reliable vape for concentrates wanted, many puffs and low maintenance

[horst]

Hello FC-Community,

after successful experiments with DIY rosin extract I am looking for a concentrate vape for my needs.
I can already vape my rosin on an oilpad in my Crafty or as a Dab with my Hammer but looking for a more discrete and maintenance free option for public events.

As a low-tolerance herb vaper I may not be the typical oil customer so I may have an exclusive wishful thinking. I am looking for a stealth replacement of 2g buds which I would typically vape in 10-20 sessions with any of my vapes. Concentrated to approx 0.3g of rosin I need a device which fits the whole mass and let me consume this in as much little puffs as possible. Ideally this device is cheaper then 100$ and needs no further attention till the concentrate is used

Been interested in the w9tech products I looked at their smallest Pen, the Vaporizer with KISS Mini, the O-Phos and the Omicron Lite. But they seem to be more made for single sessions and the concentrate needs to be repositioned after a few puffs? The tiny dimensions and cheap price of the vaporizer nearly got me ordering this thing blindly but the shipping doubles the costs so it needs to be worth it.
Also Dr Dabber Ghost Pen came in sight but seems to be outdated?
Dabstar has variable voltage but seems to be pretty unknown around here?
Anything hot and discrete that I didn't see? Never been into ecigs and the whole pen vape options are just to much to comprehend for me.

Also important is the amount of puffs till the 0.3g are finished. It doesn't fit my needs when the whole filling is done in 5 puffs, 100 puffs for the amount is more handable for me.
Maintenace is also a big point, it would be a drama if the pen is still half filled and I couldn't get it to work because I need to open and stir or rearrange something, thing needs to be useable in a nightly sandstorm from start to finish.
Leaks are also critical, but thats always the case I guess. Would be a bummer if I find my concentrate in my pants because the pen was too warm, pulled too hard or held wrong.

So please help me make a good decision close to my needs. Would be awesome if there is an option to load a pen with around 0.3g of concentrate and don't worry anymore until it's finished.

thanks,
horst

 

[DieHard]

Hello FC-Community,

after successful experiments with DIY rosin extract I am looking for a concentrate vape for my needs.
I can already vape my rosin on an oilpad in my Crafty or as a Dab with my Hammer but looking for a more discrete and maintenance free option for public events.

As a low-tolerance herb vaper I may not be the typical oil customer so I may have an exclusive wishful thinking. I am looking for a stealth replacement of 2g buds which I would typically vape in 10-20 sessions with any of my vapes. Concentrated to approx 0.3g of rosin I need a device which fits the whole mass and let me consume this in as much little puffs as possible. Ideally this device is cheaper then 100$ and needs no further attention till the concentrate is used

Been interested in the w9tech products I looked at their smallest Pen, the Vaporizer with KISS Mini, the O-Phos and the Omicron Lite. But they seem to be more made for single sessions and the concentrate needs to be repositioned after a few puffs? The tiny dimensions and cheap price of the vaporizer nearly got me ordering this thing blindly but the shipping doubles the costs so it needs to be worth it.
Also Dr Dabber Ghost Pen came in sight but seems to be outdated?
Dabstar has variable voltage but seems to be pretty unknown around here?
Anything hot and discrete that I didn't see? Never been into ecigs and the whole pen vape options are just to much to comprehend for me.

Also important is the amount of puffs till the 0.3g are finished. It doesn't fit my needs when the whole filling is done in 5 puffs, 100 puffs for the amount is more handable for me.
Maintenace is also a big point, it would be a drama if the pen is still half filled and I couldn't get it to work because I need to open and stir or rearrange something, thing needs to be useable in a nightly sandstorm from start to finish.
Leaks are also critical, but thats always the case I guess. Would be a bummer if I find my concentrate in my pants because the pen was too warm, pulled too hard or held wrong.

