Budz Bunny
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Can anyone tell me the specs of the resistor in the log style vapes? I am interested in experimenting with some different setups, but wanted a starting place.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Resistor in log-style vapes
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Budz Bunny
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Thanks! I like to tinker and what better to tinker with!
Heisenberg
scientific vaporist
what are log style vapes? the purple days?
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
Heisenberg, there are also the Myrtlezap and the Woodeez.
Heisenberg
scientific vaporist
i think it is quite a good idea to build such a vape on your own. i guess it would not be too difficult as long as you have all the equipment and needed components - and the knowledge of course.
a few users have already built a pd pandora kit on their own...
a few users have already built a pd pandora kit on their own...
Budz Bunny
Well-Known Member
I am able to do the calcs to see if batteries would be feasable. Looks like they would be to a certain degree.
Purple-Days
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That's the problem, "they would be to a certain degree".
We can send a man to the moon, but at what cost. Life is full of trade offs.
A car battery works great. But is too heavy to be considered portable.
Batteries that are portable, and inexpensive, such as ten AAs, producing 12V will give you about 90 minutes of use. Ehhh, not so great.
Batteries that are portable with high mA hour ratings are quite expensive. And even then require recharging after extended use.
Combine these battery drawbacks with a 30-45 minute pre-heat time and your "they would be to a certain degree" is right on.
Yes, I was able to do the calculations too. You either need a big battery or an expensive battery. And with butane powered portables like the Iolite and the Vapor Genie, as options for true off grid use... well, you can't recharge batteries in the woods.
We can send a man to the moon, but at what cost. Life is full of trade offs.
A car battery works great. But is too heavy to be considered portable.
Batteries that are portable, and inexpensive, such as ten AAs, producing 12V will give you about 90 minutes of use. Ehhh, not so great.
Batteries that are portable with high mA hour ratings are quite expensive. And even then require recharging after extended use.
Combine these battery drawbacks with a 30-45 minute pre-heat time and your "they would be to a certain degree" is right on.
Yes, I was able to do the calculations too. You either need a big battery or an expensive battery. And with butane powered portables like the Iolite and the Vapor Genie, as options for true off grid use... well, you can't recharge batteries in the woods.
Budz Bunny
Well-Known Member
I was thinking along the lines of RC car batteries. I need to think about it more. Perhaps using a higher voltage for the initial heat up and then switching to 12v. Not sure the resistor can handle it since I think its already putting out > 7W according to my calcs and its rated for 5W. Fun to experiment anyway.
Now, i personally absolutely love the LiFePO4 batteries from A123Systems - favorite of the R/C crowd. But i don't think they add much to this situation. RC batteries are able to deliver extremely high current (for a pocketable size battery), and ultra high current surges -- but you just need a constant, long-term, low amperage flow.
Their other features - don't explode while being charged, fast recharge rate, 10x to 100x lifetime of other rechargables - while being extremely attractive, don't add much to your power needs. A 2200mAh LiFePO4 is the same size as a standard 2200mAh C cell, and 5x the price.
There is a newer nanotechnology Li battery advance (just announced) that should provide 10x the capacity -- in my situation, a one hour runtime battery would add a half-inch to the height of the Bud Toaster, and it could be recharged between tokes if AC is handy.
Their other features - don't explode while being charged, fast recharge rate, 10x to 100x lifetime of other rechargables - while being extremely attractive, don't add much to your power needs. A 2200mAh LiFePO4 is the same size as a standard 2200mAh C cell, and 5x the price.
There is a newer nanotechnology Li battery advance (just announced) that should provide 10x the capacity -- in my situation, a one hour runtime battery would add a half-inch to the height of the Bud Toaster, and it could be recharged between tokes if AC is handy.
Heisenberg
scientific vaporist
unfortunately those types of vapes aren't available in europe. but i like to build one on my own. do you have any d.i.y. instructions?
the name of the resistor has already been mentioned (Ohmite 25J20RE) and is easily available.
what else would i need except for the wooden body?
Heisenberg
the name of the resistor has already been mentioned (Ohmite 25J20RE) and is easily available.
what else would i need except for the wooden body?
Heisenberg
DaProfessor
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I just need to jump in here and profess my love for LiFePO4 batteries. You are right about it being the favorite of most R/C guys. I love my LiFe batteriesHippie Dickie said:
Heisenberg
scientific vaporist
Rick thank you for your answer. well i am aware of the fact that you need a little bit more than a heater and a block of wood. even though it is a simple device, it would be a nice challenge to build it. in fact the picture of the pandora kit made me think about building a log vape at first. but now i need to know the name of the components so that i could order them. and of course an instruction how to build it, because i don't know how the interior looks like. 
Purple-Days
Well-Known Member
No, there isn't much to it. Some metalwork with tools made specifically for stainless that we take care of and some boring with bits that not everybody has. Plus the instructions, videos and captioned pics (LED circuit drawings and tips on request).
Heisenberg, we have sold and continue to sell Pandoras to most of the EU. France has such a lousy postal system (or else , I would almost swear they have it in for the USA...) that we will not ship there. And all internationals outside US and Canada require Express shipping for adequate tracking, so yes they are available in the EU and other parts of the world.
Back on topic... Yes, the RC boys have it down, when to comes to balance between high tech and price. The basic ten AA cell set-up is 12V and small and light enough to be considered portable. The Vapolution battery pack is just a RC battery pack and charger. But 90 minutes just doesn't justify the price IMO (not that they are over-charging). Of course batteries are improving all the time.
