Tek Spiderman's Oil Extravaganza!

[Cannabudz]

Yeah Vtac, I'm thinking the consistency is Good(hard to tell for sure without exp) but it is almost completely solid @ room temp(15 to 21 degrees c) and melts easy, I can cut a bit off and flatten it with my glass pick then drop on some green in the VG, The VG is almost like a crack pipe now , Definately found a new hobby

& yeah much different than an ISO extraction, 4 sure spiderman

Also the Hippie shop sell's some coal nugget's for resin blocks etc, so i'll drop in & give those suckers a go





spent dressed salad poo in the VG mmmm i know it's vape but it's like smoke Feeeelz Gooood goin down(naughty kinda )

 

[Cannabudz]

Cannabudz,
Funny that you should post that image. That was taken by Hashmasta-Kut, who's tutorial for oil making is the one I follow. HMK also invented (with help from his sister, who blows glass) the "kutpipe" or oil vaporizer that I have. And that picture, specifically? Its the image that I associate more than any other with BHO, and has been my background for months now.

Good eye

Last first, thanks i Had a Medium format(studio) camera, so i like nice images, & i do find that bho image very stiking & Inspirational, i want to see this image before me and vape it, hell i'd like too have a gong setup like your's man & go in style.

The feeling i get from bho is not dissimilar to the warm glow in the Diaphragm from a very high quality alcohol ( fine wine/fine spirit etc) without the obvious alco effects, it's not the same thing but reminicent. It's a very inviting feeling that i'll be back for & vaping in the Genie is so much nicer than wasting on the hot coal as ok as that is, very different routes those two ( i'm not sure why but the E was pretty ordinary with the salad dressing, i used the VG for nearly 3 days )

Here in Nazi Queensland a Drug REcipe (possesion) can can get a person 10 to 20 years Jail so having the SSTB is a sick bonus , Love you guy's, that's why i try to operate by memory for any of these thing's of interest. One of the reason's i'm so impressed with Clean Glass on Glass too

 

[Cannabudz]

I'll be doin another tane run this arvo, mmmmmmmm honey

Uncontrolable Urge

Yeah tanks for putting me straight, 80% rum yah drink,& iso yah clean ya vape with, got it

 

[Spiderman]

Thats absolutely right, now go out and find a spork made of titanium and vape some oil the real way !

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/8ace/

 

[Cannabudz]

You bet i will spiderman, but man that VG, is some seriously useful piece of hardware for dressed salad, it just goes harder for longer than normal hey(great money shot's, /mild hallucinations), really pleasing, I gave my nephew a show of a run & he was very impressed particularly by the time he left, telling me what a great uncle i was I told him if he was too lazy to do it himself he didnt deserve top shelf He'll be around with a can of tane don't you worry

 

[Cannabudz]

Can some one post a pic of a Ti spork being used. I have seen some great Ti "Cookware" for Camping etc. looks the bomb 4 someone like me who like's it lightweight for carrying, mountainbiking etc. & duell purpose rocks for me, that's my biggest plus 4 the sstb

Oh yeah, I can't b sure ( don't have the right scales) but i think i ended up with about 1.5 to 2 gram's being conservative, for the 14 grams of raw material, those r prolly low number's but i thought the process was totally worthwhile & you can bet i'll be doing it @ every opportunity from now on until i have better option's
So i'm hittin my VG hippy crack pipe right now

 

[Spiderman]

Using the ti spork is a bit...ghetto. You just need a glass downstem (used as a straw) and a torch. heat the bowl of the spork so its red hot, hold it flat in one hand, glass downstem in your mouth directly over it, start sucking, and dab a little oil on to the spork usin a pin....a tiny drop will do you. Basically....just freebase it.

 

[Cannabudz]

Cool, sounds much like using the hot coal thing, Prolly different result's though, Out of curiousity Spiderman have you used a VG for Dressed Bud.

Ive just about finished my honey until i run again next week,(oh well back to the "E") This Shit is definately gonna Fly 4 a long time to come hehehe

 

[vtac]

Yes torching the spork is pretty ghetto but it does the job. Might get some strange looks camping.

