Struggling to give up combustion

[rustypeb]

Hi all, hope this is the right place to post.
A bit of history I gave up cigs almost 3 years ago with ecigs and have been wanting to quit smoking bud too (I mainly use a shotty, a Bong with down stem you plug with backy then put your bud on top. Horrible I know but can't stop it) I have currently got a eq with ddave mods and a arizer air I love using both but can't get hits anything like the shotty or it takes too long. Also to add I am a fairly heavy smoker I think and smoke about a oz a month. Would love to switch to just vaping but struggling to give up combustion any tips would be greatly appreciated?
Thanks
Rusty

 

[CalyxSmokr]

glad I did not have this problem. I found vapor way superior to smoke right away.
If I were you...I would quit smoking bud for 5 days and then go back to eq and air only. And of course cigarettes are a death sentence

 

[phattpiggie]

So if I read it rite you put backy under your bud and smoke both. If that's correct you haven't quite quit smoking tobacco. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you can't turn to vaping full time is due to the lack of nicotine.

 

[rustypeb]

Thanks for your reply, I do really enjoy vapour just currently find it the long way to get to where I need. Will have to think about that the thought of stopping weed even for a day or so scares me if I am honest, have gone through a few addiction and mental problems recently and bud is the main thing keeping me together at the moment just want to use it a healthy way. Yeah I know that thankful cigs were easy to give up and haven't had one for 3 years tho still using backy with bud maybe that's why and I need to up my nic on my ecigs have almost dropped to zero nic recently.

That's right phattpiggie the backy doesn't get completely burnt it pops before then but does burn a bit. I have also been using ecigs so still getting nic tho that has dropped recently.

 

[CalyxSmokr]

sorry I didn't read close enough. answer stands though. or just vape anyway. It took me a little to get used to the 10 minute cycle on the Air. It isn't instant gratification that is true. fuck combustion
I started with an e-nano. If you are home there is no more instant gratification if it is warmed up.

 

[rustypeb]

That's ok, thanks am getting to the point now where I think I just have to force myself to do it and chuck all my combustion stuff away sure once I get over the first day or 2 it will get easier and I can enjoy a clean high and taste. Will see how it goes.

 

[psychonaut]

Can give concentrates a try. You would need a nail and torch and hair straightener (if you gotta harvest your own rosin.) Best of luck, I would say stick to the higher temps as that's what my stepson did to help cut back on combusting.

 

[Stevenski]

Hi all, hope this is the right place to post.
A bit of history I gave up cigs almost 3 years ago with ecigs and have been wanting to quit smoking bud too (I mainly use a shotty, a Bong with down stem you plug with backy then put your bud on top. Horrible I know but can't stop it) I have currently got a eq with ddave mods and a arizer air I love using both but can't get hits anything like the shotty or it takes too long. Also to add I am a fairly heavy smoker I think and smoke about a oz a month. Would love to switch to just vaping but struggling to give up combustion any tips would be greatly appreciated?
Thanks
Rusty

You are halfway there bro. I know better than most how hard it can be to separate the two as they a remarkable synergy & create a compulsive re-dosing frequency. Simply put it is difficult to make the adjustment & luckily you have managed to quit the ciggies already & for a sustained period. What is important is you have all your bases covered when it comes to replacing smoking & they are the exact tools I used to quit smoking.

It reminded me of a post I made in this thread How many TRUE combustion-fuckers? but the key part was...

I remembered how I used to hook up the EQ to a bong. What that meant was I could vape 2 EQ elbows & smoke a big fat bowl & gradually reduced my bowl size & started to learn to enjoy the vape high . I will add that was through separate watertools.

