Single Hit/Full Extraction Vaporizers

[mitchgo61]

An elbow pack in either version of the V Tower can do this.....lung capacity pending, of course.

The Mighty also, but you need to use a small amount. It provides something close to 100% extraction, though getting it down to "one hit" requires some finesse. (At highest temps it'll extract everything from .15 gs in six or seven huge hits.)

 

[jojo monkey]

"Is draw restriction acceptable if full extraction or large effects from small loads can be achieved?"

I don't think it is. Terpenes are volatile and give the subjective effects. I get more subjective effects with fast hits.

A fast 5 second hit is more flavorful than a slow 10+ second one in my vape. The longer I heating herb, the less I am getting out of it. The longer vapor is floating about, the less I get out of it. IMO there are floral notes that are missed with long/slow hits. A vape has to have enough thermal mass for a fast draw though. Smaller vapes would be overwhelmed by a fast hit, so you have to go slow to get a dense hit, but you are cooking off and losing the terpenes along the way.

IMO one hit and quit has more to do with getting terpenes into your face rather than making clouds.

A vape can be a good cloud makers and still be a poor terpene extractor.

@mitchgo61 The mighty cooks herb if you don't use it?

 

[Tweak]

I agree with everything jojo monkey stated ^^^^. I prefer fast but thick hits. I've found that log vapes aren't powerful enough/too restrictive for me.

A vape has to have enough thermal mass for a fast draw though.

I believe this is the magic of the Sub. The thermal mass far exceeds the puny load that is placed inside. Would love to give your Lab Glass vape a try. If I wasn't so lazy/broke, I'd attempt to build one.

 

[stickstones]

I would think any convection vape could be a one hitter if a small enough load was put in it. The only reason the Evo takes me several hits to finish it off is because I put a good amount in there. Also, a convection vape that introduces some conduction will help, like the Crafty/Mighty vapes. If I put enough in the Sub, I can take two or three hits off a bowl. The conduction helps the Sub to get that one hitter feel, but you're not getting it all. There is a 'more than normal' amount of vapor honey that gets created and trapped in the down stem. The one-hit-bowl is also dependent on the user's draw and lung capacity.

 

[4tokin]

Sorry for the back to back post, but have a completely different sub-topic for this discussion....

For the above listed vapes, how much draw restriction during your single hit total extraction sessions?

Is draw restriction acceptable if full extraction or large effects from small loads can be achieved?

My preference is for free flowing when vaping at the upper temps. I find long drawn out hot restricted hits (solo on 7) dries my mouth out.

One of the things I find with loads that dont fully cover the screen is that the heated air will try and pass around the herb rather than through leaving you with hot spots in your load requiring a stir. I have often wondered about reducing the diameter of the air path to allow for a uniform consistency of the herb on the screen by removing the air gap in the herb on the screen so the air is forced through the herb instead of around it. dont know if it makes sense at all I might need to reread later.

I think that is why log users are able to consume ridiculously small amounts of herb.

 

[1_gr8_underdog]

The Triihouse Daisy and Lily are very capible of that.

 

[DDave]

The Triihouse Daisy and Lily are very capible of that.

Added to research/reading list.... thanks!

 

[mitchgo61]

@mitchgo61 The mighty cooks herb if you don't use it?

Not enough to speak of. There's a teeny bit of conduction that helps prime the hits but it doesn't seem to consume weed....and given the one minute shut-off timer it never gets a chance to.

 

[Madcap79]

My preference is for free flowing when vaping at the upper temps. I find long drawn out hot restricted hits (solo on 7) dries my mouth out.

One of the things I find with loads that dont fully cover the screen is that the heated air will try and pass around the herb rather than through leaving you with hot spots in your load requiring a stir. I have often wondered about reducing the diameter of the air path to allow for a uniform consistency of the herb on the screen by removing the air gap in the herb on the screen so the air is forced through the herb instead of around it. dont know if it makes sense at all I might need to reread later.

I think that is why log users are able to consume ridiculously small amounts of herb.

One of the reasons I rigged up my own bowl for the Infinity with an ELB cap, a F/F adapter and a M/M adapter.

 

[nosmoking]

The Triihouse Daisy and Lily are very capible of that.

Daisy for sure! It's been talked about a lot in the thread how you can just barely cover the screen for a quick one hitter.

Lately, my tolerance and flower quality have been less compatible with each other. It seems my tolerance was building up due to an influx of some very great strains. All of a sudden my flower quality (THC level) has decreased greatly. Basically this means I need to extract the THC quicker in order to get the same or even close to the same effect I would get before.

This is where the Daisy really delivers. I can pack the Daisy heating chamber full (to the first line) of the flower I currently have, which is probably close to 1/4 gram. With the right torch (Bernzomatic from Lowes) and the right size flame (set to lowest) and the right distance (1-1/4" approx. from outer flame) and a huge 10-15 second pull I can completely and pretty evenly extract the 1/4 gram without combustion. A few of these type of hits and I'm fully medicated rather than spreading it out into 3 sessions of 5-6 hits which is what I could get off this flower if I used a smaller flame and changed up my draw style a little.

 

[h3rbalist]

If 'in the mood' I can rinse any amount I put in my Daisy in one long draw.


I usually cough my nuts up though for being so greedy.

 

[Seek]

My Cloud EVO can easily extract totally everything in one amazing hit if the user's lungs are not really small or the temp too low.
I could also get about 95% extraction in one loooong hit for my Solo, but that takes a really long draw and that's not as easy and comfortable with the restriction Solo is having. But it's not impossible, I succeeded in getting nothing significant on the second draw out of it.

 

[stickstones]

My preference is for free flowing when vaping at the upper temps. I find long drawn out hot restricted hits (solo on 7) dries my mouth out.

One of the things I find with loads that dont fully cover the screen is that the heated air will try and pass around the herb rather than through leaving you with hot spots in your load requiring a stir. I have often wondered about reducing the diameter of the air path to allow for a uniform consistency of the herb on the screen by removing the air gap in the herb on the screen so the air is forced through the herb instead of around it. dont know if it makes sense at all I might need to reread later.

I think that is why log users are able to consume ridiculously small amounts of herb.

This is how I think about it as well. I've used really small amounts in Herbie before, and when I do I can cache the load in pretty much one hit. I know it's cached because I won't get any more vapor. But the hit is more airy and not as thick because there is plenty of ambient air coming in with it. So while the hit is not as thick, the effect is.