 

[Cannabudz]

yeah Camping @ the Gympie Muster Country "&" western festival Tent's R so cool, I had a great Sessh in the midle of it one year there, Surrounded by Pissheads(i did work @ the local pub, I know Pissheads) Cheeky Buggers we were like "enemy" territory

 

[Spiderman]

CB,

I havent specifically hit a VG with a "dressed salad" as you call it, but iv hit other vaporizers that way, as well as puffed oil out of about every size piece i can, from 2ft 4 chamber RooR's to little 8" bongs to dry pipes.

iv found that with every one of them has a slightly different taste/high to them, but the only way that really is properly suited to the pro's/con's of oil is titanium pads. Every piece iv hit except for the ti pad tastes rather like generic vapor, kinda like what the cano kicks out after if you try to pull a 2nd and 3rd bag. No real flavor, just kinda vague stale popcorn. The high is also somewhat destroyed by a lot of these methods.

CB, until you try the ti spork, its hard to explain...but im rather confident that once you do, you wont care too much to go back...the VG is fine for herb, but its rather inefficient for oil, and you arent tasting it properly. Oil should have an incredibly strong taste, especially if the bud used is good.

 

[Cannabudz]

Well put Spidz thanx for the input mate. i'll definately be trying out a Ti Spork



Gonna go A Turkey Slapin tonight, if i can get Tane round the corner , $4.00 well spent good run too slightly different weed this week,A bit more Gold Stuff Very Usefull Information( commited to memory FYC) Deep Dark "Queens"land , doin it My way
it maybe the "Sunshine State" but thats only refering to the big Yellow thing that revolves around Us, Good Cristian Country


if they can't practise it Right, Why should i Spell it Right.

 

[Cannabudz]

Well i've been hittin the vg, ignoring the E since lastnight i luv BHO mm mmm , It's extarordinary the difference BHO makes to the VaporGenie, I just Tried a bowl of Plain bud, And it was pretty Bloody Plain mate(Much much rather use the E ) But drop a bit of BHO in there too & "Right On" Man, it's like the way it should be BIG STRONG Hits last last Much Much Longer between stirs & it goes for many more Stirs, it seems im the only one in the forum onto it, cant wait for other's to get on Board & see what other's Feel about this use of the VG.



stealthy Stuff this honey, it like sticks around nicely too hehehe

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

is it at all possible to get any appreciable amount of bho from a tube of just vapor duff?

 

[Cannabudz]

I spread Vape Poo around Entrances, pot plants etc. incase i ever have Other dogs here, its better value for that IMO 90 to 95% effeciency is good enough for me out of the vaporiser with the Fresh Bud, "If i was desperate" id use vape poo and coat it in vape oil from cleaning, but its not very satisfiying hey, for me anyway.

 

[Spiderman]

Acolyte.....

Maybe, but the oil is gonna be dark, runny, and not very tasty....Go through your sack of buds, pull out any piece of leaf you can, and store in a jar....when the jar is full, use that. You'll get very good oil from sugary leaf trim.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

thanks

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

isomerization, the quote explains itsself pretty well, found it while doing my usual forum trolling

Direct isomerization

Sometimes if pot is totally rank and crappy, or you're dealing with a bunch of roaches, trimmings, or some other inferior source of THC it is desirable to go well beyond what a simple volatile solvent or super critical fluid extraction can do. You want to convert all those free available cannibidiols into more potent THC analogs and cannabinols.

This technique also will render a fully decarboxylized end product, as well as destroying many terpenes and aromatics which can improve or destroy a product depending on the original quality. It is important to understand this is not a full conversion to ?9-THC, but to THC analogs and more active cannibidiols, and is included in this discussion more as an educational exercise. Basic isomerization takes place with a quick reflux of your cannabinoids in the presence of any H+ source (acid).

1. Treat your stuff as if it were a volatile solvent or critical fluid extraction.
2. With the remaining resin, dissolve it in a non-polar solvent. Be sure to use one that separates easily from water such as naphia or white gas.
3. Treat this mixture with sulphuric or hydrochloric acid until a pH around 1-2 is reached (approximately one drop of concentrated acid per gram of extract).
4. Place this in a reflux apparatus and cook it for about an hour. In case youre not familiar this is basically just Pyrex breaker with a large looped tube plugged into the top. This will cause the solution inside to be exposed to elevated pressures as well as temperatures, as well as preserving all of the original contents. Simply simply boiling the mixture in a small strong covered vessel can mimic it.
5. Wash whats left with water, keep the oil layer.
6. Neutralize your mix (bring it to pH 7.0) with a little Sodium Hydroxide solution (pH 9.0) or baking soda then rewash it with water. Save the oil layer again.
7. Allow your oil to evaporate and you should be left with a sticky amber liquid that contains almost pure THC.

