Recommendations for a good desktop vaporizer

[sgvpunk]

Hello everyone, and thanks for all the previous help. Thanks to all the great responses i have recieved from some of my other posts i am the VERY happy owner of the magic-flight Launchbox. It is my first vaporizer and i couldnt be happier. Its great for portable and home use, but now im ready to move up to a unit dedicated for home use. I want something that has some of the same characteristics of the launch box. I want it to be low odor and super efficient. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am not interested in the VOLCANO or other "party/group" style vapes. This will be for personal use, with the occasional friends coming over for a session. Thanks again for the help!

 

[lwien]

For low odor and super efficiency, I'd recommend the Purple Days. Supply hasn't been able to keep up with demand, so it has a fairly long waiting period, so if you are a bit handy and like to build things, check out the Pandora Purple Days kit. I believe that it is only a 2 week wait on those.

The MyrtleZap would be another option, especially being that they have recently redesigned their heat exchanger allowing it to be totally RohS compliant as is the Purple Days above.

 

[momofthegoons]

For personal use and efficiency, the log style vapes seem to get the most votes. I own (in addition to a LB and Hot Box) a MZ and am very happy with it. There's also the WDZ and PD, although Purple Days is not taking orders at this time.

I like having a variety of vapes for different purposes. The LB suits me for many portable/personal needs. I love the art/efficiency/stealth of the log vapes. And I love having a big hitter like the Hot Box (or other whip type vapes) which is better for group situations.

If there is any way you can try out some of the different vapes before buying, it would be great and probably save some bucks. Otherwise, the reviews on this site are enormously helpful, to me at least, and I'm sure they'll steer you in the right direction for your needs. Just do your homework!

 

[claypool]

Iwien, how long before you acknowledge that the Woodeez exists? lol. ive seen many posts where u list the PD and the MZ as the only options for that style of vape....

Sgvpunk, i was in the same boat as you. i did alot of research and purchased a Woodeez and couldn't be happier. the only thing it doesn't do for me is make a good party vape. prob going to get an extreme when i have the extra cash but im in no rush like i was to get a home-use vape. 1-3 people for any of the "log-style" vapes is fine though.

 

[baurman]

Since the MZ updated their heat exchanger to be RohS compliant, what does the PD have over the MZ now? If i recall I think the only thing people complained about with the MZ was that brass was being used, but if they fix this, would the wait list still be worth waiting for in order to get the PD over the MZ or would the MZ be the way to go?

 

[lwien]

Since the MZ updated their heat exchanger to be RohS compliant, what does the PD have over the MZ now? If i recall I think the only thing people complained about with the MZ was that brass was being used, but if they fix this, would the wait list still be worth waiting for in order to get the PD over the MZ or would the MZ be the way to go?

The PD's warranty is 12 times as long although Rick states that he will stand behind his product beyond the warranty expiration. The PD uses a different design on their heat exchanger which is designed to retain heat a bit longer between hits. The MZ, on the other hand is made from Myrtlewood, which a lot of people like better than the woods being offered on the PD. It also comes with an LED that some like better. PD has no LED. And while the MZ is now RohS compliant, it still uses brass that has a lead content, and for some, that may still be an issue. The PD comes with a cleaning bottle and some blow bags. I don't think the MZ does, but the MZ has a nicer looking aromatherapy cup. Hmmmm.........I think I covered what the differences are.

Oh, one more thing. When you purchase a hand made vape such as this, you are also getting involved in the relationship with it's creator. Not everyone is going to like Rick, and not everyone is going to like Tom, so there are differences here as well. Personally, I think they're both great guys.

Tried to be really objective with what the differences are without including any subjective opinions. I think I covered it.

Oh, one more thing. It seems that the MZ's are running a bit cooler than the PD's. While there are some that get koozies for their PD's, it's seems lot more prevalent that people get either koozies or higher voltage adapters to jack up the heat on the MZ's. I'm only getting this info from reading the MZ threads.

Also, there are glass stems that are being made by Clear Dome for the PD's. He's not making them for the MZ's, at least not yet.

Ok, I think that does it.

