I'll look into those! I guess packing it in some cotton could work too, to get it higher up. Would suck to combust that though.
Sticky Brick Labs Vaporizer
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skylarking
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hi everyone, nice site! Anyway, I just got my brick a few weeks ago. I know I'll love it madly if I could just get it to vape. I watched all the various you-tube videos and also tried it like the vapeman does it in his video, but my herb always gets totally black. Could it be the enclosed torch? or the model(without hole in center)?. I can get good hits, but it's not vape. My breathing gets worse. I have Wispr2 and always vape with it. I hate my first post to sound so whiney, but I'm desperate. All reviews have been fantastic. btw, I'm probably 1st person to order it from holland.
almost there
Well-Known Member
Hey friend, sorry u are having such trouble. By any chance are you covering the the top carb in any way? If u consistently get combustion something is definitely off, is your screen clean?
I recommend sending @Slow Draw McGraw a pm, he'll straighten u out. The unit u have without the center hole is the new version of the OG, the hole is cosmetic so it's not the cause of the problem. Try either turning down the torch some or drawing faster. If u have another torch handy give that a try too, I had some problems when I first started and for me it was a torch problem. Good luck, hope to hear how things turn out.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
What torch are you using/what length is the flame? Are you dipping the inner flame into the intake by chance?
skylarking
Member
thank you "almost there" for your reply. I'll try lighting up later and if I have the same problem, I'll send a msg to "slow draw mcgraw"
To answer some of your questions:
I don't block the upper hole, but I use the cork for the bottom hole. I cleaned most of brick's innards, which is totally full of goo and have been using clean screens.(since my stash is kinda low, I'm not vaping as much as I normally would).
I only have the included torch and experimented with the flame, keeping it at low to mid-range and hold it about a inch away from intake head. Also, my butane is near 0 impurities.
Weird thing is that the brick doesn't smell or taste bad, as been mentionedby some people's accidental combustions....just totally black leftovers
I'll try to look for another lighter and laer, when I use my brick, I'll let you know.
To answer some of your questions:
I don't block the upper hole, but I use the cork for the bottom hole. I cleaned most of brick's innards, which is totally full of goo and have been using clean screens.(since my stash is kinda low, I'm not vaping as much as I normally would).
I only have the included torch and experimented with the flame, keeping it at low to mid-range and hold it about a inch away from intake head. Also, my butane is near 0 impurities.
Weird thing is that the brick doesn't smell or taste bad, as been mentionedby some people's accidental combustions....just totally black leftovers
I'll try to look for another lighter and laer, when I use my brick, I'll let you know.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
You said you are holding the flame an inch away from the intake, and are combusting the load. The answer (imo) is not to go from further back... The flame is just much too high, you should be able to dance the tip of the inner flame right around the very top of the intake and be good to go. The larger the flame/farther you need to hold it from the intake just to get a rip, the harder it is to control what's going on/super easy to combust.
Not sure why this is being completely disregarded?
Not sure why this is being completely disregarded?
duff
Well worn
Sorry @seaofgreens, wasn't disregarding your input. It's good advice.
For me the lighter adjustment added an extra level of confusion when I was just starting out with my SB.
For me the lighter adjustment added an extra level of confusion when I was just starting out with my SB.
seaofgreens
My Mind Is Free
skylarking
Member
Sorry, I should have responded to your reply, too....and b.t.w,thanks. I wanted to wait until I had a puff first and then talk about flame and maybe lighters.
So, I just finished with a half filled bowl. I tried out different draws and distances with flame resulting finally in a dark coffee brown( not charred black), so that's etter, I guess. Unfortunately, I can't get vapor flow like esp. Vapeman's you-tube video. So, I need to practice the draws ; and the flames. I might buy another lighter tomorrow.
Hey @skylarking sorry to hear you're having difficulties with your unit. I think maybe I can help starting with a process of elimination. I will ask a few questions and maybe we can get closer to the problem.
1. Has your unit always been combusting or just recently?
2. How high is your torch set and how fast/slow are you drawing?
3. Is your unit combusting on the first hit?
4. Are you stirring between hits?
almost there
Well-Known Member
@skylarking
may I ask who this vapeman is? Does his videos start out with a rooster crowing and he's making wisecracks thru out the video? Does he wear powder blue latex gloves, zaps the intake and nonstop vapor clouds magically appear?
may I ask who this vapeman is? Does his videos start out with a rooster crowing and he's making wisecracks thru out the video? Does he wear powder blue latex gloves, zaps the intake and nonstop vapor clouds magically appear?
skylarking
Member
sorry, he goes by " vapelife x"
he uses a larger screen,placed on the upper rim of bowl, using just enough herb to cover screen. I thought it was one of the best how to/sticky brick vids that I saw.
