RezBlock /Cranberry Extract

[Nugg]

I used to leave the water in my bongs for a few days at a time but dont now that I use nace.

I find it helps keep the piece cleaner if you hot rinse the piece each night when you done with it.

A little while ago I forgot to empty my fc-ufo before I put it away. I found it a couple week later with some real funky growths in it. The nace definitely promotes the bacteria/mould to grow.

 

[kellya86]

A little while ago I forgot to empty my fc-ufo before I put it away. I found it a couple week later with some real funky growths in it. The nace definitely promotes the bacteria/mould to grow.

I hot rinse after every use, ocd...

When I was a combusting teen, almost 20 years ago, we used to have a communal bong that lived in a bush..
The water was only changed when it became to thick to bubble, we couldn't see the water in this coloured bong..
I dred to think of the bacterial civilisation existing in there...not to mention slugs and other bugs...

Can believe I used to do this...
I'm ashamed of my self...

And now I worry about a bit of reclaim...

 

[ReeferChiefer]

I hot rinse after every use, ocd...

When I was a combusting teen, almost 20 years ago, we used to have a communal bong that lived in a bush..
The water was only changed when it became to thick to bubble, we couldn't see the water in this coloured bong..
I dred to think of the bacterial civilisation existing in there...not to mention slugs and other bugs...

Can believe I used to do this...
I'm ashamed of my self...

And now I worry about a bit of reclaim...

Wow. That almost made me sick thinking about it.... This is why I'm sort of glad I started smoking at age 24. By then I was much more responsible and careful compared to my teenage years.

 

[2 Cycle]

You haven't lived until you pack a nice bowl full of slugs

 

[alittledabwilldoya']

^^^ Whoa, man ... Did you just LICK that toad?!?

 

[UnshavenFish]

When I was a combusting teen, almost 20 years ago, we used to have a communal bong that lived in a bush..
The water was only changed when it became to thick to bubble, we couldn't see the water in this coloured bong..
I dred to think of the bacterial civilisation existing in there...not to mention slugs and other bugs...

Can believe I used to do this...
I'm ashamed of my self...

Been there lived that, the kitkat wrapper as a screen lol

Now I change my water 2-3 times per day, using NACE I just give it a hot water rinse each time then use VWP once every 2-4 weeks for a thorough clean.

 

[2 Cycle]

man this cran extract is the jam. Really works well thanks fellas

 

[Vessel]

Interesting that it's the same exact HT.
My evolver hydratree also has a tiny, stubborn pink stain. It might be some kind of growth.

I've tried multiple concentrated PBW washes, 99% iso, heated-up 99% iso...but nothing has gotten it off.
Been there for a few months now and guess I stopped caring about it.

I also haven't used rezblock in months. Mostly laziness.

When you have a "stain" like this, I would use bleach or oxidize it away. The same thing happened on my graduated cylinder where the stopper goes into the ground glass joint.

Cleaning and stain removal is an art, it takes practice. It depends on where the stain is located because if you can get to it and actually touch it, you can do more. Otherwise, with no mechanical advantage (rubbing) you simply must use chemicals to disassociate the "color" of the material in there so you don't see it. Optimally we would like it to be removed, and some may be, but I will settle for invisible if I have to. So repeated hot flushes, under pressure if you can, followed by chemical rinses that are relevant to the soil being removed. It is possible a mechanical agent like salt/sand might help but I think you have tried that.

Edit: An excellent read on the subject: http://www.ecologiccleansers.com/essentials.php

After using RezBlock I have this same lite pink stain on my shower cap og hydra tube- Right were it is impossible to get to. I rinsed it with the nozzle from the sink with hot water- soaked it in 91%iso - rinsed it again and put the Iso back to soak for longer. I hope this stain goes away, if I have to I will use bleach though that seems quite caustic, potentially harmful and not something I am keen on doing.

I really do blame the rez block though perhaps it has something to do with the glass itself?

I am going to let it soak for a couple days.

Any other advice? I am hesitant to use salt because I've had trouble in the past with accumulating salt stains that were really, really hard to get rid of.

 

[2 Cycle]

Maybe try cleaning with Pbw?

 

[StickyShisha2]

think this stuff any good? http://piecewater.com/

 

[Kief]

think this stuff any good? http://piecewater.com/

Way too expensive, I'd only get 4 bubbler fills for $15, that's about 40 times more expensive than using cranberry extract. No mater how good it works or what the price is... until they tell us what the ingredients are, they can keep it.