Follow the below steps & you will be headed down the right path without doubt

• Make sure you have two watertools so there is no cross contamination between vape & combusting
• Set your EQ at 260c & run the fan for at least 20 minutes to warm the glass
• Reduce temp to 230c & elbow pack your DDave basket with .1 or so
• Hook it up via whip to a clean watertool
• Pull slow & steady to see if you can get it really milky
• Once milked clear like you would a bowl (better yet try & finish in a single rip)
• Repeat with a new basket & then have a small shotty (reduce your shotty size over time)
• Enjoy the cleaner vape high (trust me you will learn to love it)

Would I lie to you?

So if I read it rite you put backy under your bud and smoke both. If that's correct you haven't quite quit smoking tobacco. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you can't turn to vaping full time is due to the lack of nicotine.

Oh it is. Trust me on that. The worst thing was when I started smoking Aussie style mixes but smoking ridiculously huge American style bowls in the .5 range in 1 or 2 monster hits. All that achieved was doubling my consumption. Go me

 

[Tommy10]

Little left field, but drop of Nic juice through the bong in either vape?
nicotine free juice (aka everything legally sold over the counter in Aus) works for big clouds, with the Nic it could help with the spin problem. Got 4 mates who bought vapes ( 3 VC's and a vapman so good combustion to vape options... When not addicted to nicotine) and all still spin and smoke, one friend lent her the airier last week both her and her girlfriend have always smoked green, bought their own already and pretty much FC'ed.
I'll combust spun bongs on the weekend with friends, and the craving to keep doing so is real. Doing so full time and trying to stop cold turkey would be very hard.

If you are still vaping Nic in your e-pen, give a drop a go samdwhiched between some bud in your air! Can confirm it works great in a solo, but still long session. The little Nic hit could be the solution though.

 

[rustypeb]

Can give concentrates a try. You would need a nail and torch and hair straightener (if you gotta harvest your own rosin.) Best of luck, I would say stick to the higher temps as that's what my stepson did to help cut back on combusting.

Thanks, yeah do have some concentrates but do seem to prefer bud more tho that could just be the concentrate, being in a rural part of the uk the only concentrates I have tried are made by me from trim mainly. Thanks will be trying higher temps I think.

You are halfway there bro. I know better than most how hard it can be to separate the two as they a remarkable synergy & create a compulsive re-dosing frequency. Simply put it is difficult to make the adjustment & luckily you have managed to quit the ciggies already & for a sustained period. What is important is you have all your bases covered when it comes to replacing smoking & they are the exact tools I used to quit smoking.

It reminded me of a post I made in this thread How many TRUE combustion-fuckers? but the key part was...



Follow the below steps & you will be headed down the right path without doubt

• Make sure you have two watertools so there is no cross contamination between vape & combusting
• Set your EQ at 260c & run the fan for at least 20 minutes to warm the glass
• Reduce temp to 230c & elbow pack your DDave basket with .1 or so
• Hook it up via whip to a clean watertool
• Pull slow & steady to see if you can get it really milky
• Once milked clear like you would a bowl (better yet try & finish in a single rip)
• Repeat with a new basket & then have a small shotty (reduce your shotty size over time)
• Enjoy the cleaner vape high (trust me you will learn to love it)

Would I lie to you?

Oh it is. Trust me on that. The worst thing was when I started smoking Aussie style mixes but smoking ridiculously huge American style bowls in the .5 range in 1 or 2 monster hits. All that achieved was doubling my consumption. Go me

Thanks mate, yeah not sure what it is even when having a vape session I still reach for the shotty.
Thanks will have a read throw that thread too once I fin work.
That's great thanks so much haven't used my eq really since getting the air but will get it out tonight and try your method I do have a d20 bong I think I use just for vapes or a nail so will use that, not been able to cream it up like that tho so hopefully doing it your way will help me get there.
Thanks will let you know how it goes tonight when I get to have a play with the eq.

Thanks Tommy10 I haven't thought of that before and think adding a little bit of nic to the bud might give me what I am missing from the shottys, will have to give it a try after work tho think I will have to mix up some unflavoured e liquid don't think the custard would go with my bud.