I got some lovely draws that blew out nice clouds but they were totally scorched.
howdy...I hope you can help me out
answering your questions:
1)it has been combusting from the beginning and pretty much everytime(I don't remember it not combusting)
2)I'm using the enclosed lighter and was using it on it's original setting but tried different adjustments. I'll probably buy another lighter today. Draws: I draw fairly slow until I get a hit. Sometimes, I'd get a beautiful session of puffs but the contents are always black(but not ashy or smelly). I was using wispr2, which is a slow draw and the remaining contents were always a dark brown. It's difficult to describe my draws,lol.....but I'm long time doper, smoked plenty of chillums,etc.
3)unfortunately, yes
4)yep, I stir it alot because I want to see what's happening to the contents.
something else I want to mention: in Sneaky Pete's you tube vid, he shows how clean the glass mouth piece is clean after several uses. Mine gets pretty brown with droplets of resin inside the glass tube.
I hope this all makes sense.
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YungLeaner
Well-Known Member
I think your problem here is not likely with the torch included, which I believe is quite small. I think your problem is the draw speed. Drawing slow is unnecessary and it makes it a worse vaping experience for the sticky brick vapes.howdy...I hope you can help me out
answering your questions:
1)it has been combusting from the beginning and pretty much everytime(I don't remember it not combusting)
2)I'm using the enclosed lighter and was using it on it's original setting but tried different adjustments. I'll probably buy another lighter today. Draws: I draw fairly slow until I get a hit. Sometimes, I'd get a beautiful session of puffs but the contents are always black(but not ashy or smelly). I was using wispr2, which is a slow draw and the remaining contents were always a dark brown. It's difficult to describe my draws,lol.....but I'm long time doper, smoked plenty of chillums,etc.
3)unfortunately, yes
4)yep, I stir it alot because I want to see what's happening to the contents.
something else I want to mention: in Sneaky Pete's you tube vid, he shows how clean the glass mouth piece is clean after several uses. Mine gets pretty brown with droplets of resin inside the glass tube.
I hope this all makes sense.
Think about it like this: a perfectly vaped hit from the torch in the intake would be a consistently applied 400f temperature. 204 Celsius. The consistency is important.
When you draw slowly, the herbs don't get heat...and they get a little heat...and then they get a LOT of heat, all at once. You can get some beautiful hits, but you are FAR more likely to have hot spots, combustion and disappointing vapor production. This is the case for me with my hydrobrick 100%. When my friends learn to use it they always inhale slowly but it makes the vaping experience a lot worse.
If you inhale quickly, the heated air zooms right down the intake and past your herbs, instead of hanging around the herbs in too-high concentrations of heat. The best way to get clouds is to rip the vape hard, like a bong, with the flame positioned normally (you got this part down). If your weed is good, you should get instant cloud production that will nearly choke you out. honestly there's not really a way to have a defective brick and it's all technique.
I will also note that just because your herbs are charred by the end, doesn't mean you didn't vape. Triple negative! Sorry I'm high. My point:
Because the bricks are totally variable temps based on how you torch, it is possible to vape a full bowl, and then continue to vape it, and overdo it on the heat and char.
goodluck
justvapin
Enthusiastic Cannabis Consumer
If you moved your screen to the top ledge, I would move it back. That is a major cause of scorching/combustion. I find the screen works best in the bottom position, not on that top rim.
Vapor_Eyes
taste buds
@skylarking: There's a lot of great advice here. I agree with @justvapin, placing the screen on the top ledge makes it much easier to scorch your loads. It's a fine technique to use, it's just a little more advanced so I would recommend using the stock screen placement until you are more familiar with the Brick and can achieve the results you are looking for.
The torch size is very important, it is basically your temperature dial. If your extractions are too dark for your liking turning down the torch is often an easy fix. With the screen placed on the top ledge you need to use a smaller flame size.
I think you have more of a scorching problem. It is possible to get black or near black ABV without combusting. When you combust the taste and smell are unmistakable. You can even vape your whole chamber at a low temp and then if you mess up your last hit the material will look like it was extracted at high temp even though that isn't exactly the case.
It sounds like you are achieving a dark coffee brown extraction now, which is how I like mine. Keep tweaking things a little bit and you will hone in on the results you are looking for.
My best advice is to change only one variable at a time, for example torch size or draw speed. This will allow you to see how that variable affects performance and help you learn the ins and outs of your Brick faster. Changing multiple variables at a time makes it hard to tell how each change is affecting performance, and the changes can even cancel each other out. For example, if you decrease the torch size and slow your draw speed at the same time you will get nearly the same performance that you did before the changes, and it will make it seem like your changes did nothing.
The torch size is very important, it is basically your temperature dial. If your extractions are too dark for your liking turning down the torch is often an easy fix. With the screen placed on the top ledge you need to use a smaller flame size.
I think you have more of a scorching problem. It is possible to get black or near black ABV without combusting. When you combust the taste and smell are unmistakable. You can even vape your whole chamber at a low temp and then if you mess up your last hit the material will look like it was extracted at high temp even though that isn't exactly the case.
It sounds like you are achieving a dark coffee brown extraction now, which is how I like mine. Keep tweaking things a little bit and you will hone in on the results you are looking for.