 

[2 Cycle]

that reminds me of a joking conversation with my roommate a few months ago. We came up with Weed Water, bong water but seriously BETTER! Somebody already probably thought of that name but too lazy to google. Good times

 

[ReeferChiefer]

Finally got around to testing out the NACL stuff. Here are some results after a week of heavy use, about 3-4 sessions per day. I replaced the water every 2-3 days, that's all.

Here is the worst of it:

This would have made its way into the rig if it weren't for the drop down. In combination with the NACL, drop downs will help keep your glass much much cleaner. It's not a gimmick.

 

[xRUFUSx]

Wondering if anyone has tried "OLIVENATION Pure Cranberry Extract" (or O.N.C.E. lol) for quality and functionality comparisons to NACE and BCCE --- roughly $12 shipped for 8oz is (too great?) a great price

of the few reviews on Amazon:
-one of the 4oz mentions a chemical taste
-one of the 8oz suggests it's lower in concentration than other brands, but tastes great

 

[t-dub]

-one of the 4oz mentions a chemical taste

If you look at the ingredients the first one is alcohol. Don't think I want to inhale that . . .

 

[xRUFUSx]

If you look at the ingredients the first one is alcohol. Don't think I want to inhale that . . .

I don't mean to be argumentative - seriously speaking, is the alcohol content in that enough to be an issue for taste and glass-maintenance when only a few drops are applied to a piece's water? My only reference for comparison is BCCE.

edit: I see NACE and BCCE are alcohol-free... nevermind? idk I was hoping the stuff I linked would be workable, as the price is awesome. I appreciate that inhaling alcohol is never ideal.

 

[t-dub]

is the alcohol content in that enough to be an issue for taste and health when only a few drops are applied to a piece's water?

Ingredients are listed with the one having the largest amount going first then it descends as you go down the list with the ingredient with the least amount being last. With alcohol being the first ingredient that tells me there is a lot in there and it would be enough to effect taste as you noted in your previous post. Health wise, they don't list what type of alcohol it is but I would guess ethyl. Inhaling ethyl alcohol vapors over long periods of time may be unwise as it can cause lung irritation according to the MSDS.

 

[little maggie]

I've tried working my way back through the thread and am just confused. Can someone who is a regular here summarize?
Which products do you put in the water while you're vaping(ie cranberry, rezblock) and which appears to be preferable
Which products are the majority of you finding for cleaning between uses (ie pbw)

Is there a combination of the above that seems most effective?

 

[t-dub]

Can someone who is a regular here summarize?

Sure since I started this thread. I was using Rezblock, very expensive, and by tasting some I realized it was cranberry extract after mistaking it for black cherry. I had just been reading a new study that showed that Proanthocyanidins in the cranberries was what gave them the bio-slipperyness to wash away urinary tract infections. The flavinoids/polyphenols make it so the bad guys can't stick and they get flushed away. Its this same action that prevents resin from sticking to your glass.

That's when I started experimenting with cranberry extract as that is way less expensive than Rezblock. You want to find one with no alcohol and no cranberry juice as that has sugar and is not concentrated.

So I found Botanic's Choice, I can't remember who found the Nature's Answer, but they both do a great job and are way less costly than Rezblock. I think some people remarked that Nature's Answer had less particles in it but either one will work well.

As far as cleaning I started a thread on PBW here. Its what brewers use to clean burnt malt off their brew kettles. It is actually good for the environment as it puts oxygen back into the water when it goes down the drain and helps with hard water problems. It is powerful and works very well. Some people derailed my thread talking about Alconix and other cleaners for laboratory glass. These work well but are expensive and not eco-friendly.

There is a brother to PBW that's called Straight-A, pretty much the same. Both PBW and Straight-A are kinda mixtures of Oxyclean and TSP (trisodium phosphate) substitute. There is an excellent article from the makers of Straight-A and One Step that describes soil formation, chemistry in cleaning, the cleaning pie chart, wetting, deflocculation, suspension, dissolution, emulsification, neutralization, and oxidation. I highly recommend reading it as it was the central document in my research.

So try a little PBW, please use it sparingly, dissolve in warm to hot water, and keep your dwell times short, and try one of the recommended cranberry extracts and I think you will happy with the results.

