Spiritual development through vaporizing

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HomeFree

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there is a demarcation between being frenetically stoned out of your gourd that you can do nothing with and having a contemplative experience catalyzed by cannabis.

Personally I have always enjoyed getting mildly high and meditating or doing yoga to get higher if I want. Feels good, whether the meditation is staring at the wall or playing frisbee or going hiking.

There are many other outside agents I would reach for over cannabis for a psychedelic experience. All could possibly be unpleasant, but the others are a bit more focused.

I am not sure about the ceiling effect from vaping/smoking. I have experienced it myself, with that very same hash that I ate. I'm pretty sure sure dabs get you higher than vaping herb though. I've only done a couple of small low temp ones. Usually I will just put hash oil into my vape or a hash oil pen.

Some strains apparently have a higher ceiling than others. Not sure how that works.
 
The Caveman

The Caveman

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OF said:
Good question, I've never found solid written information on the topic. Otherwise knowledgeable folks have suggested the delay causes you to psychological changes (as it 'creeps up on you') coupled with the longer sustained THC levels in the blood. That is as the sensors clear again (one at a time) they are nearly instantly jammed by another THC molecule (in smoking or vaping tho e level in the blood drops off more rapidly so you can 'sober up quicker'.
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Thanks for the reply, its just interesting because i have always noticed a diminishing return of the high the more herb i vape. So now with a Da Buddha wand pack i usually just take a few hits over multiple sessions instead of cashing the bowl in one session like i initially was doing when i first received the unit. It hits me hard this way and it saves me tonnes of herb.

So OP from my experience if you really want a powerful weed experience edibles may be what your looking for, just be sure that if you do take the edible route that you're careful with dosing as some people are much more sensitive to edibles and they can make you have a very overpowering trip. For example i usually take 1-1.5 gram doses but when i first tried them i just took unknown potency brownies and got too high and felt like shit... I hope u have a good time man!
 
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HomeFree

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yeah, I found that more isn't always more pleasant. Back when that happened I was still very young (very early 20's) and had quite the tolerance. ~2 grams of top notch buds and a half gram of non melt hash along with daily home made edibles around 2.5 grams a day of buds extracted into foods. basically around 7 grams of buds a day if it were to be smoked. Maybe I miscalculated somewhere or the weights were not right. The intense part lasted about 14-15 hours. After that I was stoned for the remaining 12 or so.

There was no cooking in butter for 6-8 hours like with trim, just a quick minute or two heat up to mix it on a hot plate inside of a flask (the hash and butter), mixed it all up, and into the oven they went. Found that 1/4 - 1/2 of those cookies was the perfect dose for me, so .125-.250 grams of hash that was around 50% thc. So 60-120 mgs was a sweet spot for a nice night, up to double that (120-240 mgs) without having a freakout - no two cookies, haha - at least at that strength. Of course everyone reacts different. Compared to some I was probably a lightweight.

I know it is sacrilege but I miss smoking some of that tasty hash from back then. I used to get a fantastic deal. I haven't seen a ball of hash in person for well over 10 years at least. So tasty.

Nothing wrong with wanting to try though. Just be sure to be of sound mind and make sure you have someone who can help you out if you need a ride somewhere.

If you have the patience you could extract some herb and let it naturally decarb over 6-12 months, like what GrowGoddess does. Look her up on here and in general, she has a lot of good info. Something tells me naturally decarbed will be more psychedelic than decarbed by heat, but I don't know for sure, perhaps the main thing is just degree of decarboxylation and turnover to CBN?
 
NorVape

NorVape

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MinnBobber said:
I'd add:

--pick your cannabis strain wisely. After experiencing a huge "whitey" in Amsterdam that was very psychedelic, I looked up the strain on Leafly and there under effects was, may give you a psychedelic effects. It was Amnesia Haze. See if you can get this strain or search for others with psychedelic effects
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Some versions of Amnesia Haze is the most psychedelic strain I've ever encountered. One that was labeled Amnesia Haze #5 was the absolute most trippy herb.
 
grokit

grokit

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HomeFree said:
Something tells me naturally decarbed will be more psychedelic than decarbed by heat, but I don't know for sure, perhaps the main thing is just degree of decarboxylation and turnover to CBN?
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From what I've experienced, and the reading that experience led me to, cbn is not desirable. It's produced by oxidation of thc when improperly cured and/or stored, and can make you feel like utter crap. For me this is the opposite of spiritual development, thc is what gets me there more than any other cannabinoid. I recently acquired a bit of a high-cbn strain that was really horrid, the whole town hated it so it wasn't just me. It came from afar and was passed off as last year's g13 "sativa", when g13 is actually an indica.
 
