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grokit
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CLEAN ENERGY
Audi is making fuel from air and water
Audi has begun production of a synthetic diesel fuel made from water, carbon dioxide, and hydrogen. Unlike fossil fuels, which release additional carbon into the atmosphere, Audi’s “e-diesel,” which is being produced at a plant in Dresden in conjunction with the German alternative energy company Sunfire, has a net-zero carbon footprint because it is made with carbon dioxide taken from the air.
It’s not the first carbon-neutral fuel, but it’s being hailed by the German government, which provided support for the plant, as an important milestone in the movement for cleaner energy.
“If we can make widespread use of CO2 as a raw material, we will make a crucial contribution to climate protection and the efficient use of resources, and put the fundamentals of the ‘green economy’ in place,” Johanna Wanka, Germany’s minister of education and research, said in an Audi news release announcing the production of the initial batch of e-diesel. (The first five liters went into Wanka’s official car, an Audi A8 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro.)
Here’s a diagram released by Audi showing the steps of the fuel production process:
Though the prospect of cars being powered by air and water is exciting, it remains little more than a prospect for now. The Dresden plant will produce a mere 3,000 liters (794 gallons) of the carbon-neutral fuel over the next few months—a tiny drop in a huge ocean.
The challenge for Audi will be ramping up its fuel from a science project to a commercial success. It seems to have ambitions to do so: it has been pursuing carbon-neutral fuels since 2009, and its partnership with Sunfire is just one of several collaborations with energy companies.
http://qz.com/392138/audi-is-making-fuel-from-air-and-water/
Audi is making fuel from air and water
It’s not the first carbon-neutral fuel, but it’s being hailed by the German government, which provided support for the plant, as an important milestone in the movement for cleaner energy.
“If we can make widespread use of CO2 as a raw material, we will make a crucial contribution to climate protection and the efficient use of resources, and put the fundamentals of the ‘green economy’ in place,” Johanna Wanka, Germany’s minister of education and research, said in an Audi news release announcing the production of the initial batch of e-diesel. (The first five liters went into Wanka’s official car, an Audi A8 3.0 TDI clean diesel quattro.)
Here’s a diagram released by Audi showing the steps of the fuel production process:
Though the prospect of cars being powered by air and water is exciting, it remains little more than a prospect for now. The Dresden plant will produce a mere 3,000 liters (794 gallons) of the carbon-neutral fuel over the next few months—a tiny drop in a huge ocean.
The challenge for Audi will be ramping up its fuel from a science project to a commercial success. It seems to have ambitions to do so: it has been pursuing carbon-neutral fuels since 2009, and its partnership with Sunfire is just one of several collaborations with energy companies.
http://qz.com/392138/audi-is-making-fuel-from-air-and-water/
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
The flaw in that plan is the illusion of "ecological power generation". The magnets that make wind turbines work are rare earth, hard and expensive to manufacture, and have a limited life span. Plus no one wants them in their back yard and the wind doesn't blow all the time or on schedule. There is no free lunch.
Also, for people who understand thermodynamics and how molecules like C02 and water vapor absorb photons, vibrate emitting kinetic energy, and then release a lower energy photon the whole notion becomes absurd. Have you ever had a cloud come over head between you and the sun and thought to yourself . . . hmmm . . that cloud is making me warm. Thats exactly what the C02 climate alarmists want you to believe even though C02 and water vapor absorb and emit the same wavelengths of light. 95% of the heat in the atmosphere is held by water vapor. They also want you to believe that 0.012% of the atmosphere has the ability to drive the temperature of 98.988% of the atmosphere, AND 310 million cubic miles of ocean at an average of 40*F, AND 259 billion cubic miles of Earth at an average temp of 2,000*F. If you believe that a cubic mile of carbon aerosolized into nano dust can control the temperature of the Earth then you don't have your head screwed on straight and you definitely don't understand thermodynamics.
Also, for people who understand thermodynamics and how molecules like C02 and water vapor absorb photons, vibrate emitting kinetic energy, and then release a lower energy photon the whole notion becomes absurd. Have you ever had a cloud come over head between you and the sun and thought to yourself . . . hmmm . . that cloud is making me warm. Thats exactly what the C02 climate alarmists want you to believe even though C02 and water vapor absorb and emit the same wavelengths of light. 95% of the heat in the atmosphere is held by water vapor. They also want you to believe that 0.012% of the atmosphere has the ability to drive the temperature of 98.988% of the atmosphere, AND 310 million cubic miles of ocean at an average of 40*F, AND 259 billion cubic miles of Earth at an average temp of 2,000*F. If you believe that a cubic mile of carbon aerosolized into nano dust can control the temperature of the Earth then you don't have your head screwed on straight and you definitely don't understand thermodynamics.