 

[claypool]

still no acknowledgment of the WDZ.

in my eyes, for someone that is looking at purchasing this style of vape....there really is only two options atm, the WDZ or the MZ. PD isn't even taking orders atm....yet the WDZ hardly gets mentioned at all

i think a thread showing the pros/cons of the WDZ vs MZ vs PD would be VERY helpful for new people here. i may just start one up

 

[sour]

still no acknowledgment of the WDZ.

in my eyes, for someone that is looking at purchasing this style of vape....there really is only two options atm, the WDZ or the MZ. PD isn't even taking orders atm....yet the WDZ hardly gets mentioned at all

i think a thread showing the pros/cons of the WDZ vs MZ vs PD would be VERY helpful for new people here. i may just start one up

I may get flamed for this but I'd probably not mention WDZ in comparisons with PD/MZ/AZ either.

 

[Howie Feltersnatch]

still no acknowledgment of the WDZ.

in my eyes, for someone that is looking at purchasing this style of vape....there really is only two options atm, the WDZ or the MZ. PD isn't even taking orders atm....yet the WDZ hardly gets mentioned at all

i think a thread showing the pros/cons of the WDZ vs MZ vs PD would be VERY helpful for new people here. i may just start one up

I may get flamed for this but I'd probably not mention WDZ in comparisons with PD/MZ/AZ either.

Can't see why you would get flamed. It is a logical comparison since the three are VERY similar in design AND function. They all have their fans and each will have some interesting observations, I believe. Since the MZ has been "re-engineered" to be RoHS compliant new models will be slightly different, but I cannot imagine any change in performance.

 

[tuttle]

I may get flamed for this but I'd probably not mention WDZ in comparisons with PD/MZ/AZ either.

Why? For a pre-assembled stainless steel log style, it is the only game in town right now.

 

[sour]

I may get flamed for this but I'd probably not mention WDZ in comparisons with PD/MZ/AZ either.

Why? For a pre-assembled stainless steel log style, it is the only game in town right now.

When the WDZ was introduced, there was a bit of controversy regarding highendvapes methods. It rubbed some members the wrong way. I waited 16.5 weeks for my PD, why not try to have a little patience while they cut the wait list down? That's just how I feel

 

[steiner666]

I also love my LB, but the tastes from a whip vape are just so much smoother, it's just a way more enjoyable experience for me.

Really, as long as you get anything that uses convection (stream of hot air drawn over herb rather than direct physical heat transfer) you'll be experiencing much smoother and better tasting hits than the LB will ever give, since loads will be much more evenly vaped. The Purple Days style vapes use convection, as do the whip vapes like the silver surfer, da buddha, vapor bros and others, so you really can't go wrong with either style.

The PD-style vapes are supposed to be efficient vapes, and probably are for all i know, but if i take a LB trench-load amount and put it in my SSV, i get just as many hits, only they taste and feel better on the throat. So i can't really say theres any great loss in efficiency, and i really am 100% satisfied with it, (unlike my dbv, because i ended up not liking the ground glass connection).

I personally like to have a variable temp, just something with a knob, and a whip to help cool it down. I think vapes should have the power to combust if you crank them up (not that you should, thatd be stupid), so you can be sure that you're able to get the full range of active ingredients from your herbs. I know the PD vapes are set-temp, and i've seen some ppls abv and it didnt look very well done IMO, and there are some ppl who really need that higher-temp vapor to get the best effect for them. I also think it would be more enjoyable to pass a whip rather than a pd/wdz/mz.

Just read what everyone says here and take it all into consideration and make your decision. I really recommend reading some in-depth reviews and doing some searching on youtube once you get it narrowed down a bit. Try to find videos of people loading and using (and cleaning) the vapes and see which looks most comfortable to use for you.

 

[sgvpunk]

Thanks for everyones suggestions, i will do some more research before i make up my mind.

 

[tokenitup]

I have a Vapor Brothers hands free (older unit, maybe 3-4 years old) box style vaporizer, and I love it!

Do you currently have a bong that you could run it through? After years of using the VB, and even owning a volcano for a year, I have always had issues with the dryness of my throat after use. Didn't matter that it was whip or bag. Recently, I discovered this forum, and the VHW wand for use with Glass on Glass bongs. I've been into the crazy cool glass on glass stuff for a while now, 4-5 years, but for combustion only, so this was neat.

