. If not , it's garbage, generally, as a rule of thumb for flower ran material, now, if you use trim ran material, it's a whole 'nother beast, it can come in with a tinge of green or brownish, at which point you have to revert to the torch test, where you put a dab on the end of a dabber and hit it gently with the flame from a torch, if it sizzles or you get fireworks, you got bad shit, ideally your looking for a clean smooth melting action.

As others have mentioned, dabbing is absolutely a technique. You have to learn to properly use the setup that you have... And ironically enough, a dome and nail is one of the hardest setups to use because the nail is small and thermally doesn't act well, so it will heat up fast and cool down faster, on top of that, if you put too much material on the dabber and put it on the nail too fast, the majority of your material will melt down the nail and not vape. For new people I would highly suggest titanium domeless nails, purely for there simplicity. They are heavier and thus thermally conduct better, so while it takes a little longer to heat (~20sec.) it will hold its heat longer, and being domeless, allows for better accommodation of dab size , as generally, product loss due to runoff is almost null and void.

A pen, is simply for portability, those who don't want to carry a torch and rig, say like in a state that carries a mandatory minimum of 5 years per gram of concentrates ( * cough * NY ). While it won't offer that out of the park feeling of a properely capped rig dab will, it will still do the job, and offers extreme discretion, which for obvious reasons is very appealing to many. It's simply just your out and about setup. The rig is where it's at. As others suggested, your goal, shall you try again, is to go for something, anything, quartz , glass, titanium, Domeless is key. It's much, much more friendly for novice users. After that, find somewhere else to get your goods, or just sit down with a little vape one evening, and read some of the threads here on doing runs, and different techniques, you could easily make your own product, just as long as you heed each and every single warning, you will have nothing but smooth sailing and clean product.

And as for people hating, that's definitely not this site. This is an amazing community to be a part of with extremely friendly and knowledgeable people who are more then willing to help out any fellow vaper in need.

It truly is awesome to be part of such a wonderful community, and hopefully you come back around and give concentrates a shot, I don't think you'll be disappointed once you figure out what's going wrong

 

[stressed]

i'm in a medical pot state and i keep looking into concentrates but haven't bought any yet. i used to sell honey oil back in the 70s. great tasting gold and red oil. it would come in little gram bottles. i'm assuming some of the oil available today is the same type stuff (??). after looking into pens and the torch and nail set up (NO FREAKING WAY!!!), i've been thinking, i'll just try the good old fashioned way.

reading this thread, i'm no longer interested in trying a pen or anything else that is finicky. i'm allergic to throwing money away. i'm like the OP, i'll end up throwing that shit out and yelling it at!

we used to use glass pipes. smaller versions of what they call crack pipes these days . just heat the bottom of the bowl with a lighter or lightly torch it from above. although i'm sure the nail way is better, hash is hash and it used to get us pretty loaded. i'm assuming it would work on shatter and wax too. right?

we'd just use a sewing pin to dip into the bottle, then heat the pin to drop the drop into the bowl and then fire it up.

i prefer flowers but i would like a little hash, other than my kief (dry ice hash method), for important stuff like sci fi movies or rain or dust storms. i'm in arizona. you need to see a haboob coming at you when you are baked. 1500 to 10,000 foot high wall of dust coming at you like a wave. it's excellent.