So how long do you keep your extracts vapor in?

[chimpybits]

Pen owners, how long do you hold your extracts vapor in?

I know with dabbing, it is recommended to only hold in for a few seconds at most. Apparently, that is all that is needed and any longer increases the effect of any possible solvent toxins?! I would expect the same advice with pen use.

Anyway, I draw it in (and I'd say not as deeply as vaping), and hold it for a second or 2 and exhale.

 

[Caligula]

IDK if its the same as smoking but studies have shown the vast majority of THC is absorbed within the first 5 seconds of taking and holding a hit. Those studies were done via combustion and not with concentrates, however. Regardless, I do 5.

 

[MileHighLife]

I've always read that vapor is absorbed slower than smoke so I hold my hits in as long as possible. If I'm really trying to make a hit go far I do the hold ... release half lung capacity then inhale and hold ... exhale. I make my own extracts and I know they are fully purged so I'm not worried about residual solvents.

 

[Detonator]

I hold it in a long time, long as possible.

I keep hearing talk about butane inhalation, but if you knew me and my friends ( and everyine else I knew ) when we smoked pot we would smoke giant bongs holding the lighter to them the whole time for years and years. I mean we sucked up a lot of bic lighters. I never heard of anyone saying anything was wrong with that. Or I never heard of anyone getting sick from that, so how is this much different?

 

[MileHighLife]

I think when you light a bowl the flame burns up all of the butane so you aren't actually inhaling any butane but if its under purged bho you are inhaling raw butane.

 

[Detonator]

I think when you light a bowl the flame burns up all of the butane so you aren't actually inhaling any butane but if its under purged bho you are inhaling raw butane.

But I'm putting it on a red hot nail, so wouldn't any butane burnout then? I've gotten crappy wax that sizzled and popped, and I have heard that was a sign of it being under purged. But it seemed to me that the sizzel was the butane being released? But I really don't know, I've been waiting to know more. So if the ssizzel releases it then I inhale all at the same time huh?

 

[MileHighLife]

Released but not burned... it's released into the air stream that you are breathing in along with the vapor from the bho.

 

[Caligula]

When you burn something it doesn't magically disappear. That being said not all snapping and popping is due to leftover solvent. A lot of times its just moisture left over... not a great sign of quality but also not harmful. Of course if it sparks or lights aflame...

 

[MileHighLife]

True but butane is no longer butane after combustion. The main byproducts are h2o and co2 iirc

 

[Caligula]

In that same vein, not all the butane from a lighter is burnt. Interesting this got brought up. I was given a "Clipper Medi-lighter" today by a dispensary with my order. Apparently it uses isobutane and is billed to be better for you VS using throw away lighters (the Clipper is also refillable... actually after reading about them I do prefer these to a Bic, at least on paper).

http://www.clippersuperlighter.com/classicFpopup.php?idioma=en_&pop=00

Isobutane burns cleaner than low quality lighters which have low quality and smelly butane.

 

[treeman]

Butane only becomes h2o and co2 in situations where it has access to large amounts of oxygen (like in a jet lighter or bunsen burner) in real world situations any standard lighter gives off a reasonable amount of chemicals (or so I'm led to believe) That's why yellow flames leave soot on surfaces that you burn.
With that said residual solvent doesn't worry me, I'm sure I've exposed myself to much more harmful chemicals lots of times. I tend to hold my extracts vapor in for 5 seconds and probably aim to inhale it deeper than herb vapor.

Also clipper lighters are the way of the stoner, best melters lighter IMO you get the handy pokey bit for tapping stuff down (not so good with hot vapes) They are refillable and have character, interesting chat about that isobutane.

 

[MileHighLife]

Really? My understanding is that butane becomes h2o and co2 using a normal lighter too but the carbon and hydrogen have less access to oxygen so carbon becomes carbon monoxide more often and soot is a byproduct.

Nifty lighters ... cool alternative to hemp wick

 

[jdee]

I remember reading somewhere that you're lungs act like valves, in that whatever allows vapor to pass from your throat to your bloodstream is only being activated during the actual act of inhalation. The minute you stop breathing in and start 'holding it in' the valve has no pressure and closes. The only thing making you higher at this point is oxygen deprivation. If we are to believe that you only absorb during inhalation, and that you don't absorb 100% of the thc in the first breath, then re-breathing seems like a better option than 'holding it in'. Let a little bit out, then take another breath in, and repeating until no visible vapor is exhaled.

 

[C No Ego]

I remember reading somewhere that you're lungs act like valves, in that whatever allows vapor to pass from your throat to your bloodstream is only being activated during the actual act of inhalation. The minute you stop breathing in and start 'holding it in' the valve has no pressure and closes. The only thing making you higher at this point is oxygen deprivation. If we are to believe that you only absorb during inhalation, and that you don't absorb 100% of the thc in the first breath, then re-breathing seems like a better option than 'holding it in'. Let a little bit out, then take another breath in, and repeating until no visible vapor is exhaled.

that's what I was thinking as well. keep fresh air entering the airways to prevent stagnation and keep the receptors oxygenated for optimal retrieval and uptake.

 

[MileHighLife]

I remember reading somewhere that you're lungs act like valves, in that whatever allows vapor to pass from your throat to your bloodstream is only being activated during the actual act of inhalation. The minute you stop breathing in and start 'holding it in' the valve has no pressure and closes. The only thing making you higher at this point is oxygen deprivation. If we are to believe that you only absorb during inhalation, and that you don't absorb 100% of the thc in the first breath, then re-breathing seems like a better option than 'holding it in'. Let a little bit out, then take another breath in, and repeating until no visible vapor is exhaled.

Vapor is absorbed faster through mucus membranes than the lungs which is why e cig users don't usually inhale much of anything ... they pull the vapor into their mouth and then slowly let it pass through their throat and out their nose over the mouth and nasal mucus membranes. The mucus membranes are only able to grab whatever vapor is touching them so slowly passing the vapor over them through your nasal cavity/throat is a good idea to an extent.

The lungs do absorb vapor just slower than the mucus membranes and they continue to do so until the majority of vapor is gone. That is why we are able to "ghost" a hit by holding it in.

 

[thevaf]

inhaling butane is relatively harmless and non-toxic

But I'm putting it on a red hot nail, so wouldn't any butane burnout then? I've gotten crappy wax that sizzled and popped, and I have heard that was a sign of it being under purged. But it seemed to me that the sizzel was the butane being released? But I really don't know, I've been waiting to know more. So if the ssizzel releases it then I inhale all at the same time huh?

I am pretty sure I saw this discussed in another thread and the fact is butane itself is an inert gas and non-toxic. It only becomes toxic when it replaces all the oxygen in your lungs. I believe OF pointed this out in that discussion.

"
SECTION V - HEALTH HAZARD DATA
Personal Protective Procedures:
None required under normal use.
Health Hazards:
Inhalation: 1% vapor concentration may produce anesthetic effects. Non-toxic, but
may displace oxygen causing asphyxiation."
Link

Edit: FACTS