Needless to say, I tried putting my VB wand in the stem of my LUX, and sure enough it worked like a charm. I don't know if it is up to the quality the VHW is, but it is around $70-$100 cheaper, and if you already have a bong you use for combustion, a little ISO (given it is mostly glass), and you can be Bong-vaping it up!

Just thought I'd throw this out there. Someone has pointed to a $45 GonG mini bong, I think it was lwien:
http://www.aqualabtechnologies.com/medical-glassware/hvy-glass/hvy-glass-mini-beaker.html

Vapor Brother's new style hands free (and much cooler than mine) vaporizer:
http://www.vaporwarehouse.com/vaporbrothers-handsfree-vaporizer.html
$165

Last but not least, a picture of my ghetto VHW wanna-be set up:

 

[rbrown13]

Thanks for everyones suggestions, i will do some more research before i make up my mind.

there ya go do some research, this forum is a great place for reviews and peoples general experience with different types of vapes but when it comes right down to it it's what works best for you and your individual needs. I researched my vape for almost two months before I actually bought it I did have the advantage of being able to try several different models that friends own and whatnot I also went back and forth reading all the user reviews I could the problem was I set a spending limit of $300 when I started looking because I wanted to buy something that would be around forever and I was really interested in a Silver Surfer vaporizer until I got to try one and I really didn't like the almost backwards way it's laid out that just didn't work for the confined desk space I was going to keep it in, now my friend who owns the SSV doesn't have this problem because he leaves his out on a coffee table so it works for him and the SSV is an awesome unit but it didn't do what I wanted it to do.


I ended up with the vaporbrothers non-hands free/regular I opted for the regular because I liked the control you have with aiming the heat into the bowl just like the SSV but the SSV does this a little better because the outlet on the heater cover is a smaller hole than that on the VB but the VB heats up quicker and recovers faster between pulls/hits at least thats my experience in side by side sessions with my friend and his SSV. This is all just my two cents do I think that the VB is the best box vape on the market? you bet I do but that doesn't mean you would feel the same way I do I think if you are looking for a discreet desktop vape that works as good as it looks then you owe it to yourself to check out the VaporBrothers unit and go to vaporwarehouse.com I know that sounds like a blatant plug but I have had some of the best customer service I have ever experienced in dealing with a retailer and you can find the VB units other places for the same price but you won't find the level of care these folks put onto what they do.

 

[firespirit]

I've been lurking on these forums for quite a while now but I have something I have to say about this whole PD vs. MZ debate. What else is there to justify waiting until JULY 2010 to spend $180 + however long the wait is before it ships for a PD? OR spending around $300 to buy a used one right now, but since you're buying it used, the warranty is VOIDED. OR just spending $145 to get a MZ shipped Priority Mail right now with no wait. Which in the end, is pretty much almost the exact same. They both are efficient and they both get you as high with the same amount.

The MZ is now RoHS Compliant. The lead content in brass isn't a serious issue until about 3,000*F which is when it's dangerous. The unit is at a set temperature under 400*F. Not even near releasing any harmful lead. This doesn't bother me at all. Look at how many times we've smoked joints or bongs, even 1 time, all the carcinogens, tar, carbon monoxide...that is worse then ever getting lead which releases at 3,000*F in your airway.

"Being in a relationship with its creator" this doesn't matter to me. What matters is does both the PD and the MZ get you as high as each other with the same amount? The answer is yes they do. They're both the most efficient vapes that only load 0.025g... So is the wait worth waiting until JULY just to even get a chance to put your order in for a PD? It just seems like people are wanting to spend a premium for the PD because of all the HYPE HYPE HYPE and that you can't just order a PD right now. Reminds me of how a Volcano is, an expensive vape that does no better than an Extreme or Herbalaire can do for a fraction of the cost.

The PD comes with a cleaning bottle and blow bags, this is just stoner bells & whistles that doesn't make the PD a better unit then the MZ. I can buy this anywhere if I needed them.

Both does what it needs to do. They're efficient. It both only holds 0.025g in the stem tube, both takes 30 minutes to heat up, both are able to be left on 24/7. If both gets you where you want to be, with 0.025g then other than being over-hyped I don't see why I should wait until JULY to put my order in for a PD when I can order the MZ now and have an efficient vape this week.

Just my $0.02 on this whole PD vs. MZ debacle.

