so my dad is a Dr and against pot. he told me this story. comments plz

weedemon

enthusiast
Today he was telling me about this 70 year old man who came into the memory clinic to get his mind tested so see if he's losing the plot.

the symptoms he was having were:

- short term memory loss
- lack of drive
- a in one ear out the other unless you really had his attention
- blanking out and being in the car not realizing how he got there or where he was going.

now I feel the first 3 all sound like pot to me. but the 4th?!?

anyways dad found out he was taking 0 prescription drugs. but has been a marijuana user and smoked 3 doobies a day for the last 40 years.

Dad told him that it was because he fried his brain (more or less) from all the pot use. I feel this is probably an inaccurate assessment and once he heard pot was involved look no further, that's the enemy.

It was really an effort to get me to quit vapin. but I didn't feel I had much in the way of counter points.

My dad is an "expert" and tried a pot brownie once in college and now knows it's evil stuff. My mom has a few diseases (fibromyalgia) which she struggles with and could be a medicinal user if she wanted to, but is also brainwashed against the plant.
 
weedemon,

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Doctor's are part of the Medicine mafia.. :D that want's too hook patients on various pills.. and scare them so they can buy prevention medicines .., and selling cancer patients overpriced medicines...
I don't know how it is in USA but in my country if you go to the doctor you get pills for sure because they have contracts with farmaceftical companies.. For example i hade a piece in my eye.. My doctor didnt want to se send me to eye doctor.. he said i had an allergy.. and that that piece triggered it.. and it is no more there because i dont have bloodshot eye...... He prescribed me steroids.. in nasal spray for ... IMO i had an eye problemm.... (costed me like 50 $) + some Aerius pills... after 10 days of puke-a-rama i go to an eye doctor who says that this treatment is unapropriate but there is nothing in my eye.. but in any case i should get eye drop antibiotics... After one week of no improvement i went again and he said that i should wait 1 week for the side effects of the eye drops to go away... Well... I went for a second opinion in a highly priced eye clinic ... And they said that i should not get antibiotic but eye drop steroid.. oh.. and they removed a tiny microscopical particle of smth like stone.. I felt better but i had to do a 14 day theatment.. with this bitter eyedrops and i should also buy 30 $ artifical tears... LOL.... After those 14 days ... i had to go again on a routine check an they said that i must use the drops for another 20 days + awful eye cream that is combination of both antibiotic + steroid... I SAID F*** off dudes... After 10 days with no medications all my problems were gone away... I got a lot help of billbery extract ,goji bery juice .elderberry and other herbs that benefit the eyes...
In Bulgaria the health insurance is 15% of our payment and it is mandatory... and not inheritable.,,.
And you get crappy doctors.. with sell you crappy medicines .. I would like to invest my health insurance in some massage therapy or yoga class... Accupuctura or spa.. Why should i pay them money to get almost zero attention and to be treathed as a money giving pill eating pig bank..
As long as your dad... I have many friends who bad tripped on mj their first try.. and never tried again.
 
Abysmal Vapor,

steiner666

Serial vapist
Sounds like you already know the answer yourself. His quickness to blame mj for those problems points towards lack of personal experience (once isnt enough), buying into government propaganda ("this is your brain... *cracks egg open on skillet* this is your brain on marijuana, blah, blah, dramatic blah") , and more than likely a desire for an easy scapegoat for these symptoms. I dont know about your dad in particular, but IME, the doctors all tend to look for the easiest possible solution, whether its writing unnecessary prescriptions, passing off the patient to someone else, or whatever. They seem to just want to come in the room, spend as little time as possible with each patient and move along to the next. A patient admitting something like daily mj use just gives them an easy-out. So sometimes, especially with conservative-minded doctors like him, i think its better for ppl to not even mention it, so that the Dr.s actually look into and treat the real problems.

The part that makes me LOL the most is the fact that this is a 70 year old man! how uncommon is it really for someone his age to be experiencing things like this? And, personally, if i make it to the age of 70 with only these sort of problems to report to my doctor, i'll be happy with that. I have a grandfather not much older than that, who's never touched any "drugs" in his life and has problems with those first 3 symptoms. I mean, seriously, "lack of drive"? he's 70, whats he supposed to be ambitiously pursuing a career or something?

it all boils down to one thing in the end : scare tactics. scare tactics from teh government that ignorant ppl buy into, and then they (maybe out of genuine, honest belief in the lies and concern for your wellbeing) repeat on to you.

And this isnt all said as someone who is just stubbornly and blindly defending something because he enjoys doing it. I try to look at things impartially. i know there are minor sideffects to continuous and heavy usage, but none that would lead to problems such as these, from everything that i've researched.

"Think for yourself, question authority."
 
steiner666,

Abysmal Vapor

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My father uses mj since 40-years ,but it is the last thing on the world he would share with someone .. because its doesn't look nice in the society eyes. He knows one thing bout doctors :D They treat symptoms - not diseases !
 