So please help me make a good decision close to my needs. Would be awesome if there is an option to load a pen with around 0.3g of concentrate and don't worry anymore until it's finished.

thanks,
horst

Wow! That's a tall order. W9 Tech is the right place to be looking, although it may be difficult to tick all of your boxes with one device. Their EO carts are dated but are the only thing that I know of that will squeeze that many puffs out of such a small amount. @THC SCIENTIFIC

 

[VapourHaze]

Vapman ... not sure if it will hold that much .. maybe @Enchantre can help?

 

[horst]

I've read the manual for the kiss cartridge, it should be loaded with 0.1 - 0.3 of concentrate which seems to be ideal, but why is everyone talking about it being a one session type? does it mean that firing up that 0.1 - 0.3 of oil is used in a very few puffs? that would definitly stretch my limits way too far, don't want to risk to skyrocket my tolerance.
If 0.3 is too much for a single cartridge I wouldn't mind to split it up on two cartridges, but this is only viewable if they seal properly on their own when filled and not on the pen.

Another Idea would be the e-juice method discribed in the concentrates forum, mixing it with liquid. As the normal e-cig liquid tanks seem to last 200 puffs it should be manageable. But I am not a fan of the glycol/glycerin taste and vapor so a pure vaping sensation is clearly prefered.

 

[horst]

Vapman ... not sure if it will hold that much .. maybe @Enchantre can help?

Requires external tools such as a butane lighter and is far too bulky. Already got a Crafty to fill this sized vape slot

 

[VapourHaze]

Requires external tools such as a butane lighter and is far too bulky. Already got a Crafty to fill this sized vape slot

Fair enough .. vapman weighs only 20 grams and is a beast w concentrate and the basic is cheap... Definitely worth considering?

 

[StickyShisha2]

i have used many (many) w9tech EO carts, before switching to the Herc.
i don't think that "rosin tech" oil is pure enough to run well in them.
it may clog the feed, the way regular full melt does.

 

[Melting Pot]

It's not in price range but , Herc is the way to go.
Completely serviceable, holds a lot,awesome flavors, huge clouds, or small hits with button control it's up to u...
Every part is replaceable, and can be cleaned, medical grade material's.
You get what u pay for.
I have some mico g's can't give em away....
Get a herc and be done with it. IMO
@horst love the avatar
Once u get into w9 gear u can check out a variety of carts.
Globes,kiss,alpha,herc,Eo carts
3.7volts 7.4 volts its a deep rabbit whole. Lol

 

[StickyShisha2]

It's not in price range but , Herc is the way to go.
Completely serviceable, holds a lot,awesome flavors, huge clouds, or small hits with button control it's up to u...
Every part is replaceable, and can be cleaned, medical grade material's.
You get what u pay for.
I have some mico g's can't give em away....
Get a herc and be done with it. IMO
@horst love the avatar
Once u get into w9 gear u can check out a variety of carts.
Globes,kiss,alpha,herc,Eo carts
3.7volts 7.4 volts its a deep rabbit whole. Lol

my opinion is that the Herc is the best battery powered oil vape that i have tried, but it may not be right for @horst

i know my oil use steadily increased with the ease of use of the Herc. Yes, you can take smaller hits, but its so smooth, i often take a bit more than i needed. leading to higher tolerance.

i'm waiting to hear some user feedback and perhaps a video of the new cart that W9 has coming out.

 

[horst]

Thanks for the replies, seems that the perfect device for my needs just doesn't exist yet.

the herc and it's functions are mindblowing, it is really a whole new dimension. sadly it's way to expensive for someone like me, just fooling around with selfmade concentrates for the first time.

I will force myself to hold on a little more until I stumble upon someone with oil pen gear to try it out and see/feel it in the wild before starting expensive experiments with import gears I maybe have no need for.

It's easy to accept for me and no problem at all. As a recreational herb vaper with a low flower per month amount I am already more than versatile and happy with my gear thanks to this awesome community!

