Im sorry I fail to see what there is to be proud about?
Acknowledgement? Wow
How about prosecution for war crimes?
and nothing less?
what a joke.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Howard and Blair are war criminals.
For the last hundred years the west and in particular the USA has presented itself as the guardian of truth, honor & democracy.
My own govt condoned this treatment & let one of our own citizens to be subjected to it.
where the fuck is the honor in torture?
and carried out in whose name? mine? yours?
Freedoms?
People wonder why they wanna cut our fucking heads off?
they hate us because we are free. WTF?
Nothing to do with fucking about in other countries business for decades on end?
Nothing to do with killing with impunity via drone from afar?
Torture at abu Grahib? Torture at gitmo?
Land of the free and home of the brave?
Really?
Where is the disgust?
I am shocked at the lack of outrage,
All I see is hypocrisy,
Our society will condone anything as long as it suits the meme of the day,
Just make sure you are on the right side when you do it tho,
Where is our conscience?
and did we really have one in the 1st place?
I would have thought such a subject being discussed on FC would elicit better responses than 'mixed feelings' , 'proud' & anecdotes about 'fear'
The western world should be ashamed of itself.
God knows I am.
Just so we know what sort of things that have been carried out in the name of democracy & freedom.
November 2002 death from hypothermia of a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to a concrete floor at a secret CIA prison.
Some were deprived of sleep for up to 180 hours, at times with their hands shackled above their heads, and subjected to "rectal feeding" or "rectal hydration" without any documented medical need.
during one of the 83 occasions on which he was subjected to a simulated drowning technique the CIA called "waterboarding", an al-Qaeda detainee known as Abu Zubaydah became "completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth", though he later was revived.
source-http://
www.smh.com.au/world/enhanced-interrogation-torture-techniques-by-cia-were-far-more-brutal-and-ineffective-in-stopping-terrorist-plots-us-senate-report-20141209-123pyc.html
The CIA in the first half of 2003 interrogated four detainees described as having “medical complications in their lower extremities”: two had a broken foot, one had a sprained ankle and one a prosthetic leg.
“The two detainees that each had a broken foot were also subjected to walling, stress positions and cramped confinement, despite the note in their interrogation plans that these specific enhanced interrogation techniques were not requested because of the medical condition of the detainees,” the report says.
One CIA cable released in the report reveals that detainee Majid Khan was administered by enema his “‘lunch tray’ consisting of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts and raisins was ‘pureed and rectally infused’”. One CIA officer’s email was in the report quoted as saying “we used the largest Ewal [sic] tube we had”.
Risks of rectal feeding and rehydration include damage to the rectum and colon, triggering bowels to empty, food rotting inside the recipient’s digestive tract, and an inflamed or prolapsed rectum from carless insertion of the feeding tube. The report found that CIA leadership was notified that rectal exams may have been conducted with “Excessive force”, and that one of the detainees, Mustafa al-Hawsawi, suffered from an anal fissure, chronic hemorrhoids and symptomatic rectal prolapse.
One CIA interrogator at COBALT reported that “‘literally, a detainee could go for days or weeks without anyone looking at him’, and that his team found one detainee who ‘as far as we could determine’, had been chained to a wall in a standing position for 17 days’.’ Some prisoners were said to be like dogs in kennels: “When the doors to their cells were penned, ‘they cowered.’
source-http://
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-torture-report-worst-findings-waterboard-rectal
That doesnt sound like the actions of a moral power now does it?
many of these people have never been charged with a crime, let alone had their day in court.
how can anyone justify indefinite detainment without charge?
let alone torture?
*I realise what I have written WILL entail a response from some of you and Im not going to debate anyone publicly. My intent here is to generate some inner reflection about where we are headed as a society, not to start a verbal punch up.
These are my feelings on the matter as a citizen of so-called 'Coalition of the willing' & as such, I have just as much right to my opinion as anyone else does to oppose it.
These actions and policies have not only put my country at risk, but also placed myself and those I love in danger as a result of revenge attacks.
If anyone has taken offense to what I have written then pls take it up with me via PM.