 

[Stevenski]

The EQ can reach considerably higher temperatures than the Air & being convection has a different vapour profile compared to a mostly conduction unit like the Air. I would suggest checking out both model pages & reading at least the last 20 pages to make sure you are getting the most out of each vape. There are a heap of little mods & techniques that have been refined over thousands of sessions by the user communities.

I think @Tommy10 might be right. It is impossible to get vapor as thick as a in a large well milked tube but you can certainly get satisfying hits once you revise your expectations. Therefore E-Cig juice would add to the visual plume of vapour & be a significant psychological boost to that feeling of punching a monster one. If you use one with nicotine it may well solve the issue for you.

 

[rustypeb]

Yeah think I have been using the air more as its easier not being plugged in but have set the eq back up on my desk now, let it heat up on 260 for about a hour then had a go on 230 whilst I wasn't getting the clouds like your vid I was getting big almost too big hits for my lungs, I was able to completely use up the bud in my 14mm DDave. Did also try using a little eliquid in one and it did make it a lot cloudier but also made me cough my guts up, think it will take a little getting used too. But so far have only had a couple shottys tonight.
Have been slowly making my way through the air thread tho not up to page 100 yet and it has been awhile since I checked the eq one so will have to check that out.
Thanks

 

[Tommy10]

The higher PG content of E-juice will make you cough. Could make your own out of VG and Nic juice. Or try starting on low temp for a couple hits in the air then crank it up, the coughing effect of the PG diminishes after a few draws.

 

[rustypeb]

I think it was a higher vg liquid 70-30 I think, to be honest I think the coughing was more the fact I did it straight after a big hit any way so my throat was tickley to start.

 

[Buildozer]

@rustypeb

Out of all my vapes, the Supreme 3 (I think it's currently ~$150 US) is the only one that unanimously gets approval from every die-hard combuster I know; IMO that's saying a lot.. about 1/3 of them won't even touch it half the time because they end up too baked to function! I find the Supreme 3 gives a very consistent performance from person to person, and is pretty much idiot proof IMO.. If you feel comfortable using a torch and adopting a new routine around your herb, I think you'll be very satisfied w/ the results/effects of that one.. Personally I love Logs too, A Lot, but the S3 is in another league.. Good luck

 

[rustypeb]

Thanks buildozer, will have to have a look in to it and have a read up thanks for the recommendation

 

[CalyxSmokr]

Yeah think I have been using the air more as its easier not being plugged in but have set the eq back up on my desk now, let it heat up on 260 for about a hour then had a go on 230 whilst I wasn't getting the clouds like your vid I was getting big almost too big hits for my lungs, I was able to completely use up the bud in my 14mm DDave. Did also try using a little eliquid in one and it did make it a lot cloudier but also made me cough my guts up, think it will take a little getting used too. But so far have only had a couple shottys tonight.
Have been slowly making my way through the air thread tho not up to page 100 yet and it has been awhile since I checked the eq one so will have to check that out.
Thanks

for the Air: fine grind, let it dry out a few days, and pack just slightly but not firm in the bowl. I use an upside down screen and I think maybe it extracts better with that but makes bowl size smaller

 

[Buildozer]

Thanks buildozer, will have to have a look in to it and have a read up thanks for the recommendation

Here's a great introduction video made by a long time FC member @IAmKrazy2
I typically end up at higher temps than he does.. sometimes I just start at my top end temperature, some times I start low and step the temperature up, but I always finish somewhere between 190C-205C.

EDIT: forgot to put the video in!

 

[subway13029]

I second the supreme3..it is a true beast!!