My best advice is to change only one variable at a time, for example torch size or draw speed. This will allow you to see how that variable affects performance and help you learn the ins and outs of your Brick faster. Changing multiple variables at a time makes it hard to tell how each change is affecting performance, and the changes can even cancel each other out. For example, if you decrease the torch size and slow your draw speed at the same time you will get nearly the same performance that you did before the changes, and it will make it seem like your changes did nothing.
almost there
Well-Known Member
If you've been combusting since the first day and first draw you might be taking a longer hit than you're supposed to. If you see my vids, if I was to keep holding the torch passed where I usually do I probably would end up combusting. its a combo of draw speed, torch length and how long of a hit you take. Once you see vapor start coming in and gets a little dense, you may need to back the torch off a little or just stop torching. After that stir and start the next draw.sorry, he goes by " vapelife x"
he uses a larger screen,placed on the upper rim of bowl, using just enough herb to cover screen. I thought it was one of the best how to/sticky brick vids that I saw.
I got some lovely draws that blew out nice clouds but they were totally scorched.
howdy...I hope you can help me out
answering your questions:
1)it has been combusting from the beginning and pretty much everytime(I don't remember it not combusting)
2)I'm using the enclosed lighter and was using it on it's original setting but tried different adjustments. I'll probably buy another lighter today. Draws: I draw fairly slow until I get a hit. Sometimes, I'd get a beautiful session of puffs but the contents are always black(but not ashy or smelly). I was using wispr2, which is a slow draw and the remaining contents were always a dark brown. It's difficult to describe my draws,lol.....but I'm long time doper, smoked plenty of chillums,etc.
3)unfortunately, yes
4)yep, I stir it alot because I want to see what's happening to the contents.
something else I want to mention: in Sneaky Pete's you tube vid, he shows how clean the glass mouth piece is clean after several uses. Mine gets pretty brown with droplets of resin inside the glass tube.
I hope this all makes sense.
Vapor_Eyes
taste buds
Great advice as usual @Slow Draw McGraw. I hadn't considered the length of the draw as a factor. Especially as a beginner, it is best to "quit while you are ahead" so to speak and not push your hit too far.
When you get comfortable with the Brick you can try more advanced techniques like @WakeAndVape's higher screen placement.
Even when I use advanced techniques like these I still err on the side of caution to avoid any potential combustion. In my opinion combustion tastes so bad it's not worth risking it for a little bigger hit. Might as well stop, stir, and take another hit...
skylarking
Member
Thank all of you for your patience and advice. I took a break from the brick and just tried to put your advice into practice.... Using shorter draws works better.
Also, I might have not had the flame directly above the intake hole. my husband corrected that and that also helped.(Crosseyed and old eyes)
I'm testing out s'more tomorrow, and let you all know....
Thanks again!
Also, I might have not had the flame directly above the intake hole. my husband corrected that and that also helped.(Crosseyed and old eyes)
I'm testing out s'more tomorrow, and let you all know....
Thanks again!
@Slow Draw McGraw
I was wondering if you might have any tips on vaporizing hash in this unit? Would one of those dosing capsule type things be the way to go or do you have any other tips & tricks that could help?
I have not yet found any very good way myself, beyond getting some insane hits from adding some hash to a herb bowl. Using cotton as a buffer didn't seem to help, but maybe I need more to get it higher up. A bigger flame size could also help?
I was wondering if you might have any tips on vaporizing hash in this unit? Would one of those dosing capsule type things be the way to go or do you have any other tips & tricks that could help?
I have not yet found any very good way myself, beyond getting some insane hits from adding some hash to a herb bowl. Using cotton as a buffer didn't seem to help, but maybe I need more to get it higher up. A bigger flame size could also help?
I would use the concentrate pads from Storz and Bickel. These work well for many that have reported. i would be careful on the flame size as it could get too intense in the chamber. The concentrate pads help in conducting some heat in getting those higher temps for hash and full melts.
Thanks for the advice. I guess I gotta get some of those pads and/or capsules. In the meantime I'll play around some more with cotton as that has been my solution in other vaporizers, if I get some good results I'll let you know!
skylarking
Member
I tried the upper chamber technique thinking that would be simplest,lol.Great advice as usual @Slow Draw McGraw. I hadn't considered the length of the draw as a factor. Especially as a beginner, it is best to "quit while you are ahead" so to speak and not push your hit too far.
When you get comfortable with the Brick you can try more advanced techniques like @WakeAndVape's higher screen placement.
Even when I use advanced techniques like these I still err on the side of caution to avoid any potential combustion. In my opinion combustion tastes so bad it's not worth risking it for a little bigger hit. Might as well stop, stir, and take another hit...
also, "slow draw mcgraw", which video of yours (mentioned in another post) do you mean? The SB lab vid?
Still working on my technique, last night's session was my best one so far, but that might be because I totally cleaned my brick and found that I had 2 screens in the bowl. I thought I dumped the first one before putting in the 2nd one. needless to say, it was jam-packed!