VVV Beautiful run. The purchase of mineral rights in under developed countries points to a battery dominated future. we toss incredible tonnage of batteries ionto landfills daily. Sorry folks, I'm not too interested in increasing the battery consumption and strip mining of those deprived areas of the world. Yes I use batteries for my TV remote, no option. But Batteries are starting to reflect there environmental cost at the checkout lane. A good price for AAs was 25 cents a couple of years ago. Now they are up to 1$. Welcome to electron addiction.
Heisenberg, we have sold and continue to sell Pandoras to most of the EU. France has such a lousy postal system (or else , I would almost swear they have it in for the USA...) that we will not ship there. And all internationals outside US and Canada require Express shipping for adequate tracking, so yes they are available in the EU and other parts of the world.
Back on topic... Yes, the RC boys have it down, when to comes to balance between high tech and price. The basic ten AA cell set-up is 12V and small and light enough to be considered portable. The Vapolution battery pack is just a RC battery pack and charger. But 90 minutes just doesn't justify the price IMO (not that they are over-charging). Of course batteries are improving all the time.
VVV Beautiful run. The purchase of mineral rights in under developed countries points to a battery dominated future. we toss incredible tonnage of batteries ionto landfills daily. Sorry folks, I'm not too interested in increasing the battery consumption and strip mining of those deprived areas of the world. Yes I use batteries for my TV remote, no option. But Batteries are starting to reflect there environmental cost at the checkout lane. A good price for AAs was 25 cents a couple of years ago. Now they are up to 1$. Welcome to electron addiction.
DeepFried
A Legend in my Own Mind
Here is the Youtube channel of the World Record holding Killacycle, completely powered by A123 Systems batteries.Hippie Dickie said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/killacycle
Heisenberg
scientific vaporist
Tom thanks for your answer.
the faqs on your website say: Do you ship to my part of the world?
North American sales are through Vapenow.com. We no longer sell worldwide.
Unreliable delivery service and 'lost' packages make it impossible to do international sales.
that is why i thought you don't ship to the EU. how much is the express shipping?
the faqs on your website say: Do you ship to my part of the world?
North American sales are through Vapenow.com. We no longer sell worldwide.
Unreliable delivery service and 'lost' packages make it impossible to do international sales.
that is why i thought you don't ship to the EU. how much is the express shipping?
Purple-Days
Well-Known Member
The assembled PD original is only sold in North America. We sell the PDP to most countries. Things change and my website sometimes has inconsistencies. I wish it was perfect, but it's all done by me, so . . . no way.
one of the beautiful features of the new LiFePO4 batteries is the 10x to 100x lifetime -- this will greatly reduce landfill impact since the batteries will be in service so much longer.
Lithium gives Afghanistan a chance to leave the stone age.
Lithium gives Afghanistan a chance to leave the stone age.
Purple-Days
Well-Known Member
And you all thought we went to war for ??? Yeah, give that man a prize, Oil and Lithium.
Unfortunatly the only Afghans that are going to get the benefits are the top dogs. Funny that the Afghan president's brother is now one of the richest men in the country.
Yeah Lithium will make the people of Afghanistan about as rich as the people of West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky have been made by Coal. Sorry, I'm just a skeptic. Have been since . . .
Unfortunatly the only Afghans that are going to get the benefits are the top dogs. Funny that the Afghan president's brother is now one of the richest men in the country.
Yeah Lithium will make the people of Afghanistan about as rich as the people of West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky have been made by Coal. Sorry, I'm just a skeptic. Have been since . . .
skepticism is healthy ... i see opportunity -- the opportunity is there for a better world. (i thought we went to war because W is an idiot and has daddy issues.)
Purple-Days
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"Is the world's need for a green solution to transport worth the destruction of this unique environment and the ancient way of life that lives on it? "
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...ium-The-battle-3rd-element.html#ixzz0sjkshp97
It's not just the landfills, we will have those anyway, but mining is a very destructive thing. We don't seem to want a sustainable energy plan. We are following the oil example/strategy. Oh and it's awful nice that it's a commodity for sale and controlled by . . .
The little guys will get whacked... see what's happening in Chile, it will happen in Bolivia and Afghanistan. All so we can drive a Tesla or Mitsubishi electric car and feel good.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mos...ium-The-battle-3rd-element.html#ixzz0sjkshp97
It's not just the landfills, we will have those anyway, but mining is a very destructive thing. We don't seem to want a sustainable energy plan. We are following the oil example/strategy. Oh and it's awful nice that it's a commodity for sale and controlled by . . .
The little guys will get whacked... see what's happening in Chile, it will happen in Bolivia and Afghanistan. All so we can drive a Tesla or Mitsubishi electric car and feel good.
yes, that, but also so we can get off petroleum. What is the greatest evil?
i think it all gets down to breaking paradigms ... showing an alternative to how it's usually done is an opportunity for a breakthrough. Plus a global consciousness, as provided by the Internet and YouTube, will spotlight the gross inequalities.
The serfs suffer ... still we sing and dance around in our pitiful subsistence ... and i wonder why i do.
i think it all gets down to breaking paradigms ... showing an alternative to how it's usually done is an opportunity for a breakthrough. Plus a global consciousness, as provided by the Internet and YouTube, will spotlight the gross inequalities.
The serfs suffer ... still we sing and dance around in our pitiful subsistence ... and i wonder why i do.
Happycamper
Sweet Dreams Babycakes
It's also a prime opportunity for people to be taken advantage of....eg bio fuel.
However even 'deniers' want sustainable energy, and no they don't love oil spills. Watch too much Youtube and you may not realise that!
P.s speak to Gore about serfs suffering imo, maybe they have stopped the suicide issue at apple by now?
However even 'deniers' want sustainable energy, and no they don't love oil spills. Watch too much Youtube and you may not realise that!
P.s speak to Gore about serfs suffering imo, maybe they have stopped the suicide issue at apple by now?