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grokit
well-worn member
Yeah I'm sure the idiots at vw/porshe/audi/etc never considered any of that
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Everyone thinks wind and solar are like "free energy" or something but they aren't. If you look into what it costs to produce a working solar cell, or these wind turbines, their limited life spans, and what you actually get out of them, the math does not work.I'm sure the idiots at the volkswagon group never considered any of that
grokit
well-worn member
Same with electric car batteries, but that doesn't stop the car battery manufacturers from mining lithium, which turns huge areas of (mostly canadadian) wilderness into ecological dead zones. Go tesla!
http://www.treehugger.com/clean-technology/the-path-to-lithium-batteries-friend-or-foe.html
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
While I agree that lithium mining isn't Eco-friendly your analogy falls short since those batteries are not responsible for generating "clean energy to save the Earth" which so many people are putting their hopes in wrongly. Power plants have to charge those batteries and power plants pollute. I think you may be confusing marketing with science. I guarantee you thats why they put that wind turbine on that ad in the first place. Also, the Germans are against nuclear power, however, at night when France has tons of electricity left over, even after cracking hydrogen, the Germans buy that nuclear power from France and use it to warm their hypocritical butts.
grokit
well-worn member
Anything that inches us away from our petroleum dependency is good, because we can't possibly consume our known reserves without choking to death on the co2. And don't get me started about how the petrodollar drives so many wars at the expense of our humanity, the world could certainly do without that bs. Also because we can't possibly consume these petroleum reserves, it has created the mother of all financial bubbles because the entire industry's market valuations are based on them. And oh yeah... co2 emissions drive climate change/global warming/weather extremes, or whatever the kids are calling it these end of days. Its the old repeat the same mistakes hoping for a different outcome routine.
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t-dub
Vapor Sloth
Grokit, human beings inhale 400 parts per million C02 and exhale 40,000 PPM, a hundred fold increase. If you think a mother's warm breath on her baby's face is toxic you are sorely mistaken. No one is going to choke to death on man made C02, the notion is absurd. Its only 0.012% of the atmosphere. Get a grip on reality.
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So a consensus of 97% of all peer reviewed climate scientists are all just wrong t-dub? Wow. What year is it this am??
No offence ment here but I stopped partaking in this mmgw debate 15 years ago when the science was clear then. It is even clearer now...
Willy Soon, you sold out your planet and soul for cash! Money well spent by big oil to cast doubt on the science.
Edit: You come off spouting opinions as fact without any backup of proof. (I will guess the novel, state of fear by mike crichton?)
This statement feels like its from a bully to me. *
#2. What I love about real scientists is they know they make mistakes and when they are confronted with new evidence, they admit they were wrong and adjust their findings accordingly... I'm out..
No offence ment here but I stopped partaking in this mmgw debate 15 years ago when the science was clear then. It is even clearer now...
Willy Soon, you sold out your planet and soul for cash! Money well spent by big oil to cast doubt on the science.
Edit: You come off spouting opinions as fact without any backup of proof. (I will guess the novel, state of fear by mike crichton?)
This statement feels like its from a bully to me. *
#2. What I love about real scientists is they know they make mistakes and when they are confronted with new evidence, they admit they were wrong and adjust their findings accordingly... I'm out..
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If anyone wants to further debate CO2 and/or climate change, please make a new thread to discuss the topic, or take it to PMs.
Thanks.
Big difference!
t-dub
Vapor Sloth
I also stand behind my analysis 1000%. Moving on . . .
The competition heats up: Blue Origin completed on Wednesday its first test flight of its reusable suborbital spacecraft, New Shepard.
After reaching an altitude of 307,000 feet, or 58 miles, the capsule successfully separated from its first stage, what they call the propulsion module, and safely parachuted back to Earth. The first stage, designed to also be recoverable, was not recovered successfully. According to Jeff Bezos’s explanation, they “lost pressure in our hydraulic system” and that they were trying to land it vertically, like SpaceX’s Falcon 9 first stage. Check out this cool video from the flight . . .