Abysmal Vapor,

darkrom

Great Scott!
All of those symptoms tend to be more common in 70 year old men than pot users...
 
darkrom,

gb902

Vaporog
It's all about moderation, if you are a recreational user (like me) you shouldn't have any problem with that. Also medical users can take more benefits with little doses.
Just try to determine a plan, like how much weed you can take for each session and how much sessions you can have weekly or monthly, and promise yourself that you won't overdo it except rare occasions.
If you use a vaporizer (and don't mix herb with tobacco), you reduce enormously the amount of chemical and toxins in your lungs.
And don't forget the nutrition, we all know it's essential to keep it healthy, but most of people understimate it too frequently.

The 70 year old guy smoked 3 times a day, this should be too much (considering all the toxins he inhaled during those 40 years). But we don't know anything else about his life, habits, etc...
 
gb902,

Hippie Dickie

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@weedemon -- i would be really, really sad if your dad (the doctor) is correct -- after 35 years of smoking followed by 10 years of vaping.

i'm not a doctor, but it sounds like onset of Alzheimer's to me ... did he even consider this diagnosis, or does he think the big A is caused by pot?
 
Hippie Dickie,

Abysmal Vapor

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Hippie Dickie said:
@weedemon -- i would be really, really sad if your dad (the doctor) is correct -- after 35 years of smoking followed by 10 years of vaping.

i'm not a doctor, but it sounds like onset of Alzheimer's to me ... did he even consider this diagnosis, or does he think the big A is caused by pot?
When i was young me and my friends were hooked on Alzheimer medicine called akinestat.. for bout 6 months.,. I've eaten so many of those pills.. that if i ever get Alzheimer.. it will just prove that they dont work :D .. LOL. (just joking.. i know we poisoned our bodies )
 
Abysmal Vapor,

lwien

Well-Known Member
Sounds like your Dad is using this example as a convenient example to guide you away from smoking bud. He can't really believe this to be true without further diagnosis and testing.

Ask your Dad if this 70 year old gentleman has been tested for Alzheimers including MRI's to help detect any possibility of minor strokes, and while he's answering these questions, look at his eyes and see if they cease to look at you as he's answering them.
 
lwien,

weedemon

enthusiast
lwien said:
Sounds like your Dad is using this example as a convenient example to guide you away from smoking bud. He can't really believe this to be true without further diagnosis and testing.

Ask your Dad if this 70 year old gentleman has been tested for Alzheimers including MRI's to help detect any possibility of minor strokes, and while he's answering these questions, look at his eyes and see if they cease to look at you as he's answering them.


hehe sneaky tactics... :p i like it!
 
weedemon,

lwien

Well-Known Member
On the other hand, I don't know how old you are, but if you are pretty young, you're Dad may be very justified in using whatever means he can to keep you from using weed. Cannabis use on a developing brain "can" have some serious consequences down the road.
 
lwien,

Hippie Dickie

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but that's not to say those serious consequences are deleterious, eh? At least comparied to all the other chemicals in the foods that youngsters eat.
 
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weedemon

enthusiast
Well i am reluctant to reveal my age at this time, but i can say i am more than old enough, and really if i was in a better situation i would not be living at home.
 
weedemon,

gobbly

Active Member
I'd be concerned with a doctor who makes diagnosis off so little information. He says this is a guy who walked in off the street after all. There could be all sorts of explanations, literally thousands. Anyway, dunno what to tell you other than to keep down low. You aren't going to change your parents views on these things, don't bother. Just understand that two can play at the disinformation game (who, me? no, I tried pot once and it wasn't any fun, why do you ask dad? :D)
 
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lwien

Well-Known Member
Hippie Dickie said:
but that's not to say those serious consequences are deleterious, eh? At least comparied to all the other chemicals in the foods that youngsters eat.


This was just posted up (about an hour ago) from my dispensary. Although this has to do with the effect of cannabis during pregnancy, they also talk about the affect on THC on the developing brain. Very new research.

Now granted, there is nothing concrete stated here with words like "potentially" used throughout, but it does raise concern about the possible negative affects on the developing brain, and when cannabis is strictly used recreationally in the young, one has to wonder if the risk is really worth the reward.

