Splinter v Ghost
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Siebter
Less soul, more mind
floribud
Well-Known Member
First off you asked about the Splinter Z v2. The Splinter Z v1 and v2 are the same thing. The only thing different is the v2 is Blackwood and the v1 is Bubinga. Same rule for the Splinter v1 and v2.
I now have had a Ghost for 2 days and I have had 2 Splinters v1 and v2 for a while. I love my Splinters, they are the easiest things to load and use. I use the 2 screen method to suck the herb higher into the glass stem. Since I started using the 2 screen method (on up top, and then the rimmed one at the bottom to make sure nothing falls out) the quality of the avb is very consistent and it is much more difficult to char the herb or get a hot spot. I do not have a Splinter Z, but I really doubt there's much difference once you load the herb higher in the stem. I liked the trade off of 1) shorter heatup time, 2) shorter height and of course 3) cheaper price of the Splinter vs the Splinter Z. The main advantage of the Z is that you can use 19/22 3d party stems, including some nice cooling stems.
Having said all that there are two main advantages of the Ghost vs Splinter. 1) The Ghost has the best cooling system of any vape on the market. The Splinters XL8R stem cannot match what is going on in the Ghost. Yes you can cool down the vapor in the Splinter with technique and/or TCR, but the vapor path of the Splinter (and every 510 mod) has the heat going straight up into your throat. The Ghost still produces massive clouds, but those clouds are cooled and easier to inhale. It's kind of like having the Splinter + Hydrotube in one compact unit. Check out the VapeCritics review of the Ghost at the 2'34" second point he explains the airpath in the Ghost. 2) The other advantage of the Ghost is the "plug and play" "set and forget" aspect of it. The Ghost does all the heating control for you. With a Splinter you need to play around and learn the device. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you like "playing" with TCR and pre-heating curves the Splinters are an absolute joy. But if you want a device that works the exact same way every time, something you can pass to a friend/spouse and you don't want them to either get a 0 hit or a monster hit that makes them cough for 5 minutes, then the Ghost is perfect.
The Splinter however let's you take pretty monstrous draws in about 3 seconds however. Set it to 35w or greater, press button for 5-6 seconds to pre-heat and then pretend like you're hitting a bong for 3 seconds and you can get a pretty massive instantaneous vapor infusion. You don't have to use it like that... but you can.
Also the Ghost has a "dainty" little mouth piece that encourages a slower draw. The Splinter feels like drinking from a Bubble Tea straw. Having that wide opening sort of encourages me to take a harder draw.
Having said all that I can see myself keeping the Ghost as my main driver. I'm kind of worried that we'll start seeing throat issues developing from people simple sipping all this hot vapor. Drinking of super hot tea, like they do in some parts of Asia and Maté in South American has been linked to esophageal cancer, just from the heat of the water, not any chemicals in the tea. So when I'm at home I usually run my Splinter through a hydrotube. With the Ghost I can go out for a walk and get this amazingly flavorful and cool vapor while enjoying my surroundings instead of paying attention to my vaporizer.
I now have had a Ghost for 2 days and I have had 2 Splinters v1 and v2 for a while. I love my Splinters, they are the easiest things to load and use. I use the 2 screen method to suck the herb higher into the glass stem. Since I started using the 2 screen method (on up top, and then the rimmed one at the bottom to make sure nothing falls out) the quality of the avb is very consistent and it is much more difficult to char the herb or get a hot spot. I do not have a Splinter Z, but I really doubt there's much difference once you load the herb higher in the stem. I liked the trade off of 1) shorter heatup time, 2) shorter height and of course 3) cheaper price of the Splinter vs the Splinter Z. The main advantage of the Z is that you can use 19/22 3d party stems, including some nice cooling stems.
Having said all that there are two main advantages of the Ghost vs Splinter. 1) The Ghost has the best cooling system of any vape on the market. The Splinters XL8R stem cannot match what is going on in the Ghost. Yes you can cool down the vapor in the Splinter with technique and/or TCR, but the vapor path of the Splinter (and every 510 mod) has the heat going straight up into your throat. The Ghost still produces massive clouds, but those clouds are cooled and easier to inhale. It's kind of like having the Splinter + Hydrotube in one compact unit. Check out the VapeCritics review of the Ghost at the 2'34" second point he explains the airpath in the Ghost. 2) The other advantage of the Ghost is the "plug and play" "set and forget" aspect of it. The Ghost does all the heating control for you. With a Splinter you need to play around and learn the device. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you like "playing" with TCR and pre-heating curves the Splinters are an absolute joy. But if you want a device that works the exact same way every time, something you can pass to a friend/spouse and you don't want them to either get a 0 hit or a monster hit that makes them cough for 5 minutes, then the Ghost is perfect.
The Splinter however let's you take pretty monstrous draws in about 3 seconds however. Set it to 35w or greater, press button for 5-6 seconds to pre-heat and then pretend like you're hitting a bong for 3 seconds and you can get a pretty massive instantaneous vapor infusion. You don't have to use it like that... but you can.