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Also in the news, the New Horizons spacecraft, which bears my name encoded on it with several hundred thousand others, is approaching Pluto and is sending back some of the first images. The bottom animation is made up of images taken by NASA's New Horizons spacecraft between April 12 and 18 from a distance of 69 to 64 million miles from Pluto. They capture one complete rotation of Pluto and its moon Charon, which lock eyes and spin around a center point. The below GIF shows Pluto, apparently demonstrating a possible icecap, and its moon Charon. The real excitement will start on Jan. 15, when New Horizons gets close enough to Pluto to start taking measurements. By mid-May, the spacecraft should send home the best images we've ever had of the dwarf planet. To date, the best we have comes from the Hubble -- and even that powerful telescope shows Pluto as a blurred splotch.
Hubble image of Pluto . . .
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New horizons GIF
The competition heats up: Blue Origin completed on Wednesday its first test flight of its reusable suborbital spacecraft, New Shepard.
After reaching an altitude of 307,000 feet, or 58 miles, the capsule successfully separated from its first stage, what they call the propulsion module, and safely parachuted back to Earth. The first stage, designed to also be recoverable, was not recovered successfully. According to Jeff Bezos’s explanation, they “lost pressure in our hydraulic system” and that they were trying to land it vertically, like SpaceX’s Falcon 9 first stage. Check out this cool video from the flight . . .
Also in the news, the New Horizons spacecraft, which bears my name encoded on it with several hundred thousand others, is approaching Pluto and is sending back some of the first images. The bottom animation is made up of images taken by NASA's New Horizons spacecraft between April 12 and 18 from a distance of 69 to 64 million miles from Pluto. They capture one complete rotation of Pluto and its moon Charon, which lock eyes and spin around a center point. The below GIF shows Pluto, apparently demonstrating a possible icecap, and its moon Charon. The real excitement will start on Jan. 15, when New Horizons gets close enough to Pluto to start taking measurements. By mid-May, the spacecraft should send home the best images we've ever had of the dwarf planet. To date, the best we have comes from the Hubble -- and even that powerful telescope shows Pluto as a blurred splotch.
Hubble image of Pluto . . .
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New horizons GIF
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grokit
well-worn member
You never analyzed carbon monoxide, that's why I corrected my mistake.
h3rbalist
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
Nasa’s Messenger mission came to an abrupt end when the probe crashed into Mercury at about 8,750mph and created a new crater on the planet’s surface after 11 years of service.
The planned impact occurred at 3.26pm EDT on Thursday, controllers at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics laboratory confirmed.
Before its demise, the Messenger probe, short for Mercury Surface, Space Environment, Geochemistry and Ranging tweeted a farewell to its followers.
“Well, I guess it's time to say goodbye to all my friends, family, support team. I will be making my final impact very soon.”
pic.twitter.com/NPK4zqtNPM
An image of Mercury taken from Nasa's Messenger space probe
The planned impact occurred at 3.26pm EDT on Thursday, controllers at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics laboratory confirmed.
Before its demise, the Messenger probe, short for Mercury Surface, Space Environment, Geochemistry and Ranging tweeted a farewell to its followers.
“Well, I guess it's time to say goodbye to all my friends, family, support team. I will be making my final impact very soon.”
pic.twitter.com/NPK4zqtNPM
An image of Mercury taken from Nasa's Messenger space probe
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This guy is amazing to me. He is a modern day Da vinci, Tesla, Bell, Franklin, Edison all rolled into one alien.
Now there is this. I'd fuck all my combustion cars for a tesla..
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/tesla-battery-heralds-beginning-end-fossil-fuels
Now there is this. I'd fuck all my combustion cars for a tesla..
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/tesla-battery-heralds-beginning-end-fossil-fuels
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
How does a battery that has to be charged do anything but increase the need for fossil fuels?
I mean where I live your just paying duke energy every time you charge your Tesla so it's still really running off of coal based power regardless of the battery tech as far as I can see.
I mean where I live your just paying duke energy every time you charge your Tesla so it's still really running off of coal based power regardless of the battery tech as far as I can see.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
grokit
well-worn member
Solar panels, windmills, it's called sustainable power generation
For example my citizen ecowatch hasn't needed a battery in over a decade, nor will it ever.
Here's a battery that charges just by movement:
For things like turbines and elevators, we need the kind of power that duke energy can provide. But for less amperage-intensive applications like charging batteries, solar panels and windmills etc. work great
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Solar panels, windmills, it's called sustainable power generation
Yeah it's all just a pipe dream on any large scale IMO and small motion operated battery chargers have been around since the '60s AFAIK, nothing new there.
My 40+ yr old self winding Seiko doesn't even need a battery.