strongest strain

[C No Ego]

most l;ikely the strongest would be the land race genetics that thrive in the outdoors! these strains produce the compound thcv which is going to be known as a very good anti-viral remedy... thcv-a too will be great future relief when people awaken more to that type of reality...

 

[Silver420Surfer]

Im assuming the op was referring to the thc content..????

Which we now know is not really indicative of the strength of effects...... at least not the whole story....

Terp profile and other cannabinoids play a big part too....

While in Colorado I found the 15% flowers I had, to be almost as good as the 32%.....
Certainly not half as strong....
I actually preferred the 15% keylime pie to anything....
Damn that was tasty....
I will grow it next, just need to find a good breeder....

Burning Bush is the group behind Key Lime Pie(Pheno of GSC)

Key Lime Pie

 

[kellya86]

Burning Bush is the group behind Key Lime Pie(Pheno of GSC)

Key Lime Pie

Good to know thanks.....
But won't be available to me in the UK by the looks of it..... yet......

 

[EverythingsHazy]

I find it hard to believe that any strain is legitimately producing buds that are 1/4 to 1/3 pure THC. That means in an ounce of bud, you'd be able to extract 7-9+ grams of pure THC crystal. Perhaps 1/4-1/3 of the cannabinoid profile is THC, but of the entire weight, including plant matter, it seems highly unlikely.

 

[kellya86]

I find it hard to believe that any strain is legitimately producing buds that are 1/4 to 1/3 pure THC. That means in an ounce of bud, you'd be able to extract 7-9+ grams of pure THC crystal. Perhaps 1/4-1/3 of the cannabinoid profile is THC, but of the entire weight, including plant matter, it seems highly unlikely.

I dunno, I think it can be quite likely....
After squishing, and reweighing the chip, and rosin, and account for the amount lost to decarb, it seems that it's quite possible for a quarter of the weight to be thc laden trichomes...

It's certainly an achievement that we have to this plant to this state...

 

[C No Ego]

I dunno, I think it can be quite likely....
After squishing, and reweighing the chip, and rosin, and account for the amount lost to decarb, it seems that it's quite possible for a quarter of the weight to be thc laden trichomes...

It's certainly an achievement that we have to this plant to this state...

those are some serious Horny plant Females to produce all that Feminine essence... We are making them hornier!

 

[CarolKing]

I'm having a hard time sleeping. Normally i use an Indica at night but Gorilla Glue works well even though it's a Sativa Hybrid. I have a strain that I buy from Sunshine Farms. It's usually the hardest hitting strain around, this says 27% THC. It's even hard to grind because of how sticky and thick the buds are. One of the reasons I bought a SLX grinder.

I took a long nap yesterday now I'm having a hard time sleeping. Maybe if I vaporize a little....

 

[little maggie]

I usually use indica before bed but wanted to try a sativa since I was on vacation. I went to a couple of dispensaries and couldn't get a pure sativa so ended up with a hybrid called Hawaiian Dutch which listed 28%. I don't know if I just don't like sativas or if it is stronger than I'm used to but really don't like the high. So I'm back to using purple punch and kosher kush which are indicas with somewhat lower levels of thc.

(One place sold me sunset sherbert as a sativa which it isn't but they had a large glass jar of kief they were selling buy the gram.)

 

[PPN]

Fuck I didn't remenber the name but one of my friend which is a very good grower show me a strain supposed to be 32% THC!!! Still not in bloom (outdoor), we'll see that later!

Most of the strains in his garden was totally unknow to me...

 

[BiPolarBear]

For me it's Death Bubba

 

[PPN]

Fuck I didn't remenber the name but one of my friend which is a very good grower show me a strain supposed to be 32% THC!!! Still not in bloom (outdoor), we'll see that later!

Most of the strains in his garden was totally unknow to me...

I quote myself cause I found the 32% THC strain's name... this is the Bruce Banner, is somebody tried to squish/extract from this strain? did you really got a so impressive yield (it might be around 25% with solvents and maybe close of 20% with rosin tek.... at least)?

