i also want to buy a new portable... i didn t own on of these you mentioned... But as far as i read the fc forum... i can tell you that the ff isn t real discreet and i think also bulky and more weigthty... but if you want to use it at home or in your garden the taste and vapour should be really good and you have a learning curve for the ff to use... (i have the cera LL i can also recommend for that)...and the ff needs also a lot of cleaning... the pax is descreet, smaller but its an conduction vape (ff is convection) which means your herb is cooked all the time (and therefor the taste should be not up to the ff) you have a big oven where you can load a lot of your herb (0.3g)(but you don thave to (0,1g)- there are tricks) you don t have a leraning curve also... but you have to clean it a lot to enjoy it (pax)... also i have read that there is a draw resitance... but as i have seen on videos the pax can produce fat clouds... the indica should be similar to the pax but withaout the cleaning...but its very new so maybe there will be some bugs (also i personally like the design of the pax more --> discreet, then sucking on a zippo in the public) i want a discreet small portable vape which produces good clouds, where a bowl last long, which is efficent, and tasts also good... but i think there will be some tradeoffs there isn tstill a perfect portable vape on the market which fits all these points in my opinion... So i am deciding between the pax and the indica (because of descreetness and portability)... if someone can help me to decide me i would be very happy tooo