Edit: Please be aware that PBW and Straight-A technically are not sanitizers, that is what One Step is about.

http://www.ecologiccleansers.com/essentials.php

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/pbw-the-chemistry-of-clean.7854/

 

[t-dub]

@little maggie . . . I just want to add to the ^above^ post to make it a complete thought.

You will find after a period of time that your vaping fluid will be completely used and get ugly. Biological growth can result depending on your cleaning habits and how often they are applied.

This is when I started experimenting with vaping through mediums of different PH. I eventually found that using acid water from my Jupiter Melody water ionizer kept my vaping fluid a lot nicer for longer. I managed to replicate the results using citric acid, a common food preservative, instead of the acid water from the ionizer.

Citric acid, or sour salt, is easily available, and cheap, through your home brew store, canning supply stores, or online. Its the same ingredient that gives the super sour candy its flavor. Start small, this will vary because each glass has is own volume, and increase gradually until you see an improvement in your vaping medium experience. I found mixing a 100 ML batch that about 6-8 drops of extract and 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of sour salt were necessary but every situation will be different. So add a little citric acid to the mix and watch your vaping fluid perform instead of being a liability.

I made a brief PBW cleaning video. This method works extremely well but technically does not include a sanitizer, however the results will cover most usage patterns . . .

Tool design evolution is here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/hydratube-flush-device.7263/

I remember now who found the BC. Be well my friend @Vitolo . . .

 

[1DMF]

hey @little maggie , here is my summary.

I use NACE , it keeps my glassware from having the oil stick to it so much during the sessions, it also helps the PBW clean it easier because the residual oil isn't glued to the glass.

Cranberry extract doesn't stop the oil sticking completely it minimises it. I've had plenty of people also confirm it doesn't affect the taste of the sessions either.

I may try this Alconox next time when my PBW runs out.

Be careful when using PBW as it does create pressure in the glass while the rubber bungs are in each end.

I've had a bung literally pop out while it was sitting on my shelve soaking, and the water spurted everywhere, the ceiling, the walls, everywhere! It made an impressive 'pop' as the rubber bung flew out and I'm at some stage going to have to repaint the walls where it has stripped the paint off

 

[Senor Diesel]

Paid the extra $20 to get it, with the Cloud Evo. Saves me the trouble of buying more iso.

 

[newVaper420]

After using RezBlock I have this same lite pink stain on my shower cap og hydra tube- Right were it is impossible to get to. I rinsed it with the nozzle from the sink with hot water- soaked it in 91%iso - rinsed it again and put the Iso back to soak for longer. I hope this stain goes away, if I have to I will use bleach though that seems quite caustic, potentially harmful and not something I am keen on doing.

I really do blame the rez block though perhaps it has something to do with the glass itself?

I am going to let it soak for a couple days.

Any other advice? I am hesitant to use salt because I've had trouble in the past with accumulating salt stains that were really, really hard to get rid of.

I'm in the same boat. Pink stain on Evolver Hydratree

 

[Maitri]

After using RezBlock I have this same lite pink stain on my shower cap og hydra tube- Right were it is impossible to get to. I rinsed it with the nozzle from the sink with hot water- soaked it in 91%iso - rinsed it again and put the Iso back to soak for longer. I hope this stain goes away, if I have to I will use bleach though that seems quite caustic, potentially harmful and not something I am keen on doing.

I really do blame the rez block though perhaps it has something to do with the glass itself?

I am going to let it soak for a couple days.

Any other advice? I am hesitant to use salt because I've had trouble in the past with accumulating salt stains that were really, really hard to get rid of.

I soak my hardware in a 185° (± .1°) sous vide bath (using a classic Nomiku) with PBW & liquid dish soap for a few hours and everything come out in brand new condition.

I understand you likely do not own a water heater/circulator but I highly recommend pretty much everyone here get one - partly due to its ability to help get everything pretty effortlessly super clean, and partly because it will instantly make you a far better cook.

 

[newVaper420]

I soak my hardware in a 185° (± .1°) sous vide bath (using a classic Nomiku) with PBW & liquid dish soap for a few hours and everything come out in brand new condition.

I understand you likely do not own a water heater/circulator but I highly recommend pretty much everyone here get one - partly due to its ability to help get everything pretty effortlessly super clean, and partly because it will instantly make you a far better cook.

Ok can you explain what I would do? I have an Anova Sous Vide machine.

Put my Hydratube in a ziplock? Get air out? Put water, dish soap and PBW in the ziplock with it? Then rinse thoroughly.