I would recommend an extraction for a starting point, since if you start clean your product can only get much better. Once youve obtained nearly pure THC, converting it to an acetate is supposed to produce more psychedelic like effects.

More THC analog modifications can be made (to yield pure ?9 or ?6 THC), but generally the consumption of the original products in these reactions makes them hardly worth while (usually 5-20% yeild, so it may be half as psychoactive but you have 5 times as much of it in the beginning).

 

[partially veiled]

isomerization, the quote explains itsself pretty well

It does? I sure as hell don't get it.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

then i dont feel like explaining it right now so this is the best ull get

basically it makes hash oil WAY more potent, and it turns other cannabinoids into thc beyond just decarboxylation, giving it more powerful psychoactive effects

 

[partially veiled]

No I get ya: I've heard about isomerization before, but my comment was more directed towards the "explaining it" part of your statement. I have yet to see something which competently explains isomerization, hence why I've yet to understand it. Maybe I'm just thick, but if you've got good resources I would surely love to see them; it is certainly all very interesting.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

oh, i meant it explained the process, not the actual chemistry behind it

 

[Spiderman]

AColyte,

I dont even know where to begin. This is a lot like when people ask why we arent doing supercritical co2 extractions. Isomerization is a concept im well aware of, but I have my doubts on its applications to oil.

Without trying to get too technical.....
The whole process of adding either suplhuric or HCl to my oil, and then neutralizing the ph, is one that scares the living shit out of me. I'd guess you would be left with chemical byproducts (Sulphur, hydro-chloric salts, sodium bicarbonate) which I dont personally havev too much of an interest in smoking.

The concept that THC itself is the end-all drug is rather silly. The resin of the plant is made of a large number of chemicals, including cannabinoids, cannibinoid precursors, and terpenes and terpenoids. Generally, people tend to choose something that has terpenes in it, as oppossed to an absolutely pure THC high. From the research iv seen, pure THC is a rather boring, uninteresting high. Supercritical Co2 extraction has been done, but is eschewed by some oilheads who have tried it, as it suppossedly lacks taste, and is pure thc.

Also, when you link somthing/site it, please actually give us a citation. You';re already taking the time to pollute my thread with something only half relevant, please take the time to also link me to what you're posting. The site you posted is 420magazine, which i did some poking around. The site is mostly amatuers, and the dude who posted the whole isomerization thread? Couldnt find much from him, except for a post claiming outdoor bud was more potent than indoor. Something about fully mature trichomes versus unmature ones, failing to take into account the fact that trich maturity is the tool many growers go by.

Finally...do you know what a flux condesnser is? Buddy of mine built one once, for making DMT and shit....they arent simple lab ware.


Regardless...you're more than welcome to try doing this, but I wouldnt suggest it. It was recommended, poorly, by someone who I would imagine has little lab experience. His pictures of bubble hash were mediocre (save the ones he claimed were bubbleman's hash, those were rather melty) and his oil was mostly tane-ridden. And he wrote multiple pages about outdoor vs. indoor, with zero science to back it up.

Proceed at your own risk.

 

[Acolyte of Zinglon]

sorry i "polluted your thread" this thread is the closet thing to an official oil thread here and this was relevant to oil, and i thought it was interesting, please get off your high horse, i wasnt talking down at you and you dont need to talk down at me
threads arent owned by just the original poster, but by the community, at least here

it was just something i came across while reading about hashmaking in general, i didnt look at the isomerization thread, and thats not where i found it. i just posted it here because i found it interesting and thought it worth mentioning, i never claimed it was the end-all anything and i dont understand why you get all defensive and act like i was saying that
like anything, it has its benefits and shortcomings, risks and benefits

i dont claim to be an expert on it, and if you are thats great, and i salute you