The Crafty is my current stealth device and never let me down, but for 3 days festivals with no power supply and in dirty and hot places I would worry too much about it, and every security check would led to paranoia if they find it and what would happen next.

So for this type of situations I will try the eJuice Method with my rosin first. Experimenting with liquids and cartomizers designed for eCigs may not be optimal and it's a little sad to sacrifice the awesome flavour of the rosin, but it would be a huge boost in discretion, nearly undetectable I guess.
Also I hear @StickyShisha advice about the impurity of rosin. This way it's also avoided because it is mixed in higher ratio liquid, needs to last only one filling and carts are instantly available everywhere.

But feel free to recommend other gear if something comes to mind, will always look out for my next vape to extend my collection.

Thanks a lot!

 

[Neicey76]

Thanks for the replies, seems that the perfect device for my needs just doesn't exist yet.

the herc and it's functions are mindblowing, it is really a whole new dimension. sadly it's way to expensive for someone like me, just fooling around with selfmade concentrates for the first time.

I will force myself to hold on a little more until I stumble upon someone with oil pen gear to try it out and see/feel it in the wild before starting expensive experiments with import gears I maybe have no need for.

It's easy to accept for me and no problem at all. As a recreational herb vaper with a low flower per month amount I am already more than versatile and happy with my gear thanks to this awesome community!

The Crafty is my current stealth device and never let me down, but for 3 days festivals with no power supply and in dirty and hot places I would worry too much about it, and every security check would led to paranoia if they find it and what would happen next.

So for this type of situations I will try the eJuice Method with my rosin first. Experimenting with liquids and cartomizers designed for eCigs may not be optimal and it's a little sad to sacrifice the awesome flavour of the rosin, but it would be a huge boost in discretion, nearly undetectable I guess.
Also I hear @StickyShisha advice about the impurity of rosin. This way it's also avoided because it is mixed in higher ratio liquid, needs to last only one filling and carts are instantly available everywhere.

But feel free to recommend other gear if something comes to mind, will always look out for my next vape to extend my collection.

Thanks a lot![

I'm not sure my friend. And it may be a shot in the dark but myself and a few friends of mine have been really lucky with a newer company KindMD Vapes ... (This is not me pushing them fully yet...... I need to see more ). N I'll update here after the new items are released since I'm going to try one right away ...
But On positive side I have been ordering custom items from them for over a year . They or he (not sure) have been accommodating researched and even tried things just for me . It seems he is mAking a product that has the option to swap out many different types of heat sources. But I'm not sure at all yet about sizes or anything like that. But I do think it seems like it could be a little less discrete than you are looking for
But maybe contact him and see if he has suggestion his name is @invisiblefriend
Best of luck and if I see anything or hear anything I'll let you know. I know locally they using the small discreet types they all over but I'm not sure it will work well with resin stuff. ( but sorry I don't know about that either. Just a guess lol). I hope you find what you need cheers

 

[StickyShisha2]

just because i think the rosin would clog the original omicron carts, doesn't mean you need to thin it out in E-cig juice. Any of the many "exposed electric coil" vape pens will work fine. w9tech uses titanium wire in their newer Kiss carts, but even my local cigar/cigarette store sells globe carts that work most e-cig batteries. (vape ape)

but if you do want to go with an e-cig type tank for festivals, check out E.J.-mix.
it somehow helps the concentrate to stay mixed with the PG/VG of the ecig juice.
also, keep it zero nicotine. I think the call it an E-hooka when its no nicotine.

 

[horst]

@StickyShisha Ok, but main reason for the juice idea was to stretch the puffs. I just like the idea to stretch a low dose session to approx 10 puffs, this allows me to adjust my high very fine.

Will try to get a hand on the EJmix.

 

[grokit]

If you're looking for portable, have you considered the maud dib concentrate box?
It's by the magic flight guys and it's not a pen.

 

[paytonpenn]

How many hits do you get from convection oil usage. Or sessions if you have tried loading huge amounts already. I actually like the Firewood for convection oils on the go but you've already got a Crafty.