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crawdad

crawdad

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some of my most spiritually memorable and positive changing/affirming sessions ive experienced had more to do with set and setting (with preparation) and less to do with amounts or potency. i find spirituality to be extremely personal and less about the psychedelic experience and more about self discovery, assistance is helpful but too much and i tend to get distracted.

:peace:
 
DDave

DDave

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The Caveman said:
So why can edibles get me higher than vaporizing/smoking can?
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To use drinking as an example, you keep getting higher over time... like guzzling whiskey... you get a bit drunk in the beginning, and more so over time as your body keeps absorbing.

When you vape, you get the full effect in minutes, with edibles - in hours... that's why many have taken it too far... they eat a cookie... 10 minutes later...nothing... so they eat another... and so on... by the time they feel anything, they are at level of way too many cookies eaten and in for a heck of a ride... from what I've read, can be unpleasant. :goat:

HomeFree said:
Whoops. "Oh please g-man, I promise to be good if you just let me come down".
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This was funny! :clap:
 
stickstones

stickstones

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I googled spiritual growth with cannabis once and found a helpful article. The best tip it gave was to focus on the sensation(s) that make you feel trippy. The more you focus on them, the stronger they seem to get. I've gotten into the lazy habit of hitting a vape and veging out to tv, etc. It's so much more powerful and rewarding when done with a plan to take it deeper. Good luck!
 
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WeedyGirl1979

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DDave said:
To use drinking as an example, you keep getting higher over time... like guzzling whiskey... you get a bit drunk in the beginning, and more so over time as your body keeps absorbing.

When you vape, you get the full effect in minutes, with edibles - in hours... that's why many have taken it too far... they eat a cookie... 10 minutes later...nothing... so they eat another... and so on... by the time they feel anything, they are at level of way too many cookies eaten and in for a heck of a ride... from what I've read, can be unpleasant. :goat:
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Yeah, "unpleasant", or "puking in a trashcan and swearing to all that's holy to make better choices". (I have, so far. That was the last straw.)
I've tried being high in different settings because experimentation is fun. On a plane (after my first edible experience) ranks up there, but I have to say the best was at a concert- I felt like a different self after I walked out. I like to watch sunsets and sunrises and listen to music and feel a summer breeze- kinda lock into my best self, you know?
 
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thejonny2014

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Sorry for the short replies, but rest assured that all your replies were read and thoroughly pondered. I love the critical thinking in this community.

I will now be vaping just 1 bowl, as 1/4-1/2 of one with no t break already wrecks me pretty nicely. I have some incense to light and some music to melt into.

I will update after the session :)
 
ataxian

ataxian

PALE BLUE DOT
MinnBobber said:
I'd add:

--pick your cannabis strain wisely. After experiencing a huge "whitey" in Amsterdam that was very psychedelic, I looked up the strain on Leafly and there under effects was, may give you a psychedelic effects. It was Amnesia Haze. See if you can get this strain or search for others with psychedelic effects

-- bag it. The same whitey was my first Volcano experience. Two quick bags by myself and start of 3rd bag, I tell the budtender---I feel really really really bad. You can take BIG hits with bags.

Whitey included being able to hear all dozen conversations in the coffeeshop at once, being almost totally immobilized, nauseous, etc.

Good luck. Have handy plenty to drink, especially sugary sweet drinks which is the Amsterdam go-to for too much mj. It's a fine line. Have fun exploring....
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I went to Amsterdam and had WHITE WIDOW.
That was very nice!

Today I mostly vaporizer GSC during the day!
At night GDP or OG (Ocean Grown)

CANNABIS is the way the truth and the light!

CANNABIS is the HOLY GRAIL!

Spiritually that's all you need to know!
 
nicelytoasted

nicelytoasted

Vaked Chemist
The Caveman said:
So why can edibles get me higher than vaporizing/smoking can?
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The reason that ingestion can get us higher than vapourizing/smoking is that it's metabolyzed differently. The delta-9 thc is metabolyzed into a delta-11 thc, which is even more psychoactive. The delta refers to where the double bond is located on the molecule.

As was mentioned, this takes longer than inhalation, which gives us almost instant feedback, making dosing more difficult.
 
NorVape

NorVape

Vape Rictim
ataxian said:
I went to Amsterdam and had WHITE WIDOW.
That was very nice!

Today I mostly vaporizer GSC during the day!
At night GDP or OG (Ocean Grown)

CANNABIS is the way the truth and the light!

CANNABIS is the HOLY GRAIL!

Spiritually that's all you need to know!
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White Widow was actually the first high end strain me and my friends tried.

Before that it was mainly stoney hash and very rarely some bush herb.

This was the first time we saw highly cultivated herb like this.

I remember just sitting there, high as the sky, looking at the little trichomes that covered the buds.

It was spiritual indeed, and maybe a sign of things to come in my life?
 
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