 

[rabblerouser]

I quote myself cause I found the 32% THC strain's name... this is the Bruce Banner

I've had it from a couple different dispensaries, always tests high. I think the lowest i've seen it was like 27%. But not at all my favourite strain.

 

[Mr.Kite]

I find it hard to believe that any strain is legitimately producing buds that are 1/4 to 1/3 pure THC. That means in an ounce of bud, you'd be able to extract 7-9+ grams of pure THC crystal. Perhaps 1/4-1/3 of the cannabinoid profile is THC, but of the entire weight, including plant matter, it seems highly unlikely.

^^^^ THIS


When a breeder or a lab speaks about 20% THC, its not 20% of the budweight.
It's 20% of the cannabinoids in the trichomes.

c'mon, did you really think 10g of a 20% strain contain 2g of pure THC molecules ?

these compounds are tiny. very tiny.

90% of the bud-weight is water and bio-mass (plant)

 

[invertedisdead]

When a breeder or a lab speaks about 20% THC, its not 20% of the budweight.
It's 20% of the cannabinoids in the trichomes.

There's various ways of testing for potency with a lack of standardization, but generally speaking, If flower is being tested at 20% THC, then it is 20% of the flowers weight.

If the flowers weight isn't being accounted for then it's a concentrate, which is going to have a compounded THC percentage. Plant material dilutes the potency, that's why dry sift from the same 20% flower can easily test at 70-80% THC.

c'mon, did you really think 10g of a 20% strain contain 2g of pure THC molecules ?

Easily! Have you guys ever squished rosin? 2g of THC out of 10g isn't hard to believe at all. Great cannabis is extremely sticky and resinous.

 

[Mr.Kite]

NO WAY !

the main factor for weight in plants is water.
dried or not dried. water and cellulose will easily make most of the weight.

the trichomes (resin) is not equal to THC.
they contain the cannabinoids but also a lot of water and other stuff.

check the mol mass of THC and tell me again that 1g of 20%THC bud contains 200mg of THC.
this is ridiculous.

Rosin is not pure THC.
There is water, essential oils, terpenes and other cannbinoids in there as well.

pure THC has crystalline form.

20% THC Bud = 20% of the trichome's cannabinoids are THC.
Not 20% of the bud-weight.

it's like saying a gin tonic has 38% alcohol.
No, it contains a certain amount of alcohol with 38% purity.
The rest in the glass is tonic water and cucumber.
ok, bad example. but you'll catch my drift.

 

[invertedisdead]

the main factor for weight in plants is water.
dried or not dried. water and cellulose will easily make most of the weight.

Absolutely agree. It's why buying buds by weight is such a bad way to go about it.

the trichomes (resin) is not equal to THC.
they contain the cannabinoids but also a lot of water and other stuff.

Can you link a source that shows that the trichomes contain water? I've not heard of that before.

Rosin is not pure THC.
There is water, essential oils, terpenes and other cannbinoids in there as well.

I didn't say rosin was pure THC, I said that rosin contained pure THC and your numbers didn't seem out of line to me. Are you in a legal cannabis market?

pure THC has crystalline form.

You can extract crystalline THC with a rosin press.

20% THC Bud = 20% of the trichome's cannabinoids are THC.

Can you link to a cannabis analytical lab that tests this way?

If what you say were accurate, a concentrate would test for the same exact potency as the flower. How could a trichome contain 20% thc in a bud but 80% thc in an extract made from the same trichomes unless plant material was being removed from the equation?

Riddle me this - if cannabis testing lab results can vary up to 20%+, if 10g of flower DOESN'T yield 2g of pure crystalline THC, how do we know it was 20% potency to begin with?