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A new review of cannabis use during pregnancy, published in the journal Future Neurology on July 1, 2011, clearly indicates that their are risks of longterm cognitive effects when exposing unborn children to cannabis.
-------Morpheus

Developing Brain CME Chia-Shan Wu, PhD; Christopher P. Jew; Hui-Chen Lu, PhD CME Released: 07/01/2011; Valid for credit through 07/01/2012
Abstract and Introduction
Abstract
Cannabis is the most commonly used illicit substance among pregnant women. Human epidemiological and animal studies have found that prenatal cannabis exposure influences brain development and can have long-lasting impacts on cognitive functions. Exploration of the therapeutic potential of cannabis-based medicines and synthetic cannabinoid compounds has given us much insight into the physiological roles of endogenous ligands (endocannabinoids) and their receptors. In this article, we examine human longitudinal cohort studies that document the long-term influence of prenatal exposure to cannabis, followed by an overview of the molecular composition of the endocannabinoid system and the temporal and spatial changes in their expression during brain development. How endocannabinoid signaling modulates fundamental developmental processes such as cell proliferation, neurogenesis, migration and axonal pathfinding are also summarized.
Introduction
Cannabis is the worlds third most popular recreational drug, after alcohol and tobacco.[201] The hallmarks of its effects are euphoria and relaxation, perceptual alterations, time distortion, appetite inducement and the intensification of ordinary sensory experiences.[1] Cannabis preparations are largely derived from the female plant of Cannabis sativa, and consist of approximately 60 plant-derived cannabinoid compounds (phytocannabinoids), with ?9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) being the predominant psychoactive constituent.[2] Efforts aimed at understanding how THC produces its psychoactive effects have led to the discovery of the endocannabinoid system.[3]
The endocannabinoid system is comprised of endogenous cannabinoids (endocannabinoids [eCBs]), the metabolic enzymes responsible for the formation and degradation of eCBs, and the cannabinoid receptors and their interacting proteins.[4,5] eCB signaling is involved in a myriad of physiological processes including retrograde signaling and modulation of synaptic function in the CNS, and analgesic and metabolic effects on lipid profile and glucose homeostasis in the periphery.[611] Indeed, several therapeutic effects have been ascribed to compounds targeting the endocannabinoid system, including treatment of pain, affective and neurodegenerative disorders, gastrointestinal inflammation, obesity and related metabolic dysfunctions, cardiovascular conditions and liver diseases.[12,13] Synthetic THC (dronabinol) is approved in the USA to alleviate the emesis and nausea associated with cancer and chemotherapy, and weight loss associated with HIV infection. Clinical trials are underway to determine whether cannabis-based compounds are effective in the treatment of multiple sclerosis[14] and neuropathic pain.[15] Sativex, a pharmaceutical preparation containing the psychoactive THC with the nonpsychotropic cannabidiol in approximately a 1:1 weight ratio, was approved in Canada for the treatment of neuropathic pain associated with multiple sclerosis, and in England for the spasticity associated with multiple sclerosis.[16] Furthermore, several forms of pharmacological manipulation of the endocannabinoid system, including synthetic cannabinoid receptor agonists and antagonists and inhibitors of endocannabinoid degradation are undergoing clinical development.[1720]
The increasing popularity of cannabis consumption among young people between 15 and 30 years of age, the critical period for adolescent brain development, has raised concerns over the health consequences of cannabis use. In addition, cannabis is the most commonly abused illicit drug in pregnant women in Western societies.[202] Given the lipophilic nature of THC, it is estimated that one-third of THC in the plasma crosses the fetoplacental barrier,[21] and is secreted through the breast milk.[22] Given that the THC content of confiscated cannabis samples has increased substantially over the past 20 years,[23] fetuses of cannabis-using mothers could be exposed to significant amounts of THC during the perinatal period. Therefore, cannabis abuse is potentially deleterious to the children of cannabis-using mothers through abnormal brain development owing to exogenous cannabis exposure during the perinatal period. This article will focus on the neurobehavioral consequences of prenatal cannabis exposure in humans.
A central role for eCB signaling in brain development is now emerging.[7,24,25] Perinatal and adolescent cannabis exposure may disrupt the precise temporal and spatial control of eCB signaling at critical stages of neural development, leading to detrimental effects on later nervous system functioning. Indeed, longitudinal studies in humans with prenatal cannabis exposure demonstrated exaggerated startle response and poor habituation to novel stimuli in infants, and hyperactivity, inattention and impaired executive function in adolescents.[2629] Many of these behavioral effects have also been modeled in animal studies.[30] Furthermore, possible teratogenic effects of endocannabinoid system-based therapies in pregnant women and long-term exposure to eCB signaling-modifying agents such as organophosphate pesticides need to be taken into consideration.
This article aims to summarize the existing literature on the behavioral consequences of prenatal exposure to the phytocannabinoid THC, summarizing key findings from epidemiological studies in humans. Experimental studies in rodents have been reviewed extensively elsewhere and will be only briefly discussed here.[2932] The molecular composition of the endocannabinoid system and their temporal and spatial distributions in embryonic brain in humans and rodents are also summarized. Finally, experimental evidence demonstrating how eCB signaling in this molecular framework affects specific events in developing neural circuits is discussed.
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lwien,

9Samurai

Theoretical Vaporist
Exaggerated startle response? :ko:

Eating McDonalds while pregnant is probably no good for your child. And in my opinion it goes without saying that you should avoid intoxicants whilst pregnant.