Also the Ghost has a "dainty" little mouth piece that encourages a slower draw. The Splinter feels like drinking from a Bubble Tea straw. Having that wide opening sort of encourages me to take a harder draw.
Having said all that I can see myself keeping the Ghost as my main driver. I'm kind of worried that we'll start seeing throat issues developing from people simple sipping all this hot vapor. Drinking of super hot tea, like they do in some parts of Asia and Maté in South American has been linked to esophageal cancer, just from the heat of the water, not any chemicals in the tea. So when I'm at home I usually run my Splinter through a hydrotube. With the Ghost I can go out for a walk and get this amazingly flavorful and cool vapor while enjoying my surroundings instead of paying attention to my vaporizer.
triskelion
Member
The ghost is a Tricky device for me, Splinter too many techniques , not enough performance for me, both good devices, sold them both, just... not for me.
Bazinga
Well-Known Member
Interesting. Did you find the vapor from the Splinter harsh (hot)? Is there another on-demand vaporizer you favor?
triskelion
Member
Harsh and hot if you use the supplied glass, Consistency is my issue, Fastest on-demand portable vape for me is the brick, can't beat a brick in a 3sec race.
triskelion
Member
Non-smokers find it hot though.
Mr. Me2
Well-Known Member
Can you post a picture of the 2 screen method? What do you use for the inserted screen?
bossman
Gentleman Of Leisure
Worth speculating here that the MV1 fire sale looks like a going out of business liquidation. They were trying to charge $299 for that vape with no accessories and now they're selling them for $125 with a crucible dispenser but no option for extra batteries and no assurances that they'll ever have them in stock again? I have no knowledge of that company but Ghost only has that one product.
The Splinter Z is the best portable I've ever used. I love my og Brick too but it's a two hand Butane vape more naturally suited to rapid extraction. I prefer to enjoy the same .3g as two or three Splinter bowls to enjoy precision TC and get big flavor hits over the course of an evening. Maybe the MV1 is great for that too and I hope for the sake of everyone who jumped on the BF sale that Ghost sticks around to support their product or even improve on it.
The Splinter Z is the best portable I've ever used. I love my og Brick too but it's a two hand Butane vape more naturally suited to rapid extraction. I prefer to enjoy the same .3g as two or three Splinter bowls to enjoy precision TC and get big flavor hits over the course of an evening. Maybe the MV1 is great for that too and I hope for the sake of everyone who jumped on the BF sale that Ghost sticks around to support their product or even improve on it.
floribud
Well-Known Member
>>Can you post a picture of the 2 screen method? What do you use for the inserted screen?
how to do the 2 screen method (this links skips right to the relevant part):
I use these screens: https://delta3dstudios.com/hd-basket-screen-bp465-5-pack/ but if you put in a little work you can use any 1 inch screen
how to do the 2 screen method (this links skips right to the relevant part):
I use these screens: https://delta3dstudios.com/hd-basket-screen-bp465-5-pack/ but if you put in a little work you can use any 1 inch screen
Summer
Long Island, NY
Fear not @bossman. I for one have no doubt that they are sticking around. Here's what ghost-ops wrote on the VLF 3 days ago:
"We are working on resupplying battery packs and can assure everyone that we will have these available again as soon as we can - just can't put a date on it at the moment, much as we'd like to.
Thanks
Mark"
Yes, it's very possible that an MV-2 is around the corner & GV is unloading stock ... BUT, for conjecture, it's also possible that the steep price reduction may or may not have anything to do with a new release or excess stock, but simply is to create a solid customer base. Many interested peeps shied away from the MV-1 because of the issues prior to Spring 2018 & the hefty price. Of the peeps who bought during this sale, it appears that it's almost 100% satisfaction.
@bossman, since you love the Splinter so much, I think you should have grabbed the MV-1 at this price because I think you would be very pleased with it.
"We are working on resupplying battery packs and can assure everyone that we will have these available again as soon as we can - just can't put a date on it at the moment, much as we'd like to.
Thanks
Mark"
Yes, it's very possible that an MV-2 is around the corner & GV is unloading stock ... BUT, for conjecture, it's also possible that the steep price reduction may or may not have anything to do with a new release or excess stock, but simply is to create a solid customer base. Many interested peeps shied away from the MV-1 because of the issues prior to Spring 2018 & the hefty price. Of the peeps who bought during this sale, it appears that it's almost 100% satisfaction.
@bossman, since you love the Splinter so much, I think you should have grabbed the MV-1 at this price because I think you would be very pleased with it.
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bossman
Gentleman Of Leisure
Yeah, pretty much as long as they're in business I agree that the BF price was excellent and honestly they'd be following the plan that made me such a Splinter fan since I've purchased all of them with some sort of discount and many have been dramatic like the MV1 deal.
I'll confess to being curious for sure. When I was talking myself out of it pretty much all Thanksgiving break my rationale was that I'd be annoyed with the crucibles. I never took to dosing capsules except a bit with the Mighty, which I've sold. The precise controls are part of the Splinter appeal too but honestly I think you're correct that for Fury Edge money I'd prefer the flavor and portable on demand convection of the MV1 for places the Splinters don't want to go.