 

[CuckFumbustion]

Hi all, hope this is the right place to post.
A bit of history I gave up cigs almost 3 years ago with ecigs and have been wanting to quit smoking bud too (I mainly use a shotty, a Bong with down stem you plug with backy then put your bud on top. Horrible I know but can't stop it) I have currently got a eq with ddave mods and a arizer air I love using both but can't get hits anything like the shotty or it takes too long. Also to add I am a fairly heavy smoker I think and smoke about a oz a month. Would love to switch to just vaping but struggling to give up combustion any tips would be greatly appreciated?
Thanks
Rusty

Follow the below steps & you will be headed down the right path without doubt

• Make sure you have two watertools so there is no cross contamination between vape & combusting
• Set your EQ at 260c & run the fan for at least 20 minutes to warm the glass
• Reduce temp to 230c & elbow pack your DDave basket with .1 or so
• Hook it up via whip to a clean watertool
• Pull slow & steady to see if you can get it really milky
• Once milked clear like you would a bowl (better yet try & finish in a single rip)
• Repeat with a new basket & then have a small shotty (reduce your shotty size over time)
• Enjoy the cleaner vape high (trust me you will learn to love it)

Would I lie to you?

Refined my method doing essential 95% of the steps mentioned above and can get consistent vapor to where it is likely that you can take too much of a hit.
Tobacco and cannibus create two types of smoke. One clogs while the other rips open lung tissue. Not a good combo. I would at the very least do them separate. Tobbacco possibly clogging up your vape experience.
Now combustion seems entirely wasteful. Like burning food. Vapor is going to be absorbed differently but you can get the ritual that you might have enjoyed with combustion like say @Stevenski was able to work out.
You have a good machine to try out several things to see what works. check out the EQ thread too.

Other side benefit of vaping - reclaim!

 

[kellya86]

I'm a bit late here to help, everybody has given good advice....

One thing struck me after I quit tobacco, and combustion a year ago.....
And that was..... that the instant rush to the head/satisfaction you seem to get from smoking, is not the effects of thc and it's other cannabinoids.....
It's a mix of oxygen deprivation, carbon monoxide, and benzene poisoning....

Once you remove the polymorphic hydrocarbons from your intake completely, vaping will be satisfying....

The eq was my tool to fuck combustion....

I found it worked because It could produce lung busting clouds, that choked me and made me feel like I had smoked....
I also realised that after 15 minutes, I was higher than smoking ever got me...

You must completely fuck combustion...
Not a quick fondle... full on fucking.....

 

[phattpiggie]

Perhaps you're not finding the vape hit as satisfying because it's all temperature dependent and as such different compounds are released at different temps. Low temps give lite speedy buzzes and high temps are more sedative.
Smoking gives everything at once and whilst some goodness is lost to combustion I never found the hit in a vaporizer even on high temps to give that same feeling.
@Tommy10 mentioned it and I am sure others will agree, if you want that combustion hit then get yourself a Vapcap.

 

[latulipe999]

the instant rush to the head/satisfaction you seem to get from smoking, is not the effects of thc and it's other cannabinoids.....

It's a mix of oxygen deprivation, carbon monoxide, and benzene poisoning....

True ! But you forget the Arsenik !

I've fucked combustion with my Digit-Volcano. A hight temp bag can make you fly, but i have realy nice buzzzzzz with my milked Herborizer.

 

[kellya86]

True ! But you forget the Arsenik !

It gets scary when you start listing them...
Hydrogen cyanide I think is there...
Formaldehyde too I think....

 

[ataxian]

Hi all, hope this is the right place to post.
A bit of history I gave up cigs almost 3 years ago with ecigs and have been wanting to quit smoking bud too (I mainly use a shotty, a Bong with down stem you plug with backy then put your bud on top. Horrible I know but can't stop it) I have currently got a eq with ddave mods and a arizer air I love using both but can't get hits anything like the shotty or it takes too long. Also to add I am a fairly heavy smoker I think and smoke about a oz a month. Would love to switch to just vaping but struggling to give up combustion any tips would be greatly appreciated?
Thanks
Rusty

Do whatever is best for your well being!

When I was a young gun we smoked joints all day long!

As an Adult I only can vaporize.
It's cleaner as well!

Vaporize your herb!
Quit smoking! (anything)

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