Is the Crafty not discreet enough or too much maintenance?

 

[GuyLeDuche]

Maybe a bit of a premium added to the cost for whole kit, but this and a ego battery will get you vaping:

http://shopping.majicvapors.com/products/majic-kit-pro

 

[max]

Also important is the amount of puffs till the 0.3g are finished.

Vape model X plus exact amount of material still doesn't = an exact number of hits, because hit size varies with each person.

 

[horst]

If you're looking for portable, have you considered the maud dib concentrate box?
It's by the magic flight guys and it's not a pen.

Awesome, really love the stuff from magic flight, still use my mflb very frequent. The maud dib sounds great to me, on the product page it says one battery would last about 50 puffs which is near perfect since the design allows very tiny puffs also. I already got practice with handling my mflb discrete so I see no problem about this. But how much stuff can be loaded in the tray at once and is it save to take a filled box in my bare pockets without having to worry that it liqifies and is messing up the box? The manual seems to advice only tiny amounts but doesn't goes into details on this.

How many hits do you get from convection oil usage. Or sessions if you have tried loading huge amounts already. I actually like the Firewood for convection oils on the go but you've already got a Crafty.

Is the Crafty not discreet enough or too much maintenance?

I love the discretion of using the crafty, it is near perfection, sadly its size isn't.
I fear to bring it to festivals since it is a very pricy vape which would hurt my wallet far too much if I have to get rid off it when security or police finds it. Festivals in our region always require body and bag inspections when you enter the stage area, which usually is multiple times a day the case. The crafty just makes to much a headache in these situations. A pen vape is easily recognized as an ecig i bet and a MFLB sized vape was succesfull hidden in a pack of marlboros multiple times so these are easier to hide.
Also the small battery is kind of bottleneck when you blaze through amounts that use to last you months on days like these.

Maybe a bit of a premium added to the cost for whole kit, but this and a ego battery will get you vaping:

http://shopping.majicvapors.com/products/majic-kit-pro

Looks great and will be definitly concernd as the tendency grows in the eLiquid direction for the first try, thanks!

Vape model X plus exact amount of material still doesn't = an exact number of hits, because hit size varies with each person.

Of course, but there is an attribute to each vape wether it uses the whole chamber at once (or very few hits) like the hammer or can be stretched near infinity like the MFLB. These one hitters for concentrates are not handable for me, I am looking specific for devices that allow very fine dosage of a maximum amount of material.

 

[horst]

I made a decision and ended up on the dr dabber light pen vaporizer.

I've decided this way because it seems the cheapest available option, 50€ wasn't reachable by any of the other options and although the ghost pen lacks a few of my requirements I have hopes that it gives me a relativly good example of what to expect with vaping concentrates in a pen devicein general. Plus the really tiny size made it the stealthiest of all otions available so I was sold.

I'll try to get a hang of the style now and will stress it on the next festival, when I still like vaping concentrates after that I will take a more detailed look at the w9tech products and maybe go directly in the higher class to make the high shipping costs worth it.

Thanks for your support everyone!

 

[YouShouldTap_Shatter]

Hello FC-Community,

after successful experiments with DIY rosin extract I am looking for a concentrate vape for my needs.
I can already vape my rosin on an oilpad in my Crafty or as a Dab with my Hammer but looking for a more discrete and maintenance free option for public events.