 

[lwien]

Firspirit, I broke down the differences between those two vape in a very "objective" post in post#6. You, however, are doing nothing but making this comparison very "subjective", and as such, is doing nothing but fanning the flames for further flame wars on this issue. I just don't see that it serves any positive purpose as these opinions, both positive and negative, have been covered in depth here before.

The ONLY thing that your post above can accomplish is to bring the pro MZ crowd out of the woodwork to support your statements while bringing the pro PD crowd out of the woodwork to counter your opinions above. We've been there...........and done that........many, many, times before, but apparently, being that this is your very first post here, you are not aware of that, even though you say that you've been lurking here for awhile.

I really do urge everyone, be you pro MZ or pro PD not to get sucked into the troll post above, for that is what it truly really is.

 

[sour]

I've been lurking on these forums for quite a while now but I have something I have to say about this whole PD vs. MZ debate. What else is there to justify waiting until JULY 2010 to spend $180 + however long the wait is before it ships for a PD? OR spending around $300 to buy a used one right now, but since you're buying it used, the warranty is VOIDED. OR just spending $145 to get a MZ shipped Priority Mail right now with no wait. Which in the end, is pretty much almost the exact same. They both are efficient and they both get you as high with the same amount.

The MZ is now RoHS Compliant. The lead content in brass isn't a serious issue until about 3,000*F which is when it's dangerous. The unit is at a set temperature under 400*F. Not even near releasing any harmful lead. This doesn't bother me at all. Look at how many times we've smoked joints or bongs, even 1 time, all the carcinogens, tar, carbon monoxide...that is worse then ever getting lead which releases at 3,000*F in your airway.

"Being in a relationship with its creator" this doesn't matter to me. What matters is does both the PD and the MZ get you as high as each other with the same amount? The answer is yes they do. They're both the most efficient vapes that only load 0.025g... So is the wait worth waiting until JULY just to even get a chance to put your order in for a PD? It just seems like people are wanting to spend a premium for the PD because of all the HYPE HYPE HYPE and that you can't just order a PD right now. Reminds me of how a Volcano is, an expensive vape that does no better than an Extreme or Herbalaire can do for a fraction of the cost.

The PD comes with a cleaning bottle and blow bags, this is just stoner bells & whistles that doesn't make the PD a better unit then the MZ. I can buy this anywhere if I needed them.

Both does what it needs to do. They're efficient. It both only holds 0.025g in the stem tube, both takes 30 minutes to heat up, both are able to be left on 24/7. If both gets you where you want to be, with 0.025g then other than being over-hyped I don't see why I should wait until JULY to put my order in for a PD when I can order the MZ now and have an efficient vape this week.

Just my $0.02 on this whole PD vs. MZ debacle.

You should post from your real user name
Your beating a dead horse, some of us are getting tired of hearing about this debate.

 

[firespirit]

Troll post not by a long shot. Just my thoughts on the whole situation. The WHOLE DEBATE, if you will. I'm a consumer just like you and everyone else who reads this forum for accurate information. I'm not one to pass off information that is false.

It's just when I see someone talking about the PD being better than an MZ and then talking about things that doesn't pertain to the vaporizer itself, I have to step in. While in the end, both the PD and MZ does what it does. One isn't "better" than the other. They're practically the same, they both get you as high, with the same amount. Only difference in price is if you buy a PD now for $300 off eBay/Craigslist with No Warranty or $180 but justify waiting until JULY to put in your order for one. Choice is yours.

 

[lwien]

Troll post not by a long shot.

It's just when I see someone talking about the PD being better than an MZ and then talking about things that doesn't pertain to the vaporizer itself, I have to step in.

It is exactly a troll post. No one in this thread had talked about the PD being better than the MZ. No one. In my post, I tried to show the positives of each one while trying not to belittle either one. The only one that is bringing up this crap again is you.

But to reiterate. Both the MZ and the PD are both great vapes. They each have their pros and cons and I listed those above.

Time for you to slink away from where you came...........Coming in using a different user name after being banned is just bad form, to say the least.

Damn, if we're going to get into flame wars over different vapes, how 'bout we pick another two other than the PD and the MZ. That's just old news. How 'bout, HA vs Q, or Cano versus Ion or VaporStar vs Vapeman, or Buddha versus VB...........fuck, anything other than bringing this shit up again.