 

[Mr.Kite]

Riddle me this - if cannabis testing lab results can vary up to 20%+, if 10g of flower DOESN'T yield 2g of pure crystalline THC, how do we know it was 20% potency to begin with?

i'll answer later.
but this:

20% percent is not a number I question.
I argue that it is 20% of the cannabinoid distribution in the trichomes. 20% off that.
A trichome is loaded with compounds.
One of them is THC.

Not 20% of the bud weight.
I mean, just look at a very frosty bud like the one posted above.
Do you really think that 1/5 of a bud like this ground up is pure thc ?
Not even 20% of this weight are trichomes .
And trichomes weight is not equal to THC weight (content)

THC is a molecule. very very tiny.
again, check the mol mass of THC


I think a testbud is grinded to powder.
then its hydrolytical processed to rid off all unbound water.
Next step resolves most organic plant matter like empty chlorophyll-cells.
What you are left with is a oily mass (thc is an acid aswell)
all compounds get analysed and weighted.
20% of that weight could be THC.

Insight from a breeder or a testlab would be helpful here.


but c'mon 20% weight of a nug are THC molecules?!
never ever.

again, the question is: 20% of what ?

if 1g great bud can be rosin squished into 200mg rosin (thats 20%), if.
than this 200mg would not consist of pure THC.
so we would have 200mg oily residue.
A mix of various compounds. mainly oils.
THC is one of them.
It cant account to the whole amount.

ergo: 1000mg Bud cant contain 200mg THC molecules or fatty acids.
the 200mg (20%) would be the amount the THC is solved in. With many many stuff together.

 

[invertedisdead]

I mean, just look at a very frosty bud like the one posted above.
Do you really think that 1/5 of a bud like this ground up is pure thc ?
Not even 20% of this weight are trichomes .
And trichomes weight is not equal to THC weight (content)

I think you are missing one very critical point which is that the frosty bud above would have already shed 70%+ of its water weight in the drying/curing process. 20% THC in a dried flower would be less than 5% in a wet one. Is that so hard to believe? Many of the trichomes are microscopic. It seems pretty spot on to me and my experiences extracting resin.

Insight from a breeder or a testlab would be helpful here.

via Steel Hill Labs

If you separate the trichomes from the plant matter in the flowers, kief will normally constitute about 1/3 of that total mass – ergo 30 grams of flowers will yield about 10 grams of trichomes. Those trichomes will be about 2.5 times as concentrated in total cannabinoids as the original flower (remember that a small amount was left behind in the plant matter itself).

Of those 10 grams of trichomes, approximately half the weight is made up of cannabinoids/terpenoids, while the other half is structural matter of the trichome itself. Thus, in 30 grams of flowers/buds, one can expect to extract a maximum of about 5 grams of terpenoids (cannabinoids included).

In a some cases, when trichomes are ‘overloaded,’ the ratio of total cannabinoids goes up, such as in a bud containing 30% THC-A, which would then yield a maximum (with ideal heating/decarboxylation) of 19% THC. Kiefing this flower would yield a maximum of about 47% THC. Further extraction/clean-up into a full melt concentration could concentrate this material to approximately 85% THC.

 

[Mr.Kite]

Ok, I stand corrected

 

[shredder]

I think you are missing one very critical point which is that the frosty bud above would have already shed 70%+ of its water weight in the drying/curing process. 20% THC in a dried flower would be less than 5% in a wet one. Is that so hard to believe? Many of the trichomes are microscopic. It seems pretty spot on to me and my experiences extracting resin.



via Steel Hill Labs

If you separate the trichomes from the plant matter in the flowers, kief will normally constitute about 1/3 of that total mass – ergo 30 grams of flowers will yield about 10 grams of trichomes. Those trichomes will be about 2.5 times as concentrated in total cannabinoids as the original flower (remember that a small amount was left behind in the plant matter itself).

Of those 10 grams of trichomes, approximately half the weight is made up of cannabinoids/terpenoids, while the other half is structural matter of the trichome itself. Thus, in 30 grams of flowers/buds, one can expect to extract a maximum of about 5 grams of terpenoids (cannabinoids included).