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Brewervapesalot
Well-Known Member
Call me a skeptic but I've followed Ghost's thread. They have made only vacuous statements about trying the best they can. When asked pointed questions they flatly ignore them. It's totally sketch. Luckily people will only lose about $125.
2x packs of cigarettes in Oz.
Brewervapesalot
Well-Known Member
2x packs of cigarettes in Oz.
Yeah, it's less offensive to me precisely because at $125, anyone buying a $300 vaporizer (for $125) implicitly understands, or at least is on constructive notice, that either the device or the company will not be around long.
If you asked S&B if they were in financial straights/hardship, S&B would deny.
Ghost remains silent when posed with that question, implicitly or explicitly, numerous times in the last month or so.
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Summer
Long Island, NY
@LesPlenty, don't you mean 2 cartons?
@Brewervapesalot, stop being such a naysayer.
Let's just wait & see how it plays out in time.
@Brewervapesalot, stop being such a naysayer.
Let's just wait & see how it plays out in time.Brewervapesalot
Well-Known Member
^^ lol, I said I was a skeptic 
I have work experience here. Hope I'm wrong, doubt I am.
Edit: And I enjoy your enthusiasm!
I have work experience here. Hope I'm wrong, doubt I am.Edit: And I enjoy your enthusiasm!
Nope, the last 50gram pack of roll your own tobacco cost me AU$78 just over 2 years ago when I was going through a pack every 4 days (one of the main reasons for quitting tobacco).
A friend that still smokes says they now sell 20gram packs for just over AU$40!
I am already enjoying being a Ghost owner even though I have not got it yet, just tracking the jetsetter is fun.
I believe that Ghost will be around for a while even if the MV1 is not.
Clever.
I am in the profil you descripted. Waited a lot about this but quickly run back when i saw the price and the bad buzz.
So, i renounced to ever own one.
But their BF sale changed the game for me. And I'm very pleased to have a ghost now. And i'll still one of their clients for a long-long time.
Flavours are amazing (and this quote is so original)
Bazinga
Well-Known Member
Thank you Bossman, Siebter, Summer, Floribud, etal for sharing your thoughts and comments about the Splinter. I took the plunge and ordered a "package" from Rastabuddhatao. Cole was very helpful. The package includes 2 Splinter Z V2s and a clear XL8R mouthpiece. In for a dollar in for a pound I also ordered a package that has a XL8R and 3 screens. Finally, I also ordered a Reuleaux RX GEN3 Dual Mod device directly from Wismec. All tolled I spent less than the price of a discounted Mighty. After perusing the forums, and noting that the vapor may be uncomfortable for me, I was wondering if a bubbler would be recommend. I have never used a bong and don't think I want to mess with, so that's why I am asking about the bubbler.
I still really like my Mighty.
I still really like my Mighty.
bossman
Gentleman Of Leisure
The Splinter works well with a bubbler and lots of folks use it that way. You'll need that 18/18 adapter and a bubbler with an 18m female glass joint.
This is the one I use most but I've only owned this one and the smaller D020:
https://m.dhgate.com/product/d020-d-9-inches-bubbler-glass-bong-water/244202146.html
I find the long XL8R to be plenty cool enough and not too dry. Also, and I think I've mentioned this before so forgive me, session vapes like the Mighty take more hits to fully extract, so you should end up taking fewer hits for equivalent dosage with your Splinters.
And well done opting for the double ZV2 combo for $149. That's a better deal than any of my four Zs and my ZV2 rivals any of the others.
Since you got two Zs I do suggest you keep an eye out for a suitable DNA or DNAc mod for one of them. The ugly bro Tuglyfe FYT mod I linked in the box mod thread has been a solid performer for me. DNAc mods are even better but they are hard to find and the menus of the color display DNA mods are a bit more fiddly. To change temps on your rxg3d or a standard DNA250 like the FYT mod you just hit the up and down buttons and then hit the fire button to vape. With DNAc mods you have three menu buttons that work like Up and Down with Enter in the middle. So while the fire button works the same, to change the temp you have to use up and down to highlight the temp, press the middle Enter button to select it, then Up or Down to change temp.
If the FYT mod is too ridiculous a second rxg3d is probably the most sensible way to get good performance and battery life from your second ZV2. I make a point of alerting the Splinter threads whenever I see a good DNA mod deal so with any luck one will come along.
Summer
Long Island, NY
@Bazinga, you should have ordered the 2 water adapters sold by RBT ( a 14mm to 19mm & 19mm to 19mm) for possible future bubbler use. For now the cooling stem will more than suffice.
Here's the cheap glass thread for future reference:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cheap-high-quality-bubbler.5255/
Using the water adapter, you can also get away with a bubbler like this:
https://www.puffitup.com/Sipper-Bubbler-Mouthpiece-p/qctq.bubb-curvtop.htm
Here's the cheap glass thread for future reference:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/cheap-high-quality-bubbler.5255/
Using the water adapter, you can also get away with a bubbler like this:
https://www.puffitup.com/Sipper-Bubbler-Mouthpiece-p/qctq.bubb-curvtop.htm
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