As a low-tolerance herb vaper I may not be the typical oil customer so I may have an exclusive wishful thinking. I am looking for a stealth replacement of 2g buds which I would typically vape in 10-20 sessions with any of my vapes. Concentrated to approx 0.3g of rosin I need a device which fits the whole mass and let me consume this in as much little puffs as possible. Ideally this device is cheaper then 100$ and needs no further attention till the concentrate is used

Been interested in the w9tech products I looked at their smallest Pen, the Vaporizer with KISS Mini, the O-Phos and the Omicron Lite. But they seem to be more made for single sessions and the concentrate needs to be repositioned after a few puffs? The tiny dimensions and cheap price of the vaporizer nearly got me ordering this thing blindly but the shipping doubles the costs so it needs to be worth it.
Also Dr Dabber Ghost Pen came in sight but seems to be outdated?
Dabstar has variable voltage but seems to be pretty unknown around here?
Anything hot and discrete that I didn't see? Never been into ecigs and the whole pen vape options are just to much to comprehend for me.

Also important is the amount of puffs till the 0.3g are finished. It doesn't fit my needs when the whole filling is done in 5 puffs, 100 puffs for the amount is more handable for me.
Maintenace is also a big point, it would be a drama if the pen is still half filled and I couldn't get it to work because I need to open and stir or rearrange something, thing needs to be useable in a nightly sandstorm from start to finish.
Leaks are also critical, but thats always the case I guess. Would be a bummer if I find my concentrate in my pants because the pen was too warm, pulled too hard or held wrong.

So please help me make a good decision close to my needs. Would be awesome if there is an option to load a pen with around 0.3g of concentrate and don't worry anymore until it's finished.

thanks,
horst

Hercules SR-71 cartridge. I run it on an SMY GOD 180 watt box. It's perhaps more power than needed. I've never put it past 60 watts. There is no maintainance; the SR-71 is much easier to handle than the coil-on-ceramic motif. The setup will gently vaporize or incinerate anything one puts in the chamber.

 

[ragnorokk]

I made a decision and ended up on the dr dabber light pen vaporizer.

I've decided this way because it seems the cheapest available option, 50€ wasn't reachable by any of the other options and although the ghost pen lacks a few of my requirements I have hopes that it gives me a relativly good example of what to expect with vaping concentrates in a pen devicein general. Plus the really tiny size made it the stealthiest of all otions available so I was sold.

I'll try to get a hang of the style now and will stress it on the next festival, when I still like vaping concentrates after that I will take a more detailed look at the w9tech products and maybe go directly in the higher class to make the high shipping costs worth it.

Thanks for your support everyone!

I went this way originally, though the light hadn't been released yet, so I got the ghost. my dr dabber ended up driving me insane, but I'd say it will give you an idea of what 3 year old pen tech is like. The problem with LayG carts of most types is that they claim a maximum of 0.3, but if you load that much, you just splatter it all over the place. Most load as you go carts are really best done 1-2 hits at a time, for efficiency. Since layg systems are intended for stealth, you'd expect there to be a good solution for loading a big payload and squeezing the most out of it, but I haven't found it

I see people saying the KISS mini can handle a big load, but I am unable to get results that would lead me to recommend it over anything else. I'll try loading a ton in my non-modified kiss Mini and see if maybe it was just the cart that was giving me such whispy hits, or if that's just how KISS mini do.

I think the old sales adage aplies here: you have three qualities that you are looking for in a pen (as did I): you want something low profile, that doesn't need constant fiddling, that is inexpensive. You need to choose your favorite two of those three qualities to come to a decision, as there isn't a device that meets all three.

Hercules can hold a significant amount without being fiddled with for an extended time, but you'll need a device to run it (only like $30 right now for an older model). It's still relatively inexpensive due to the insanely cheap base unit, but you aren't sneaking that in anywhere as an e-cig.

Dr dabber is very portable, but requires constant fiddling, is incredibly delicate, and the fiberglass wick will burn. The first few hits you take with it are amazing, though, so enjoy those. The dr dabber works best when you prime the coil with a hit (melt it into the coil/wick) and then load another hit on that -- each hit should be the size of a small grain of rice. Hope your rosin tastes good!