Imagine how many humans over the millenia have consumed drugs during pregnancy. It's a wonder we are all still around! And if I'm not mistaken we are doing better now intelectually than ever before.

With any regular drug use, you have to monitor it. Whenever I start feeling lazy and fuzzy it's time for a T-break!
 
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lwien

Well-Known Member
Ya know, I have the exact same disdain for those that totally ignore these studies as I have for those that say that cannibis will be the downfall of mankind.

The argument that we ingest bad shit all the time, therefore whatever negative things that can be attributed to cannibis use is not worthy of consideration, imho, is totally illogical. EVERYTHING we put into our bodies has a cumulative affect. Every drug that we put into our bodies has associated risks. Now the risk reward ratio my be justified for YOU, but very well may not be justified for someone else. All I'm sayin' is, go into this stuff with your eyes wide open to BOTH the pro's and the con's.

9Samurai said:
Imagine how many humans over the millenia have consumed drugs during pregnancy. It's a wonder we are all still around! And if I'm not mistaken we are doing better now intelectually than ever before.

One just has to look at the increased incidence of Autism to counter what you just stated above. (recent studies are pointing towards the use of antidepressants during pregnancy as a possible cause)
 
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Hippie Dickie

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agents such as organophosphate pesticides need to be taken into consideration

it would be hard to control for this compounding effect -- know your grower, eh? or insist on organic certification.

But i totally agree that abstinence during pregnancy is a no brainer.

it took me a very long time (40+ years) to truly understand the effect of what i was putting into my own body -- 25 years of aerobics heightened my sensitivity. Now i can truly weigh the cost/benefit.
 
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lwien

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Hippie Dickie said:
But i totally agree that abstinence during pregnancy is a no brainer.


But it's amazing, HD, how many feel that cannabis is TOTALLY innocuous, even during pregnancy.

Just like those crazy loons that occupy the very far left and the very far right in the political arena, the same dynamics apply to the use of cannabis, that is, those that think that it will be downfall of mankind versus those that think that cannabis is totally risk free, those that think that EVERY study that shows the possible risks of cannabis use are nothing but negative government/drug company propaganda versus those that think that studies that shows that cannabis is 100% totally safe is the gospel.
 
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FLskwat

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lwien said:
those that think that EVERY study that shows the possible risks of cannabis use are nothing but negative government/drug company propaganda versus those that think that studies that shows that cannabis is 100% totally safe is the gospel.

In fact those are mainly the same guys, Lwien :lol: ... Cannabis abuse on an adult mind mix-up syndrome??? :D
 
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lwien

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FLskwat said:
lwien said:
those that think that EVERY study that shows the possible risks of cannabis use are nothing but negative government/drug company propaganda versus those that think that studies that shows that cannabis is 100% totally safe is the gospel.

In fact those are mainly the same guys, Lwien :lol: ... Cannabis abuse on an adult mind mix-up syndrome??? :D

I gotta take a t-break. :uhoh:
 
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Purple-Days

Well-Known Member
My Father displayed those symptoms (never smoked pot, he claimed). They were mild at first, but got worse... It would be too bad if your Father, an MD, dismissed this as 'fried brain' from pot smoking and missed a brain tumor like Dad had. Or early Alzheimers which we suspected. Too bad so many 'doctors' are right about everything. :2c: Good luck, Weedmon. I'll read the other posts now. :peace:
 
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stroh

errl enthusiast
marijuana actually seems to be neuroprotective against alzheimers. i would associate solely short term memory loss due to cannabis but also in addition to his old age.
 
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9Samurai

Theoretical Vaporist
lwien said:
One just has to look at the increased incidence of Autism to counter what you just stated above. (recent studies are pointing towards the use of antidepressants during pregnancy as a possible cause)

Increased incidence or increased incidence of diagnosis? I don't know if you can truly say that autism has increased. I reckon many kids with low level autism or aspergers would have just been dismissed as weird until relatively recently.

I don't believe cannabis is harmless, just that this harm should be put into perspective. We can't avoid doing dangerous things entirely. And they tend to feel the best :ko:

I have buddies whose weed abuse has turned them into drooling zombies.....though I don't know any casual users who have made less of their lives than your average non-user.
 
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lwien

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9Samurai said:
lwien said:
One just has to look at the increased incidence of Autism to counter what you just stated above. (recent studies are pointing towards the use of antidepressants during pregnancy as a possible cause)

Increased incidence or increased incidence of diagnosis? I don't know if you can truly say that autism has increased. I reckon many kids with low level autism or aspergers would have just been dismissed as weird until relatively recently.

Good point and I have no doubt that that is the cause of "some" of the increases but I don't believe that it covers it all. These increases are not just low level symptoms.
 
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