In a some cases, when trichomes are ‘overloaded,’ the ratio of total cannabinoids goes up, such as in a bud containing 30% THC-A, which would then yield a maximum (with ideal heating/decarboxylation) of 19% THC. Kiefing this flower would yield a maximum of about 47% THC. Further extraction/clean-up into a full melt concentration could concentrate this material to approximately 85% THC.

So if steel hill labs numbers are correct 30~5 that would equal 16.7% return. But on the net its frequently reported that squeezers are getting huge yields of rosin. Then I wonder what's in those big yields? Water? Plant materials? Bull s**t, as in everyone exaggerating?

 

[invertedisdead]

So if steel hill labs numbers are correct 30~5 that would equal 16.7% return. But on the net its frequently reported that squeezers are getting huge yields of rosin. Then I wonder what's in those big yields? Water? Plant materials? Bull s**t, as in everyone exaggerating?

Earlier in the article Steep Hill says "Total cannabinoid concentrations have increased dramatically in recent years, pushing these averages to 12%-16%." which is what I assume that math is referencing. As later in the article when it states "In some cases, when trichomes are ‘overloaded,’ the ratio of total cannabinoids goes up, such as in a bud containing 30% THC-A" that's what I think it takes to get those rare rosin yields, plants super saturated with trichomes.

I've not gotten 30% from any flower myself but I consistently get around 25% return with the Kandy Kush. Yet I squished some big White Widow colas the other day and only got 8% lol.

A lot of people are squishing bubble hash and dry sift too which is where the real yields are coming from.

 

[steama]

For me, the concept of a strongest strain cannot be simply answered if at all. Some of the most fantastic highs I have had have been from moderate THC strains so soothing and laid-back...is this considered strong?

I recently enjoyed some NC Purple Trainwreck where the bud was so saturated with rosin the globs of golden rosin would ooze out when breaking a bud. Seeing this was simply amazing so is this strong? The high was powerful and excellent for about three times when my tolerance would kick in with this strain and I needed something different. I have moderate THC strains that I can smoke every day of the week and still get high from them. Would this be considered strong?

The only way I feel it is possible to get a handle on the concept of 'strain strength' is to have several categories of strength and maybe the top three strains per category.

I have been using cannabis all of my life and the idea of strongest gets more fuzzy the more I partake.

 

[CarolKing]

I really question a cannabis strain with a 30% or higher THC levels. Often times I cannot tell the difference between something that says 30%THC or 20%. I question some of the analytical companies that are doing the work. We’ve had some unsavory companies that have gotten in trouble in WA state trying to elevate the results. Sometimes higher THC levels equal to a higher cost for the weed. So you can see a producer wanting their plants to have a higher THC.

I do know that Gorilla Glue #4 is one of the strongest strains personally that I’ve tried. That was my own perception and not what it said on the container label.

I’ve read that there are different levels of CBD, THC and other cannabinoids depending on where you take the sample on the plant. Every plant has different levels of CBD, THC ......even though they are the same strain. I’ve bought two of the same strain same producer but a different THC level.

 

[shredder]

I really question a cannabis strain with a 30% or higher THC levels. Often times I cannot tell the difference between something that says 30%THC or 20%. I question some of the analytical companies that are doing the work. We’ve had some unsavory companies that have gotten in trouble in WA state trying to elevate the results. Sometimes higher THC levels equal to a higher cost for the weed. So you can see a producer wanting their plants to have a higher THC.

I do know that Gorilla Glue #4 is one of the strongest strains personally that I’ve tried. That was my own perception and not what it said on the container label.

I’ve read that there are different levels of CBD, THC and other cannabinoids depending on where you take the sample on the plant. Every plant has different levels of CBD, THC ......even though they are the same strain. I’ve bought two of the same strain same producer but a different THC level.

Carol, I agree. I think what's being left out is how important terpenes are as to the herbs effects. And to a maybe lesser degree the role of the grower.