 

[paytonpenn]

I went this way originally. my dr dabber ended up driving me insane, but I'd say it will give you an idea of what 3 year old pen tech is like. The problem with LayG carts of most types is that they claim a maximum of 0.3, but if you load that much, you just splatter it all over the place. Most load as you go carts are really best done 1-2 hits at a time, for efficiency. Since layg systems are intended for stealth, you'd expect there to be a good solution for loading a big payload and squeezing the most out of it, but I haven't found it

I see people saying the KISS mini can handle a big load, but I am unable to get results that would lead me to recommend it over anything else. I'll try loading a ton in my non-modified kiss Mini and see if maybe it was just the cart that was giving me such whispy hits, or if that's just how KISS mini do.

I think the old sales adage aplies here: you have three qualities that you are looking for in a pen (as did I): you want something low profile, that doesn't need constant fiddling, that is inexpensive. You need to choose your favorite two of those three qualities to come to a decision, as there isn't a device that meets all three.

Hercules can hold a significant amount without being fiddled with for an extended time, but you'll need a

Have you used the 11?

I'm also curious as to what you mean by splatter all over the place.

 

[ragnorokk]

I have not used the 11, though I'm interested in the carb on it. Wonder if it's really that helpful. I believe the carts the 11 uses are supposed to be comparable to the white ceramic KISS Ti I am very familiar with. 'S awright, certainly not the pinnacle of oil vaping; black ceramic, for instance, makes a huge difference. It holds more, and tastes better (due to heating slower, and thus avoiding burning, which is what Dr Dabber claims makes their hits taste so great), I guess that's why I like them over the white ceramic wicks.

As for splatter, I'd get a small hit and wonder why there wasn't more, then when I peeked inside, it was all over the inside of the cart. Proper technique is tough when you can't see the vapor.

With, say, a KISS Ti cart, it bubbled up over the skillet, down between the wall and skillet, and would pool in my 601->510 thread converter and cause issues.

With my dr dabber (more like the dabbler than the 11, as far as construction), it would get all over the inside of the cart, and into the wire mesh on the side. It's probably not a big deal, but the wire mesh is there to soak up the epoxy holding the skillet in. I didn't like soaking my dr dabber atomizer in ISO because of the epoxy, and due to paint flecks coming off in my reclaim. Yuck. I don't know enough about epoxy, maybe it's totaly safe to vape, but I feel confident vaping paint is bad.

I still use layg, especially with the newly released alpha Centauri, but the constant loading is a pain, especially since I only want it for use in public. Globes improve your technique, but look pretty... Suspect. So the alpha Centauri which lets me switch between globe and e-cig looking cart is a good compromise, at least until something better comes around.

 

[paytonpenn]

Is EJMix not potent enough?

 

[ragnorokk]

My intent, getting into pens, was to find something for straight wax/shatter. I wanted something to use unadulterated concentrate, because so many different, great products are readily available to me in my area. I don't enjoy the other glycol mixes (VG, PG, and VG/PG mix), even just 0% nicotine eJuice, and the pre-filled glycol based medical cartridges (or the bhang sticks, which are coconut oil based?). Straight co2 oil in a cartridge wasn't ideal either, though it had some minor perks. These solutions left me vaping waaaay too long, and I found them unappetizing. I was punishing myself in a futile attempt to get high. Whether it was really the crappy cartridge atomizers I was using that were to blame or the glycol solutions, that setup just wasn't doing it for me. I wanted a tasty dab that I could carry around and only needed to hit once or twice at most in a sitting. I haven't given ejmix a try, due to my predisposition against glycol products, but maybe I should give it a shot still.

As far as the portable dab I wanted, the Hercules has done me right, as has the new KISS alpha Centauri. Some of the globes/carts before that were acceptable, but these solutions are closer to what I wanted (though still don't combine all my needs in one package).

I'd like to try a firefly coil, to compare to my hercules, but I guess I just like using straight refined product for some reason. The coiled metal oil pad with ceramic rod in the Herc is great, as ceramic heating elements seem to have pretty great taste (like a donut, or the herc's rod) -- I'd love to compare to the FF's glass.